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When a sage says: 'Nothing really happens. " What does s/he

means? Most people take the statement literally, as meaning:

Complete absence of everything, not a thing to be seen.

Obviously, this is not the case, as long as we're conscious,

perception is happening. Perception can't be denied. The

true nature of perception could be endlessly discussed,

whether it's purely mental, or not. But that's irrelevant,

we can't scape the fact that it's there, pressing for

attention.

 

So what does the sage means by nothing really happens?

 

1)Perceptions lack durability. Whatever you perceive as

happening, is there as long as consciousness is there.

The moment the brain dies life would be as if it never

happened.

 

2)Perception becomes Maya with interpretation. Nothing

really happens as 'you' think. The meaning 'you' inject

in naked perception causes most suffering and delusion.

 

You read something on a list you view as an attack, it

provokes anger and a retaliation. Nothing happened,

except you saw some words in your screen. The attack,

the intention to hurt you, your hurt, your retaliation

was a product of interpretation. Nothing is happening.

You live in an interpreted world of your own creation.

Perception sans commentary is the key to Paradise lost.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> When a sage says: 'Nothing really happens. " What does s/he

> means? Most people take the statement literally, as meaning:

> Complete absence of everything, not a thing to be seen.

> Obviously, this is not the case, as long as we're conscious,

> perception is happening. Perception can't be denied. The

> true nature of perception could be endlessly discussed,

> whether it's purely mental, or not. But that's irrelevant,

> we can't scape the fact that it's there, pressing for

> attention.

>

> So what does the sage means by nothing really happens?

>

> 1)Perceptions lack durability. Whatever you perceive as

> happening, is there as long as consciousness is there.

> The moment the brain dies life would be as if it never

> happened.

>

> 2)Perception becomes Maya with interpretation. Nothing

> really happens as 'you' think. The meaning 'you' inject

> in naked perception causes most suffering and delusion.

>

> You read something on a list you view as an attack, it

> provokes anger and a retaliation. Nothing happened,

> except you saw some words in your screen. The attack,

> the intention to hurt you, your hurt, your retaliation

> was a product of interpretation. Nothing is happening.

> You live in an interpreted world of your own creation.

> Perception sans commentary is the key to Paradise lost.

>

> Pete

 

I guess sages mean something similar to this: There is 'no thing'

happening. The 'no thing' is infinite potential not yet manifested as

form/things. The 'no thing' is noumenal existence, nondual existence

which is the source of everything and is what we fundamentally really

are. Form and things, including thoughts, brain, body, trees, birds,

clouds and cars are not really real 'stuff' but rather a holographic

projection/Matrix/Maya. This does not mean that form and things are

illusions; they are what makes experience possible. But it does mean

a reversal of how we think about existence. Often we thing of the

material universe as the real 'stuff', but with this view the

material universe is a 'virtual' reality. The real juice, the

concrete stuff is the 'no thing' which blasts the display of the

material universe into existence in a from of a gigantic 3D

projection.

 

/AL

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> When a sage says: 'Nothing really happens. " What does s/he

> means? Most people take the statement literally, as meaning:

> Complete absence of everything, not a thing to be seen.

> Obviously, this is not the case, as long as we're conscious,

> perception is happening. Perception can't be denied. The

> true nature of perception could be endlessly discussed,

> whether it's purely mental, or not. But that's irrelevant,

> we can't scape the fact that it's there, pressing for

> attention.

>

> So what does the sage means by nothing really happens?

>

> 1)Perceptions lack durability. Whatever you perceive as

> happening, is there as long as consciousness is there.

> The moment the brain dies life would be as if it never

> happened.

>

> 2)Perception becomes Maya with interpretation. Nothing

> really happens as 'you' think. The meaning 'you' inject

> in naked perception causes most suffering and delusion.

>

> You read something on a list you view as an attack, it

> provokes anger and a retaliation. Nothing happened,

> except you saw some words in your screen. The attack,

> the intention to hurt you, your hurt, your retaliation

> was a product of interpretation. Nothing is happening.

> You live in an interpreted world of your own creation.

> Perception sans commentary is the key to Paradise lost.

>

> Pete

 

 

 

No thing is happening......There exists no.....isolated....autonmous....

" thing " .

 

" Things " do not exist.......to happen........

 

 

Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no thing...........

 

 

 

Nothing is happening.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> >

> > When a sage says: 'Nothing really happens. " What does s/he

> > means? Most people take the statement literally, as meaning:

> > Complete absence of everything, not a thing to be seen.

> > Obviously, this is not the case, as long as we're conscious,

> > perception is happening. Perception can't be denied. The

> > true nature of perception could be endlessly discussed,

> > whether it's purely mental, or not. But that's irrelevant,

> > we can't scape the fact that it's there, pressing for

> > attention.

> >

> > So what does the sage means by nothing really happens?

> >

> > 1)Perceptions lack durability. Whatever you perceive as

> > happening, is there as long as consciousness is there.

> > The moment the brain dies life would be as if it never

> > happened.

> >

> > 2)Perception becomes Maya with interpretation. Nothing

> > really happens as 'you' think. The meaning 'you' inject

> > in naked perception causes most suffering and delusion.

> >

> > You read something on a list you view as an attack, it

> > provokes anger and a retaliation. Nothing happened,

> > except you saw some words in your screen. The attack,

> > the intention to hurt you, your hurt, your retaliation

> > was a product of interpretation. Nothing is happening.

> > You live in an interpreted world of your own creation.

> > Perception sans commentary is the key to Paradise lost.

> >

> > Pete

>

>

>

> No thing is happening......There exists

no.....isolated....autonmous.... " thing " .

>

> " Things " do not exist.......to happen........

>

>

> Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no thing...........

>

>

>

> Nothing is happening.

 

You, and Al have only put your spin on the message. Doing precisely

what it points at not to do. Your interpretation, although not

incorrect, is nevertheless a commentary added to perception.

You always take the 'Absolutist' position, while I take the

pragmatic one. The message is simple: move away from thoughts, rest

in naked perception. Even the most exalted, unifying thought is

already a falsification.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > When a sage says: 'Nothing really happens. " What does s/he

> > > means? Most people take the statement literally, as meaning:

> > > Complete absence of everything, not a thing to be seen.

> > > Obviously, this is not the case, as long as we're conscious,

> > > perception is happening. Perception can't be denied. The

> > > true nature of perception could be endlessly discussed,

> > > whether it's purely mental, or not. But that's irrelevant,

> > > we can't scape the fact that it's there, pressing for

> > > attention.

> > >

> > > So what does the sage means by nothing really happens?

> > >

> > > 1)Perceptions lack durability. Whatever you perceive as

> > > happening, is there as long as consciousness is there.

> > > The moment the brain dies life would be as if it never

> > > happened.

> > >

> > > 2)Perception becomes Maya with interpretation. Nothing

> > > really happens as 'you' think. The meaning 'you' inject

> > > in naked perception causes most suffering and delusion.

> > >

> > > You read something on a list you view as an attack, it

> > > provokes anger and a retaliation. Nothing happened,

> > > except you saw some words in your screen. The attack,

> > > the intention to hurt you, your hurt, your retaliation

> > > was a product of interpretation. Nothing is happening.

> > > You live in an interpreted world of your own creation.

> > > Perception sans commentary is the key to Paradise lost.

> > >

> > > Pete

> >

> >

> >

> > No thing is happening......There exists

> no.....isolated....autonmous.... " thing " .

> >

> > " Things " do not exist.......to happen........

> >

> >

> > Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no thing...........

> >

> >

> >

> > Nothing is happening.

>

> You, and Al have only put your spin on the message. Doing precisely

> what it points at not to do. Your interpretation, although not

> incorrect, is nevertheless a commentary added to perception.

> You always take the 'Absolutist' position, while I take the

> pragmatic one. The message is simple: move away from thoughts, rest

> in naked perception. Even the most exalted, unifying thought is

> already a falsification.

>

> Pete

 

 

 

 

 

 

..........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt from

falsifecation?

 

 

 

toombaru

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> > > No thing is happening......There exists

> > no.....isolated....autonmous.... " thing " .

> > >

> > > " Things " do not exist.......to happen........

> > >

> > >

> > > Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no

thing...........

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nothing is happening.

 

> >

> > You, and Al have only put your spin on the message. Doing

precisely

> > what it points at not to do. Your interpretation, although not

> > incorrect, is nevertheless a commentary added to perception.

> > You always take the 'Absolutist' position, while I take the

> > pragmatic one. The message is simple: move away from thoughts,

rest

> > in naked perception. Even the most exalted, unifying thought is

> > already a falsification.

> >

> > Pete

.........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt

from falsifecation?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

Ouch, Toombaru & Pete!

 

" Falsifecation? " ...... " Defecation? " ....... " False

defecation? " ..... " Naked falsification? " ....It's true, nothing

happens....how about?...... " percefecation " ....naked, of course!

 

:))

 

 

 

Nananananaaaaaana!

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > No thing is happening......There exists

> > no.....isolated....autonmous.... " thing " .

> > >

> > > " Things " do not exist.......to happen........

> > >

> > >

> > > Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no

thing...........

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nothing is happening.

> >

> > You, and Al have only put your spin on the message. Doing

precisely

> > what it points at not to do. Your interpretation, although not

> > incorrect, is nevertheless a commentary added to perception.

> > You always take the 'Absolutist' position, while I take the

> > pragmatic one. The message is simple: move away from thoughts,

rest

> > in naked perception. Even the most exalted, unifying thought is

> > already a falsification.

> >

> > Pete

.........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt

from falsifecation?

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in falsification.

An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

or never heard of gravy.

 

When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked perception "

the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't think.

 

Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

thing....is no thing...........

 

The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

 

It's as simple as that.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > No thing is happening......There exists

> > > no.....isolated....autonmous.... " thing " .

> > > >

> > > > " Things " do not exist.......to happen........

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Every " thing " is one thing......One thing....is no

> thing...........

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nothing is happening.

> > >

> > > You, and Al have only put your spin on the message. Doing

> precisely

> > > what it points at not to do. Your interpretation, although not

> > > incorrect, is nevertheless a commentary added to perception.

> > > You always take the 'Absolutist' position, while I take the

> > > pragmatic one. The message is simple: move away from thoughts,

> rest

> > > in naked perception. Even the most exalted, unifying thought is

> > > already a falsification.

> > >

> > > Pete

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt

> from falsifecation?

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in falsification.

> An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

> So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

> of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

> or never heard of gravy.

>

> When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked perception "

> the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

> admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

> chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

> just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't think.

 

 

This is reminiscent of the Shirley Maclaine school of New Ageism........another

technique....to improve something that appears to itself to be inadequate in

some way ......but can through a series of exercises....improve its self.......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

> thing....is no thing...........

>

> The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

> you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

 

 

 

All philosoohical speculation is non-sense.

 

 

 

 

 

> to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

> a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

> if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

>

> It's as simple as that.

>

> Pete

 

 

 

 

What you seem to be saying that some falsifications are falser then others....

 

It could be said that conceptualization is itself falsification........

 

that anything that emerges from a false assumption (separate self)....is

false....

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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> > > .........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt

> > from falsifecation?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in

falsification.

> > An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

> > So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

> > of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

> > or never heard of gravy.

> >

> > When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked perception "

> > the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

> > admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

> > chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

> > just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't think.

>

>

> T: This is reminiscent of the Shirley Maclaine school of New

Ageism........another technique....to improve something that appears

to itself to be inadequate in some way ......but can through a series

of exercises....improve its self.......

>

> >

> >P: Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

> > thing....is no thing...........> >

> > The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

> > you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

>

>

>

>T: All philosoohical speculation is non-sense.

>

>

>

> >P: to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

> > a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

> > if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

> >

> > It's as simple as that.

> >

> > Pete>

>

>T: What you seem to be saying that some falsifications are falser

then others....

>

> It could be said that conceptualization is itself

falsification........

>

> that anything that emerges from a false assumption (separate

self)....is false....

>

> toombaru

 

P: Ha! And yet, and yet. We must use a false band-aid to heal

the false wound. False pain hurts like hell. I'm sure you

have heard of amputees suffering excruciating phantom pain

in missing limbs.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> > > > .........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow exempt

> > > from falsifecation?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in

> falsification.

> > > An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

> > > So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

> > > of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

> > > or never heard of gravy.

> > >

> > > When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked perception "

> > > the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

> > > admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

> > > chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

> > > just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't think.

> >

> >

> > T: This is reminiscent of the Shirley Maclaine school of New

> Ageism........another technique....to improve something that appears

> to itself to be inadequate in some way ......but can through a series

> of exercises....improve its self.......

> >

> > >

> > >P: Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

> > > thing....is no thing...........> >

> > > The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

> > > you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

> >

> >

> >

> >T: All philosoohical speculation is non-sense.

> >

> >

> >

> > >P: to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

> > > a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

> > > if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

> > >

> > > It's as simple as that.

> > >

> > > Pete>

> >

> >T: What you seem to be saying that some falsifications are falser

> then others....

> >

> > It could be said that conceptualization is itself

> falsification........

> >

> > that anything that emerges from a false assumption (separate

> self)....is false....

> >

> > toombaru

>

> P: Ha! And yet, and yet. We must use a false band-aid to heal

> the false wound. False pain hurts like hell. I'm sure you

> have heard of amputees suffering excruciating phantom pain

> in missing limbs.

 

Pete

 

phantom pain.....is phantom pain.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

wrote:

> >

> > > > > .........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow

exempt

> > > > from falsifecation?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > > P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in

> > falsification.

> > > > An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

> > > > So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

> > > > of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

> > > > or never heard of gravy.

> > > >

> > > > When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked

perception "

> > > > the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

> > > > admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

> > > > chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

> > > > just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't

think.

> > >

> > >

> > > T: This is reminiscent of the Shirley Maclaine school of New

> > Ageism........another technique....to improve something that

appears

> > to itself to be inadequate in some way ......but can through a

series

> > of exercises....improve its self.......

> > >

> > > >

> > > >P: Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

> > > > thing....is no thing...........> >

> > > > The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

> > > > you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >T: All philosoohical speculation is non-sense.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >P: to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

> > > > a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

> > > > if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

> > > >

> > > > It's as simple as that.

> > > >

> > > > Pete>

> > >

> > >T: What you seem to be saying that some falsifications are

falser

> > then others....

> > >

> > > It could be said that conceptualization is itself

> > falsification........

> > >

> > > that anything that emerges from a false assumption (separate

> > self)....is false....

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> > P: Ha! And yet, and yet. We must use a false band-aid to heal

> > the false wound. False pain hurts like hell. I'm sure you

> > have heard of amputees suffering excruciating phantom pain

> > in missing limbs.

>

> Pete

>

> phantom pain.....is phantom pain.

 

 

You are a phantom pain in a phantom ass, Toom. :))

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > > > .........and the concept " naked perception " ...is somehow

> exempt

> > > > > from falsifecation?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > > P: No, it isn't, but there are different degrees in

> > > falsification.

> > > > > An injunction generally is less falsifying than speculation.

> > > > > So if I say to you, " Pass the gravy. " There is no possibility

> > > > > of falsification there, unless you don't understand English,

> > > > > or never heard of gravy.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I say, " move away from thought and rest in naked

> perception "

> > > > > the chances you could misunderstand are greater because the

> > > > > admonition refers to mental processes. Still, there is a good

> > > > > chance you will understand that I simply mean: When looking,

> > > > > just look, don't think; when hearing, just listen, don't

> think.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > T: This is reminiscent of the Shirley Maclaine school of New

> > > Ageism........another technique....to improve something that

> appears

> > > to itself to be inadequate in some way ......but can through a

> series

> > > of exercises....improve its self.......

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >P: Now when you say, > > Every " thing " is one thing......One

> > > > > thing....is no thing...........> >

> > > > > The chances of misunderstanding are almost certain because

> > > > > you are using nonsensical language as a philosophical meta4

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >T: All philosoohical speculation is non-sense.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >P: to point at a mystical intuition. Even, in the case, I had

> > > > > a mystical intuition of unity too. I have no way of knowing

> > > > > if what you ar pointing at, is the same or not.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's as simple as that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete>

> > > >

> > > >T: What you seem to be saying that some falsifications are

> falser

> > > then others....

> > > >

> > > > It could be said that conceptualization is itself

> > > falsification........

> > > >

> > > > that anything that emerges from a false assumption (separate

> > > self)....is false....

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > >

> > > P: Ha! And yet, and yet. We must use a false band-aid to heal

> > > the false wound. False pain hurts like hell. I'm sure you

> > > have heard of amputees suffering excruciating phantom pain

> > > in missing limbs.

> >

> > Pete

> >

> > phantom pain.....is phantom pain.

>

>

> You are a phantom pain in a phantom ass, Toom. :))

 

 

LOL

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