Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > >Sure, you can try to live your life for an idea. > >But, the end result is the same: you die. > > Why " end-result " ? > > Do you think dead is the result of something? > If so, of what? A body. > Is the dead of a flower the result of its blossoming? > Is the dead of a star the result of its shining? > > Is dead the result of life or is life the result of dead? Life is the result of life. > What if things just are as they are? > And there is absolutely nothing you can do? Then why bother saying it? Do you think that saying " there is absolutely nothing you can do, " isn't doing something? > > Your great idea didn't help you one bit. > > In what way then... should it have helped? > And WHO needs help... > WHO is dying and WHO is dead? You are dying, my friend. Unless you're typing your message without fingers. As for who is dead, why don't you ask that when you're dead? Isn't it enough while alive, to know who is alive? Which is the same thing as to know life, alive. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2004 Report Share Posted December 12, 2004 I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHO DIES AND WHO IS THE UNTOUCHABLE...TRUE, IDEAS COME AND GO BUT DEATH IS NOT PART OF THE NATURE OF THE REAL...IT IS PERMANENT...IT IS FORECVER, HERE AND NOW. dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: Nisargadatta , " Stefan " <s.petersilge@c...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > >Sure, you can try to live your life for an idea. > >But, the end result is the same: you die. > > Why " end-result " ? > > Do you think dead is the result of something? > If so, of what? A body. > Is the dead of a flower the result of its blossoming? > Is the dead of a star the result of its shining? > > Is dead the result of life or is life the result of dead? Life is the result of life. > What if things just are as they are? > And there is absolutely nothing you can do? Then why bother saying it? Do you think that saying " there is absolutely nothing you can do, " isn't doing something? > > Your great idea didn't help you one bit. > > In what way then... should it have helped? > And WHO needs help... > WHO is dying and WHO is dead? You are dying, my friend. Unless you're typing your message without fingers. As for who is dead, why don't you ask that when you're dead? Isn't it enough while alive, to know who is alive? Which is the same thing as to know life, alive. -- Dan ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Nisargadatta , Ernie Forteza <erniefii> wrote: > > I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHO DIES AND WHO IS THE UNTOUCHABLE...TRUE, IDEAS COME AND GO BUT DEATH IS NOT PART OF THE NATURE OF THE REAL...IT IS PERMANENT...IT IS FORECVER, HERE AND NOW. Please stop yelling, being loud doesn't make what you say more right and more important. And no - clearly what you express above is a transitory thought pattern of a transitory brain. The longing for something permanent is a desire of a transitory and limited creature. You form an image of the permanent in your mind, but your mind and its images are changing even as you try to keep that image. Forever is an imaginary concept, that depends on the concepts of time and duration. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Ernie Forteza <erniefii> > wrote: > > > > I BELIEVE THERE IS AN ABSENCE OF CLEAR UNDERSTANDING AS TO WHO DIES > AND WHO IS THE UNTOUCHABLE...TRUE, IDEAS COME AND GO BUT DEATH IS NOT > PART OF THE NATURE OF THE REAL...IT IS PERMANENT...IT IS FORECVER, > HERE AND NOW. > Please stop yelling, being loud doesn't make what you > say more right and more important. Nobody is yelling, Dan. Only your mind is screaming. When your mind stops screaming, the urge to change somebody elses behaviour also goes. > Forever is an imaginary concept, that depends on the concepts > of time and duration. > > -- Dan So is " your being, *this* which isn't touched by changes in forms " . Aleks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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