Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 some say love, it is a river of consciousness some say love is roving your boat in the middle of emptiness. some say love is like the river wind that sings through the hallow reed. some say love, it is a river that drowns the tender reed. some say love, it is the devotional hunger, an endless aching need for the Beloved. some say love is the nondual dream, afraid of waking, that never takes a chance. la la la la la Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 > some say love is the nondual dream, afraid of waking, > that never takes a chance. Way cool! Right on Bro! And I say love is the nondual dream smashed to smithereens by the Big Bear Within. Bill - <hur <Nisargadatta > Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:29 PM What is love? > some say love, it is a river of consciousness > some say love is roving your boat in the middle of emptiness. > some say love is like the river wind that sings through the hallow > reed. > some say love, it is a river that drowns > the tender reed. > some say love, it is the devotional hunger, > an endless aching need for the Beloved. > some say love is the nondual dream, afraid of waking, > that never takes a chance. > > la la la la la > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 ....a question gassho :-) sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > What is truth? > ...a question > > > > gassho :-) > sk Yeah! )) Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the first truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, truth is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, but, be! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > > What is truth? > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > sk > > Yeah! )) > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the first > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, truth > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, but, > be! > > Pete but how about love then? (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) does Nisargadatta use it once? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > wrote: > > > What is truth? > > > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > > sk > > > > Yeah! )) > > > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the first > > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, truth > > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, > but, > > be! > > > > Pete > > but how about love then? > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > does Nisargadatta use it once? > eric According to the Buddhist sage Tina Turner, love is a 'second hand emotion.' We love what pleases us, what is ours, or is like us. Your genes command you love your children. To help another without feeling any emotional reward, without caring for consequences, to care and help because it is part of the situation, without following any charitable blue print, that is metta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 > but how about love then? > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > does Nisargadatta use it once? > eric Love is a central notion to Nisargadatta, but it is not a notion he uses in his teaching a lot. Rather, it is what is the *outcome* of realization. The following quotes illustrate what I mean... Bill Wisdom tells me I am nothing. Love tells me I am everything. And between the two my life flows. When you realize that you are the light of the world, you will also realize that you are the love of it; that to know is to love and to love is to know. I simply followed (my teacher's) instruction which was to focus the mind on pure being 'I am', and stay in it. I used to sit for hours together, with nothing but the 'I am' in my mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all- embracing love became my normal state. In it all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life I lived, the world around me. Only peace remained and unfathomable silence. First of all, establish a constant contact with your self, be with yourself all the time. Into self-awareness all blessings flow. Begin as a centre of observation, deliberate cognizance, and grow into a centre of love in action. 'I am' is a tiny seed which will grow into a mighty tree -- quite naturally, without a trace of effort. - " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines <Nisargadatta > Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:53 PM Re: What is love? > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > wrote: > > > What is truth? > > > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > > sk > > > > Yeah! )) > > > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the first > > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, truth > > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, > but, > > be! > > > > Pete > > but how about love then? > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > does Nisargadatta use it once? > eric > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 And here is another quote from Maharaj on love: Do not pretend that you love others as yourself. Unless you have realized them as one with yourself, you cannot love them. Don't pretend to be what you are not, don't refuse to be what you are. Your love of others is the result of self-knowledge, not its cause. Without self-realization, no virtue is geniune. When you know beyond all doubting that the same life flows through all that is and you arethat life, you will love all naturally and sponataneously. When you realize the dept and fullness of your love of yourself, you know thatevery living being and the entire universe are included in your affection. But when you look at anything as separate from you, you cannot love it for you are afraid of it. Alienation causes fear and fear deepens alienation. It is a vicious circle. Only self- realization can break it. Go for it resolutely. Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > but how about love then? > > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > > does Nisargadatta use it once? > > eric > Love is a central notion to Nisargadatta, but it is not > a notion he uses in his teaching a lot. Rather, it is > what is the *outcome* of realization. The following > quotes illustrate what I mean... > > Bill > > > Wisdom tells me I am nothing. > Love tells me I am everything. > And between the two my life flows. > > When you realize that you are the light of > the world, you will also realize that you are > the love of it; that to know is to love and > to love is to know. > > > I simply followed (my teacher's) instruction > which was to focus the mind on pure being 'I > am', and stay in it. I used to sit for hours > together, with nothing but the 'I am' in my > mind and soon peace and joy and a deep all- > embracing love became my normal state. In it > all disappeared -- myself, my Guru, the life > I lived, the world around me. Only peace > remained and unfathomable silence. > > > First of all, establish a constant contact > with your self, be with yourself all the > time. Into self-awareness all blessings flow. > Begin as a centre of observation, deliberate > cognizance, and grow into a centre of love in > action. 'I am' is a tiny seed which will grow > into a mighty tree -- quite naturally, > without a trace of effort. > > > > > - > " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines@a...> > <Nisargadatta > > Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:53 PM > Re: What is love? > > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > > wrote: > > > > What is truth? > > > > > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > > > sk > > > > > > Yeah! )) > > > > > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the first > > > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, truth > > > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, > > but, > > > be! > > > > > > Pete > > > > but how about love then? > > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > > does Nisargadatta use it once? > > eric > > > > > > ** > > > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 So yeah, truth is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, but, be! Yeah, Pete! :-)) How inmensly releaving it is, to live the question. It has no borders, no frontiers, limitations or confinements. To be the question is freedom here and now...moment by moment. We did nothing else before we were born and we will do nothing else after leaving the realm of answers. Why should a body & mind disfigure that? sk P.S. A bow to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > > wrote: > > > > What is truth? > > > > > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > > > sk > > > > > > Yeah! )) > > > > > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the > first > > > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, > truth > > > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, > > but, > > > be! > > > > > > Pete > > > > but how about love then? > > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > > does Nisargadatta use it once? > > eric > > According to the Buddhist sage Tina Turner, love is a 'second hand > emotion.' We love what pleases us, what is ours, or is like us. Your > genes command you love your children. To help another without feeling > any emotional reward, without caring for consequences, to care and > help because it is part of the situation, without following any > charitable blue print, that is metta. this would be my definition too, i might reconsider Tina turner (What's Tina got to do with it, got to do with) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > So yeah, truth is a question about being. A question that has no > other answer, but, be! > > > Yeah, Pete! :-)) How inmensly releaving it is, to live the question. > It has no borders, no frontiers, limitations or confinements. To be > the question is freedom here and now...moment by moment. We did > nothing else before we were born and we will do nothing else after > leaving the realm of answers. Why should a body & mind disfigure > that? > > > sk > > > P.S. A bow to you! Glad to hear it, sk. Gassho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > > <brahmanshines@a...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> > > > wrote: > > > > > What is truth? > > > > > > > > > ...a question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gassho :-) > > > > > sk > > > > > > > > Yeah! )) > > > > > > > > Christ answered: " I am the truth. " Which reads: 'I am' is the > > first > > > > truth. Without first being , there is no other truth. So yeah, > > truth > > > > is a question about being. A question that has no other answer, > > > but, > > > > be! > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > but how about love then? > > > (gee, i use the word so rarely i almost misspelled it) > > > does Nisargadatta use it once? > > > eric > > > > According to the Buddhist sage Tina Turner, love is a 'second hand > > emotion.' We love what pleases us, what is ours, or is like us. > Your > > genes command you love your children. To help another without > feeling > > any emotional reward, without caring for consequences, to care and > > help because it is part of the situation, without following any > > charitable blue print, that is metta. > > this would be my definition too, i might reconsider Tina turner > (What's Tina got to do with it, got to do with) Good! Tina will be happy to take you under her wing. Don't be afraid, she uses the best french deodorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 > It has no borders, no frontiers, limitations or confinements. To be > the question is freedom here and now...moment by moment. We did > nothing else before we were born and we will do nothing else after > leaving the realm of answers. Life is inherently uncertain. To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > It has no borders, no frontiers, limitations or confinements. To be > > the question is freedom here and now...moment by moment. We did > > nothing else before we were born and we will do nothing else after > > leaving the realm of answers. > Life is inherently uncertain. > To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. > > Bill Oops Bill, I meant quite the opposite! You will get in life the certainity you deserve. sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Oops or not, I stand by what I said: To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. Bill - " sk000005 " <sk000005 <Nisargadatta > Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:27 AM Re: What is love? > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > It has no borders, no frontiers, limitations or confinements. To > be > > > the question is freedom here and now...moment by moment. We did > > > nothing else before we were born and we will do nothing else > after > > > leaving the realm of answers. > > Life is inherently uncertain. > > To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. > > > > Bill > > > Oops Bill, I meant quite the opposite! You will get in life the > certainity you deserve. > > > sk > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > Oops or not, I stand by what I said: > To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. > > Bill Why? sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " sk000005 " <sk000005> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Oops or not, I stand by what I said: > > To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. > > > > Bill > > > Why? > > > sk this, something i noticed too, Bill always has a valuable reason to do or say what he does or says. how i envy him. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 > > Oops or not, I stand by what I said: > > To be alive is to thrill with the vibrant edge of uncertainty. > > > > Bill > > > Why? LOL... : )) Answering that is a tall order, actually. Briefly, when the mind lets go of its craving for certainty, and we melt back into the moment, the Now... the shimmering, edgeless borderless vibrancy of life begins to dance again. And this is the Dance of Shiva...yes? In this dance we have no *control*. We are surrendered into the movement that sparkles in Presence. It is simple, it is open, it is alive, it is the innocence of a child. It is to the *mind* that uncertainty is a threat. But in the innocence of a child uncertainty is simply openness, adventure, freedom. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 But in the innocence of a child uncertainty is simply openness, adventure, freedom. Yes! I wouldn't call that uncertainty anymore. When did you loose your innocence, Billy? :-)) I hope it wasn't a french experience! sk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 > Yes! I wouldn't call that uncertainty anymore. When did you loose > your innocence, Billy? :-)) I hope it wasn't a french experience! LOL I'm not telling : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > Yes! I wouldn't call that uncertainty anymore. When did you loose > > your innocence, Billy? :-)) I hope it wasn't a french experience! > LOL > > I'm not telling : ) i'd know it right away Bill, remember? i'm the specialist here... of frenchiness. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 > i'd know it right away Bill, remember? i'm the specialist here... of > frenchiness. > eric Ok eric. You've flushed me out. I must reveal my naivite. Please explain " frenchiness " .... Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2004 Report Share Posted January 24, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > i'd know it right away Bill, remember? i'm the specialist here... of > > frenchiness. > > eric > Ok eric. You've flushed me out. > I must reveal my naivite. > Please explain " frenchiness " .... > > Bill There is a test. Do you get excited when you smell shellfish? Do the inside of oisters look sexually appealing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " seesaw1us " <seesaw1us> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > i'd know it right away Bill, remember? i'm the specialist here... > of > > > frenchiness. > > > eric > > Ok eric. You've flushed me out. > > I must reveal my naivite. > > Please explain " frenchiness " .... > > > > Bill > > There is a test. > > Do you get excited when you smell shellfish? Do the inside of > oisters look sexually appealing? God, you made me blush Pete! my secretest collective unconscious divulged to the crowds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2004 Report Share Posted January 25, 2004 Nisargadatta , " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > i'd know it right away Bill, remember? i'm the specialist here... of > > frenchiness. > > eric > Ok eric. You've flushed me out. > I must reveal my naivite. > Please explain " frenchiness " .... > > Bill frenchiness is the natural state of frogs, that is, even their farts are green. eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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