Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Follow your Karma, .........without expecting ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Sanskrit word `Karma', perhaps, has no corresponding word in ...English. It is not just destiny, fate, luck as it is many times translated as ... It is destiny, ... which is just a character, aptitude, knack, natural tendency formed because of body, genes, parents, family, surrounding, society and upbringing ! But, it also has one more very crucial and important attribute ... WISDOM. Karma is not some sort of curse, bondage, slavery or limitation. It is the `wise', ...`willingly chosen', `gladly accepted' course of action chosen according to one's own inherent nature. It is to do what comes most naturally, most effortlessly but it is doing it with ...wisdom. The " whole " decides Everything ! ....but, the Most IMPORTANT thing to remember: You are NOT Out of ...Whole ! You are NOT ...apart from Whole. You are Not something Other than ... the Whole. ....and, being the " whole " yourself, you play one of the most important and FNAL Role of ...deciding, shaping and enacting what the whole has put forward for you ... .. .... ...... A kurushetra ( the battlefield of Krishna ) transforms into ... GITA, ...in the hand of a Krishna ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Follow your Karma, > > ........without expecting ! Following your karma makes as much sense as following your shadow. Nothing...that the illusory self " does " is without expectation. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 .. .... ...... Karma is the flow ... Karma is ...the Freedom ! Karma is ...the Freedom, ...that can come at the level of Form. It is a push, ...it is a flow of energy, ...it is the Movement of whole ... You accept it lovingly, ...you allow it to flow. Your wisdom guides it... ....and, it flows on its own, ...without bothering or binding you. The maximum it requires from you is a touch, a guide, a nudge, ...and, your mere presence, ...consciousness does that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 ...... .... .. What binds you are ...expectations ! To expect means ...strong identification with an `anticipated' ...Beneficiary. It means ...me and ...the other. it means creating and sustaining ...a strong individualized ego. A cycle that repeats and feeds on itself ! .. .... ...... Even to oppose or block the flow, ...the karma requires a Strong individualized ego ...! However, stepping out of it, ...requires none. Watching it pass by, ...requires None. Detachment requires ...None. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 .. .... ...... every `Body' is born into ...a Karma. To have a body, a form is to ...have a Karma. A body, a form has a nature, attribute, a tendency, ...a destiny, ...as well as a beginning and end. A living form requires food, ...living conditions. As long as there is a physical form, there is No escape from it. ....a living form also comes with inherent, built-in, nature, tendencies and wisdom to ...act to fulfill these karma. It requires No special effort ... ....as the flowers blooms, ...the bee comes, ...and the flower becomes the fruit ! As the seed sprouts and grows to become a plant ... ....as a child grows in mother's womb. It doesn't bind. One way, it grows. Other way, ...it dies. Both by just letting its nature flow ...effortlessly ... ...... .... .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > . > ... > ..... > > every `Body' is born into ...a Karma. > > To have a body, a form is to ...have a Karma. > > > A body, a form has a nature, attribute, a tendency, ...a > destiny, ...as well as a beginning and end. > > > A living form requires food, ...living conditions. > > As long as there is a physical form, there is No escape from it. > > ...a living form also comes with inherent, built-in, nature, > tendencies and wisdom to ...act to fulfill these karma. > > It requires No special effort ... > > ...as the flowers blooms, ...the bee comes, ...and the flower becomes > the fruit ! > > As the seed sprouts and grows to become a plant ... > > ...as a child grows in mother's womb. > > > It doesn't bind. > > One way, it grows. > > Other way, ...it dies. > > Both by just letting its nature flow ...effortlessly ... > > ..... > ... > . " There is no karma " Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > every `Body' is born into ...a Karma. > > > > To have a body, a form is to ...have a Karma. > > > > > > A body, a form has a nature, attribute, a tendency, ...a > > destiny, ...as well as a beginning and end. > > > > > > A living form requires food, ...living conditions. > > > > As long as there is a physical form, there is No escape from it. > > > > ...a living form also comes with inherent, built-in, nature, > > tendencies and wisdom to ...act to fulfill these karma. > > > > It requires No special effort ... > > > > ...as the flowers blooms, ...the bee comes, ...and the flower becomes > > the fruit ! > > > > As the seed sprouts and grows to become a plant ... > > > > ...as a child grows in mother's womb. > > > > > > It doesn't bind. > > > > One way, it grows. > > > > Other way, ...it dies. > > > > Both by just letting its nature flow ...effortlessly ... > > > > ..... > > ... > > . > > > " There is no karma " > > > > Ramana Maharshi " There is no Ramana Maharshi. " Yama P.S. Karma is an attempt to use cause and effect to make everything fair and balanced, as Fox News might say. It fails, as all attempts at a total explanation for everything must fail. And thank God for that! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 > " There is no karma " > > > > Ramana Maharshi There is karma Ramana Maharshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > " There is no karma " > > > > > > > > Ramana Maharshi > > There is karma > > Ramana Maharshi " There is no is. " Noisargadatta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 ....but, the expectation binds ... and, the first binding occurs, ... because, ....you can accept, you can flow, you can act ...NOW! but, ...the expectation takes you immediately to ...the Future ! .. .... ...... The second binding occurs, because, ....now, you have to keep repeating, remembering and mentating ... " what was that you had decided to expect from this Moment " . You have to keep repeating and reviving ...the Past. .. .... ...... The expectation binds you firmly with Time ... It takes you out of Now, ....and, binds you firmly with Past and Future ! .. .... ...... Both, imaginary ...and, both Mentally Taxing !@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > ...but, the expectation binds ... > > and, the first binding occurs, ... > > because, > > ...you can accept, you can flow, you can act ...NOW! > > but, ...the expectation takes you immediately to ...the Future ! > > . > ... > ..... > > The second binding occurs, > > because, > > ...now, you have to keep repeating, remembering and > mentating ... " what was that you had decided to expect from this > Moment " . > > You have to keep repeating and reviving ...the Past. > > . > ... > ..... > > The expectation binds you firmly with Time ... > > It takes you out of Now, > > ...and, binds you firmly with Past and Future ! > > . > ... > ..... > Both, imaginary ...and, both Mentally Taxing !@ Why......yes that might all be very true..............if there really was a you. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 >> Why......yes that might all be very true..............if there really was a you. Dear Toombaru, I think, you try to make fun of people's `beliefs' and perhaps, in way, you try to show that `beliefs' are un-real. Tell me O my dear, ...what other that a belief can be ... " one, that you say above " . That too, perhaps, quite STRONG ...as, you repeat it often. Perhaps, BLIND, and quite delusional as even to `deny' that one doesn't exist ...you NEED one to exist to deny its existence! From where did you buy this blatantly BLIND belief, O my dear ! I reply to THIS message, ...O my dear. What other `proof' you might need of the existence of ...a `you' which is Not Toombaru. ....but, to believe that it does NOT exist is ...perhaps, the Belief Beyond Beliefs !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 ...... .... .. The mental conflict, pain comes ...given, as now, in place of naturally flowing in Now, ...you perform the additional imaginary tasks of anticipating the future and ...reliving the past. Conflict, confusion and lack of clarity automatically occurs ...as, you constantly compare the PRESENT Moment with the expectations you had built in the Past !@ Now, you can NOT " really " see the Present Moment for what it is ... .. .... ...... and, the third binding is the creation and constant maintenance of an individualized, separate `self. A continuous story of `me' ... and ...the `other'. ....because, without such a Strong Story, neither you can expect, nor you can complain, resist or demand ... Neither, you can compare " what is " with ... " what it should have been " . It creates a duality, a conflict, ...a SPLIT !@ but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > ..... > > ... > > . > > > > The mental conflict, pain comes ...given, as now, in place of > > naturally flowing in Now, ...you perform the additional imaginary > > tasks of anticipating the future and ...reliving the past. > > > > Conflict, confusion and lack of clarity automatically occurs ...as, > > you constantly compare the PRESENT Moment with the expectations you > > had built in the Past !@ > > > > Now, you can NOT " really " see the Present Moment for what it is ... > > > > . > > ... > > ..... > > > > and, the third binding is the creation and constant maintenance of an > > individualized, separate `self. > > > > A continuous story of `me' ... and ...the `other'. > > > > ...because, without such a Strong Story, neither you can expect, nor > > you can complain, resist or demand ... > > > > Neither, you can compare " what is " with ... " what it should have been " . > > > > It creates a duality, a conflict, ...a SPLIT !@ > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in which a " split " could occur....... Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. .......is tainted with duality....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > ..... > > > ... > > > . > > > > > > The mental conflict, pain comes ...given, as now, in place of > > > naturally flowing in Now, ...you perform the additional imaginary > > > tasks of anticipating the future and ...reliving the past. > > > > > > Conflict, confusion and lack of clarity automatically occurs ...as, > > > you constantly compare the PRESENT Moment with the expectations you > > > had built in the Past !@ > > > > > > Now, you can NOT " really " see the Present Moment for what it is ... > > > > > > . > > > ... > > > ..... > > > > > > and, the third binding is the creation and constant maintenance of an > > > individualized, separate `self. > > > > > > A continuous story of `me' ... and ...the `other'. > > > > > > ...because, without such a Strong Story, neither you can expect, nor > > > you can complain, resist or demand ... > > > > > > Neither, you can compare " what is " with ... " what it should have been " . > > > > > > It creates a duality, a conflict, ...a SPLIT !@ > > > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > > > > > > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in which a " split " could occur....... > > Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. > > > .......is tainted with duality....... > > toombaru I am ....NOT ....You, Toom. and, Ramana is ...Dead! I AM .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > > ..... > > > > ... > > > > . > > > > > > > > The mental conflict, pain comes ...given, as now, in place of > > > > naturally flowing in Now, ...you perform the additional > imaginary > > > > tasks of anticipating the future and ...reliving the past. > > > > > > > > Conflict, confusion and lack of clarity automatically > occurs ...as, > > > > you constantly compare the PRESENT Moment with the expectations > you > > > > had built in the Past !@ > > > > > > > > Now, you can NOT " really " see the Present Moment for what it > is ... > > > > > > > > . > > > > ... > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > and, the third binding is the creation and constant maintenance > of an > > > > individualized, separate `self. > > > > > > > > A continuous story of `me' ... and ...the `other'. > > > > > > > > ...because, without such a Strong Story, neither you can > expect, nor > > > > you can complain, resist or demand ... > > > > > > > > Neither, you can compare " what is " with ... " what it should have > been " . > > > > > > > > It creates a duality, a conflict, ...a SPLIT !@ > > > > > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in which > a " split " could occur....... > > > > Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. > > > > > > .......is tainted with duality....... > > > > toombaru > > I am ....NOT ....You, Toom. > > and, > > Ramana is ...Dead! > > I AM .... That is the very belief......that is causing the problem. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Thanks Adithya ... U R Adithya ... What a Word ?? What a Name ?? adithya_comming [adithya_comming] Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:29 PM Nisargadatta Re: Another thing, Dear Toombaru, Watching your thoughts, ........and, resulting in peace, calmness, stillness ! IS NOT a Belief !@ .. .... ...... ........boiling the water and *SEEING* the Vapor is ...NOT ...a matter of Belief !@ Dear Toombaru, Please spend little time and energy in finding out, when, " who " , " how " , " where " is talking of beliefs before making arbitrary, random comments on ...things, people, posts, messages ... It will help everybody, dear Toombaru. Please, please do that... I know, you might have lot of time ... You might only `using' the lists to pass time, to entertain yourself and to just randomly throw things. But, maybe, just maybe, ...there are some people who are Not doing ...Only that. Please, dear Toombaru, please `try' to ...Read and understand .... in addition to ...just, making comments. With warm regards, ac. ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 [............] > > > > > > > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > > > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in which > > a " split " could occur....... > > > > > > Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. > > > > > > > > > .......is tainted with duality....... > > > > > > toombaru > > > > I am ....NOT ....You, Toom. > > > > and, > > > > Ramana is ...Dead! > > > > I AM .... > > > > > That is the very belief......that is causing the problem. I AM ....is that a belief, dear Toom? > > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > I AM > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? Yes, it is. And a misunderstanding as well. Discover where it has nothing to say to itself about itself, where it is not an it, and no am nor where is involved. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > [............] > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > > > > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in > which > > > a " split " could occur....... > > > > > > > > Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > .......is tainted with duality....... > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I am ....NOT ....You, Toom. > > > > > > and, > > > > > > Ramana is ...Dead! > > > > > > I AM .... > > > > > > > > > > That is the very belief......that is causing the problem. > > I AM > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? Indeed it is....that is our only currency. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > I AM > > > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? > > Yes, it is. NO. It is Not. > > And a misunderstanding as well. NO. > > Discover where it has nothing to say > to itself about itself, where it is > not an it, and no am nor where is involved. I AM ......is THAT. > > -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> > wrote: > > > > [............] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but, the Real Problem is that, this conflict, duality, > > > > > > > division, ...SPLIT is created ...INSIDE You !@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The speculations above......assume the reality of a " you " in > > which > > > > a " split " could occur....... > > > > > > > > > > Everything downstream from that assumption...is delusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......is tainted with duality....... > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I am ....NOT ....You, Toom. > > > > > > > > and, > > > > > > > > Ramana is ...Dead! > > > > > > > > I AM .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the very belief......that is causing the problem. > > > > I AM > > > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? > > > > > Indeed it is....that is our only currency. Who is ... " our " , dear Toom? > > > toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " <adithya_comming> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > I AM > > > > > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? > > > > Yes, it is. > > NO. > > It is Not. > > > > > > And a misunderstanding as well. > > NO. > > > > > Discover where it has nothing to say > > to itself about itself, where it is > > not an it, and no am nor where is involved. > > I AM > > .....is THAT. <Yawn> What is this nonsense, AC? Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Nisargadatta , " josesiem " <josesiem> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " adithya_comming " > > > <adithya_comming> wrote: > > > > > > > I AM > > > > > > > > ...is that a belief, dear Toom? > > > > > > Yes, it is. > > > > NO. > > > > It is Not. > > > > > > > > > > And a misunderstanding as well. > > > > NO. > > > > > > > > Discover where it has nothing to say > > > to itself about itself, where it is > > > not an it, and no am nor where is involved. > > > > I AM > > > > .....is THAT. > > <Yawn> > > What is this nonsense, AC? > > Joe Exactly " what " is Nonsense, Here, Joe. What it should have been? With warm regards, ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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