Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Nisargadatta , Kip Almazy <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > Al, > > > > > Everything is now. > > > > > Kip: Prove it! This is an assumption, Al, which can or cannot have > > some didactical or pedagogical value. A hypothesis for me, a thesis > > for you. > > I can only prove what I experience, and I experience only the now. > > > > > The " now " can't be experienced, if " you " are in…so to say. Every word about it is one word too much. You cannot prove what you experience without making an object out of it and, exactly in that moment you are out. " Now " is a concept. You are experiencing a concept, that's all. So, then your words about " the 'now' can't be experienced " is no proof either. ;-) > > > > > > > You can have all thoughts you like, > > > > Kip: Wrong, even physiologically! > > Ok, you can have all the thoughts that you have. :-) > > > > OK! > > > > > > Kip: this is a conclusion based on your thesis. A philosophical > > assumption or not even that. A phantasm based on a conclusion based > > on a hypothesis and playing rhetorically with the phenomena we > > experience as evident and or paradoxically regarding the concept of > > time. > > It is a fact. You can only experience the now. > > A fact! You are experiencing a fact, but not the " now " ! For me, the now and fact comes to the same. > > > > The future? Only thoughts in this now. > > > > Kip: Ditto. Everyone, perhaps even in the Kindergarten, knows that, > > so to say. > > Intellectual understanding will get you nowhere. > > > > > Ø Great! That's exactly were I belong! J You belong to existence. > > > > > The past? Only thoughts in this now. > > > > Kip: False! There is a difference between the concepts past and > > future in your perception. That's the reason why you are able to > > negate such a difference. > > True. What we call the future is an extrapolation created from the > past. > > > Why from an inexistent past…because past is a concept with the same quality or dignity than the concept " now " . The past is a form withing the now. The now is more than form. The now also contains awareness of form. > > > Everything, _everything_ is in this now. > > > Kip: Are you a Guru, Al? Nothing will change if you repeat this > > assumption, like a mantra, in great profusion publically. You > should > > know that! > > I am trying to convince myself not to worry about the future. > > You will never succeed as long as you try or fight for it. Give up! How can 'I' give up, when 'I' don't create the thoughts in the first place? > > > > > > > There is nothing outside this now. > > > > Kip: and even inside! > > > > > > See? You may say: " There is something outside this now: the future " > > Then I will > > simply say: " Your idea about the future is a thought in this now. > > There is _only_ this now. See? " > > > > Kip: And then? You have learned to play with a concept chess! > That's > > all! See? > > But have I realized the timeless now? > > > > There is no " I " able to realize that! Correct. It's rather a loss of a time-bound 'I' that is the realization of the timeless. > > > P.S. Take a step beyond that! And tell me what do you see, Al? > > Beyond the now? I see the future and I see the past. Can I see all my > past? No. I don't even remember what thoughts I had 30 minutes ago! > > > > > Wait a while! It will remember you! J I believe all past is forever here, only that we remember only parts of it at a time. /AL > Kip Almazy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 >> I am trying to convince myself not to worry about the future. [snip] Kip: There is no " I " able to realize that! >> Correct... Kip: About what do you still have to convince yourself!!!See? Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > > > > >> I am trying to convince myself not to worry about the future. > > [snip] > > > Kip: There is no " I " able to realize that! > > > >> Correct... > > > Kip: About what do you still have to convince yourself!!!See? The sense of being a separate individual must drop away. /AL > > > > Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2004 Report Share Posted September 12, 2004 Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " <anders_lindman> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> I am trying to convince myself not to worry about the future. > > > > [snip] > > > > > > Kip: There is no " I " able to realize that! > > > > > > >> Correct... > > > > > > Kip: About what do you still have to convince yourself!!!See? > > The sense of being a separate individual must drop away. > > /AL .....before that happens.......make peace with those things in your past, which make you worry about the future Ha D Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman " > <anders_lindman> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I am trying to convince myself not to worry about the future. > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > Kip: There is no " I " able to realize that! > > > > > > > > > >> Correct... > > > > > > > > > Kip: About what do you still have to convince yourself!!!See? > > > > The sense of being a separate individual must drop away. > > > > /AL > > > ....before that happens.......make peace with those things in your > past, which make you worry about the future > > > Ha D > Kip Almazy I am worried about my body being vulnerable and temporary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 > I am worried about my body being vulnerable and temporary. ...............for good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Would you care about it, if a truck would run over your shadow?....What is that, who casts the shadow besides, the shadow of that shadow. Kip Almazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 > > > I am worried about my body being vulnerable and temporary. So, Al, why is it that I'm not worried about your body, or you about mine? Are you not really worrying about worrying, fearing, fear? JUst worry as much as you can, Al. Get as scare as you possible can. See what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <Pedsie2@a...> wrote: > > > > > I am worried about my body being vulnerable and temporary. > > So, Al, why is it that I'm not worried about your body, or you > about mine? > Are you not really worrying about worrying, fearing, fear? > > JUst worry as much as you can, Al. Get as scare as you possible can. > See what happens. Yes, conscious suffering is a good practice I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy> wrote: > Would you care about it, if a truck would run over your > shadow?....What is that, who casts the shadow besides, the shadow of > that shadow. > > > Kip Almazy When my shadow is in a fire I feel no pain. But if I stick my hand into the fire I get burned. It may all be Maya but the pain is still real. It would be cool if one could have a lucid experience in the real world. In a lucid dream we wake up in the dream and know that we are dreaming, so we can begin to fly in the sky, jump into fire and do all kinds of crazy stunts. What if we woke up in the real world realizing that it is only a mind 'Matrix' and that nothing can really hurt us? Then I could stick my hand into a fire and let it burn up, and then by just thinking it back into existence it would be back unburned! Then we would indeed have the faith of a mustard seed. /AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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