Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 Dear Dan, Perhaps, you are a decent man. Perhaps, you mistakenly took what is often known as BLANK and sometimes as emptiness, nothingness as some ultimate reality and got STUCK. Over the years of repeating, practice and mouthing it, ...now, you find it too ingrained in you. What is worse that you have become closed, rigid and stern. You assumed what is phenomenon, a state, ...the thoughtlessness as the ultimate reality and now you fight endlessly to protect that delusion. You even opened a forum called TheRoomOfThis, ...fondly called MoreOfShit by our dear friend, PrayBob. You even visit numerous other lists in your way to ‘correct’ people and preaching them how they Need to Die to see what you have SEEN. I have sympathy for you, Dan. You are stuck and you have made investment of time and effort in building and protecting it. Now, you even go to the extent of being completely dishonest, manipulative and contriving just in a seemingly endless effort to prove that ....you and only you know this delusional version of truth. You suddenly find agreement with everybody who opposes your adversary at the moment. You skip inconvenient question, just ignore and move ahead with next one when an assertion of yours countered and seen to be irrelevant and immaterial. If you want I can work to produce a trace-back of your discussion to illustrate this point, ...time permitting. Or, once you are able to gather enough courage, openness and receptivity ...you can do it yourself. Most of your messages deploy a very simple scheme. Just saying ...neti, neti in as many ways as you can create. .. .... ...... Remember Dan, having a fake knowledge is far worse that having no knowledge. When you know you have no knowledge, you are OPEN, you are receptive, and your quest is alive and someday you can find real knowledge. But, taking a fake knowledge as reality closes you and ends the possibility for any knowledge for you. But, the doors are still not completely closed for you. You can just use some very simple tests to come out of your illusions. ...... What is REAL has ...NEVER changed. Whatever has ever HAPPENED is ...just a phenomenon. Whatever comes fresh or goes away, ...is NOT realization. It is just another phenomenon as in ...STILLNESS of Mind, as in Thoughtlessness. Remember what can happen, ...can also un-happen. What is born, ...can die. What is gotten, ...can be lost. What arises, ...can fall! TRUTH is ...NOT ...an Insight! ...... .... .. What requires your ‘presence’ to be ‘known’ ...is NOT you! What can be ‘remembered’ or ‘forgotten’ is NOT that, which ...remembers or forgets! TRUTH is NOT ...a Remembrance. Truth is NOT ...an Event. Truth is NOT ...a happening. TRUTH ...IS. .....and, it requires NO thinking or ...thoughtlessness. .. .... ...... One that plays role ALWAS remains ...SAME. ....just like an actor playing the role of Alexander, Caesar, Brutus, Jesus, Saddam, Hitler remains exactly same in spite of looking totally different form external perspective. In spite of wearing different costumes, mouthing different dialogues ... In spite of all the roles, ...that actor ALWAYS know itself intimately. If confuse nakedness as in ...thoughtlessness as some TRUTH you have identified a totally wrong thing. You have taken a phenomenon as the TRUTH. The TRUTH has NEVER changed throughout and the actor has NEVER forgotten itself. .. TRUTH needs no Dying Out. Truth CANOT die out. ....and, the false never really exists. It gets created as a temporary arrangement and then quickly falls down. ...... You seem too egoist, rigid and closed to be able to really hear, understand or learn from people on this or other forum. You are more likely to come back with one thousand words like: assumption, continuity, survival, protection ...and neti, neti in thousand words, fighting with your teeth and also saying ‘I am not fighting’ at the same time than to really listen, understand and learn. Considering that, ‘teaching’ you might be futile. I would advise you to read some direct words to help you get rid of long-standing delusions. http://www.beezone.com/Ramana/Talks_with_.html You can even request our dear, kind, generous, loving and forgiving friend Eric for an electronic copy. With best wishes, Arvind. PS1: Twice, I asked you, why are you debating. Twice you replied with I am not once even saying that ...from your perspective, it is a poetry. In the next installment, I will ask you: What is ‘wrong’ with debating, Dan? ....and, what is wrong with attacking or ...defending ? PS2: It is not my preferred or desire way to address people directly but as Dan seems to have taken the onus to visit as many lists as possible and ‘correct’ as many people as possible. I think he deserves some individual attention ... Sorry for any inconvenience... with warm regards, ac. Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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