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If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

stops the illusion this way?

Would suicide make for enlightenment?

If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame of

mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

 

Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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If you're having suicidal thoughts, GO SEE A DOCTOR, RIGHT AWAY!

 

-- In Nisargadatta , " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

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> If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame

of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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Nisargadatta , " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

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> If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame

of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

 

What you think of as you, is only a memory track created now. Even

your body, and all of the material world is only a memory track

created NOW. Your body is already dead. You think that there is a

difference between a corpse and a " living " person, but this is only

in appearance. Both are as dead as can be. Only awareness is alive.

Only NOW exists. The world is like a movie on the screen. The movie

has already happened, it is dead, a corpse in the movie and

a " living " person in the same movie are only different in appearance.

 

/AL

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i agree w/ cerosoul... if u feel suicidal, see a professional mental

health care practitioner right away... u do not want to kill yourself

while in such a state of confusion...

 

by the way... what kind of " totality training " have u been taking

that has caused u to become so confused u feel like killing

yourself???

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

wrote:

> If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame

of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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Saw a documentary once of interviews with people, who had attempted

suicide...it failed and they lived to tell of the experience.....not a

pleasant one at all...rather quite horrifying. Definitely not a prescription

for enlightenment.

 

Don't be sure that your totality training is telling you this..this is

confusion. Ramesh has a story somewhere about this...maybe someone here can

relate it to you.

 

Buddha is quoted as having said,

" Deeds are done but there is no individual doer thereof " .

 

Going deeper into non-dualistic teachings, the understanding will dawn,

that there are (still) consequences for actions, taken.

 

 

 

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" reptiliouss " <Reptilious

<Nisargadatta >

Friday, June 04, 2004 6:50 AM

Suicide

 

 

> If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam-

ondre@c...> wrote:

> Saw a documentary once of interviews with people, who had attempted

> suicide...it failed and they lived to tell of the

experience.....not a

> pleasant one at all...rather quite horrifying. Definitely not a

prescription

> for enlightenment.

>

> Don't be sure that your totality training is telling you this..this

is

> confusion. Ramesh has a story somewhere about this...maybe someone

here can

> relate it to you.

>

> Buddha is quoted as having said,

> " Deeds are done but there is no individual doer thereof " .

>

> Going deeper into non-dualistic teachings, the understanding will

dawn,

> that there are (still) consequences for actions, taken.

 

The best way to prevent someone from trying to commit suicide is to

tell them: How do you know that after you commit suicide you will not

be born again in *exactly* the same life you are experiencing now?

What if your life is an endless loop, like a record being played over

and over again starting with yourself being born and ending with

yourself commiting suicide. Again, and again, and again...

Nightmarish to the extreme! That should stop even the most proud

suicide candidate.

 

Sorry for being such a Devil today.

 

/AL

 

>

>

>

> -

> " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

> <Nisargadatta >

> Friday, June 04, 2004 6:50 AM

> Suicide

>

>

> > If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

> > If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> > stops the illusion this way?

> > Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> > If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> > irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> > Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame

of

> > mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

> >

> > Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

<anders_lindman> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam-

> ondre@c...> wrote:

> > Saw a documentary once of interviews with people, who had

attempted

> > suicide...it failed and they lived to tell of the

> experience.....not a

> > pleasant one at all...rather quite horrifying. Definitely not a

> prescription

> > for enlightenment.

> >

> > Don't be sure that your totality training is telling you

this..this

> is

> > confusion. Ramesh has a story somewhere about this...maybe

someone

> here can

> > relate it to you.

> > >Experience and reality are generally not truth; but may be a

window to understanding. After being drafted to go to Vietnam, I

found myself in one of the most dangerous positions as Pointman, but

there was an intuitive knowledge where ambushes, trip-wires, mines

etc. were;in 7 mts I avoided all. When self inflicted preasure built

up i tried to let myself be killed, but it never worked, VC wouldn't

shoot at me, I could walk through mine fields, but to my frustration

nothing worked. Finially realized that I would not be allowed to

die, so I accepted that and have never been afraid of death since.

Even in my apparent ignorance I realized that life and death were not

to be determined by me; but did push me toward finding who I am and

who or what is in control. But still have not completed what Maharaj

said, You are not afraid of death, but now you need to learn how to

live. If this resonaces with anyone that is fine; if not, that is

fine also. John

> > Buddha is quoted as having said,

> > " Deeds are done but there is no individual doer thereof " .

> >

> > Going deeper into non-dualistic teachings, the understanding

will

> dawn,

> > that there are (still) consequences for actions, taken.

>

> The best way to prevent someone from trying to commit suicide is to

> tell them: How do you know that after you commit suicide you will

not

> be born again in *exactly* the same life you are experiencing now?

> What if your life is an endless loop, like a record being played

over

> and over again starting with yourself being born and ending with

> yourself commiting suicide. Again, and again, and again...

> Nightmarish to the extreme! That should stop even the most proud

> suicide candidate.

>

> Sorry for being such a Devil today.

>

> /AL

>

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

> > <Nisargadatta >

> > Friday, June 04, 2004 6:50 AM

> > Suicide

> >

> >

> > > If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to

suicide?

> > > If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if

one

> > > stops the illusion this way?

> > > Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> > > If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> > > irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> > > Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality

frame

> of

> > > mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

> > >

> > > Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " anders_lindman "

> <anders_lindman> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta , " Jessica White " <ellam-

> > ondre@c...> wrote:

> > > Saw a documentary once of interviews with people, who had

> attempted

> > > suicide...it failed and they lived to tell of the

> > experience.....not a

> > > pleasant one at all...rather quite horrifying. Definitely not a

> > prescription

> > > for enlightenment.

> > >

> > > Don't be sure that your totality training is telling you

> this..this

> > is

> > > confusion. Ramesh has a story somewhere about this...maybe

> someone

> > here can

> > > relate it to you.

> > > >Experience and reality are generally not truth; but may be a

> window to understanding. After being drafted to go to Vietnam, I

> found myself in one of the most dangerous positions as Pointman,

but

> there was an intuitive knowledge where ambushes, trip-wires, mines

> etc. were;in 7 mts I avoided all. When self inflicted preasure

built

> up i tried to let myself be killed, but it never worked, VC

wouldn't

> shoot at me, I could walk through mine fields, but to my

frustration

> nothing worked. Finially realized that I would not be allowed to

> die, so I accepted that and have never been afraid of death since.

> Even in my apparent ignorance I realized that life and death were

not

> to be determined by me; but did push me toward finding who I am and

> who or what is in control. But still have not completed what

Maharaj

> said, You are not afraid of death, but now you need to learn how to

> live. If this resonaces with anyone that is fine; if not, that is

> fine also. John

 

Hi John,

 

What an extraordinary experience you describe. When it comes to

living life I find comfort in the idea that not only birth and death

is in the hand of the Source, but also everything in ordinary life is

also completely in the hands of the Source, and that Source is found,

not out there in the vast space of the universe, but right in the

center of one's own heart.

 

/AL

 

> > > Buddha is quoted as having said,

> > > " Deeds are done but there is no individual doer thereof " .

> > >

> > > Going deeper into non-dualistic teachings, the understanding

> will

> > dawn,

> > > that there are (still) consequences for actions, taken.

> >

> > The best way to prevent someone from trying to commit suicide is

to

> > tell them: How do you know that after you commit suicide you will

> not

> > be born again in *exactly* the same life you are experiencing

now?

> > What if your life is an endless loop, like a record being played

> over

> > and over again starting with yourself being born and ending with

> > yourself commiting suicide. Again, and again, and again...

> > Nightmarish to the extreme! That should stop even the most proud

> > suicide candidate.

> >

> > Sorry for being such a Devil today.

> >

> > /AL

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > " reptiliouss " <Reptilious@i...>

> > > <Nisargadatta >

> > > Friday, June 04, 2004 6:50 AM

> > > Suicide

> > >

> > >

> > > > If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to

> suicide?

> > > > If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter

if

> one

> > > > stops the illusion this way?

> > > > Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> > > > If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> > > > irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> > > > Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality

> frame

> > of

> > > > mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

> > > >

> > > > Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

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" reptiliouss " <Reptilious

<Nisargadatta >

Friday, June 04, 2004 7:20 PM

Suicide

 

 

> If all duality is illusion, then how does this relate to suicide?

 

 

 

To whom is all duality an illusion?

Is that apart from the illusion?

 

All other issues, all other questions (including that of suicide) follows from

that premise.

 

 

 

 

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

 

 

A successful suicide is the cessation of the body-mind organism.

To whom does the cessation of the biological object, (whatever be the particular

form of the cessation),..............matter?

 

 

 

 

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

 

 

What is enlightenment?

 

 

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

 

 

So after all it's not an illusion for you?

 

It must not be, for you wish to get rid of it.

 

Chasing something in order to get it, or chasing something in order to get rid

of it,.................in both cases, that " something " is not illusory but holds

a reality for you.

 

Otherwise why would you bother chasing to get it or get rid of it.

 

So suggest, there is nothing illusory for you,...........you maybe sick of your

life as you believe it to be and want an " spiritually embellished " cop out.:-)

 

 

 

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a duality frame of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't matter.

 

 

Of course it matters to you.

 

Otherwise the thought would not hold you.

 

 

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

 

 

What is the specific issue, on which a proceeding is believed to be needed?

 

 

 

 

 

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Just try and inquire on who is this entity trying to

commit suicide?? Who kills who is the big question???

 

regards

Gautam

--- reptiliouss <Reptilious wrote:

> If all duality is illusion, then how does this

> relate to suicide?

> If there is no karma, no *i*, no anything...would it

> matter if one

> stops the illusion this way?

> Would suicide make for enlightenment?

> If nothing matters due to all is totality, and all

> duality is

> irrelevant, and an illusion, why not.

> Strange feelings that i have now are of course in a

> duality frame of

> mind, but my totality training tells me it doesn't

> matter.

>

> Very confused, and not sure how to proceed.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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