Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> wrote: > > > > John you said: > > > > I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions > > > > even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney > about > > bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, > > John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... > > it looks so much like humility > > and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value > to > > the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... > > because we teach our kids very early: > > " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. > > Sorry 'bout that. " > > this is so rude > > > > John when you say this you're rude > > Jess when you say this you're rude > > i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 > > she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, > > she says " hey shithead! " > > > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, > you're > > decision doesn't come from heaven. > > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > > eric > > Eric -- > > One of my gurus is Will Blake and he told me > that I like your post. > > After he told me that, I realized that I > thought your post was good. > > When I thought about it a little more, I > realized ol' Will is dead. > > So I said to him, " Damn, Will -- I don't > owe my joy to you, so fuck off! " > > He said, " Cool, Dan -- he who kisses a joy > as it flies, lives in eternity's sunrise. > So, fuck you too! " > > I like what you said about rudeness. > > What you're calling rudeness, I'd probably > call an attempt at superiority, by someone > who abhors people who try to be superior. > > -- Dan straightforwardness about one's intent, even if it is to despise someone, give so much freedom to the despised, at least he can spit back. :-) eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have ceased. > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > Yes Sandeep, Conscious virtue is vanity. I wonder if all those semi-holy spiritual positivists can see that ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have ceased. > > > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of > beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > > > Yes Sandeep, > > Conscious virtue is vanity. I wonder if all those semi-holy spiritual > positivists can see that ? > > Werner you mean, ...the republicans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > > > > > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have > ceased. > > > > > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of > > beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > > > > > > Yes Sandeep, > > > > Conscious virtue is vanity. I wonder if all those semi-holy > spiritual > > positivists can see that ? > > > > Werner > > you mean, ...the republicans? of course you can see that, you are conscious of it,... is this seeing a virtue, a penetration, an awareness? is awareness among the virtues? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> > wrote: > > > > > > > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have > > ceased. > > > > > > > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of > > > beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > > > > > > > > > Yes Sandeep, > > > > > > Conscious virtue is vanity. I wonder if all those semi-holy > > spiritual > > > positivists can see that ? > > > > > > Werner > > > > you mean, ...the republicans? > > of course you can see that, you are conscious of it,... is this > seeing a virtue, a penetration, an awareness? > is awareness among the virtues? > eric Interesting question, isn't Eric ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> > wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@p...> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have > > > ceased. > > > > > > > > > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of > > > > beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Sandeep, > > > > > > > > Conscious virtue is vanity. I wonder if all those semi-holy > > > spiritual > > > > positivists can see that ? > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > you mean, ...the republicans? > > > > of course you can see that, you are conscious of it,... is this > > seeing a virtue, a penetration, an awareness? > > is awareness among the virtues? > > eric > > Interesting question, isn't Eric ? > > Werner well if you ask me Werny, i have never seen anything interesting in someone dodging an argument (unless harm is feared, but even then, the real observation would start) :-( xerox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > > > well if you ask me Werny, i have never seen anything interesting in > someone dodging an argument (unless harm is feared, but even then, > the real observation would start) > :-( > xerox ********* Yes, most people are not interested in self-observation, but in ful- fulling their agendas. It's a completely different ball of wax. When a person gets sick and tired of trying to fulfill their agendas, seeing that it's not REALLY getting them anywhere, that they're just spinning their wheels, THEN a person is ripe, but not until. Their hopes and dreams is what *has* them, NOT actual " self " - investigation. Or they " play " at self-investigation, the purpose still of fulfilling their agendas, which of course is just more of the same nonsense. Completely stepping off that *wheel* is a different story. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Nisargadatta , Sandeep <sandeepc@b...> wrote: > Hi John, > > > > - > " John Cox " <jcoxco> > <Nisargadatta > > Thursday, November 27, 2003 01:49 AM > Compassion > > > > Compassion can be looked at in several ways. In daily life love and > > compassion may be necessary to develope relationships and basic > > culture. I learned from Zen/Pure Land master Thich Thien~An how deep > > compassion can be; he had only compassion for the Christions who > > locked him in a 'Black Box' for months, love, compassion, and self- > > degrading humor for the college students who insulted him for his > > poor English and especially that one cannot have compassion for > > others if arrogance and ego exist in regards to others. > > > > Compassion is the flavour of the milieu of beingness, when it is not by... and not for..... > > It just is,.....in the realization, ................that you are the other. > > And that is why,........for that mileu of beingness,...........there is neither the " ignorant " , neither the " losers " , neither the " insulters " , neither the " victimizers " . > > Nor is thus, for that milieu of beingness,.............the " wise " , or the " winners " or the " praisers " or the " victims " > > Compassion, truly is,...........when all distinctions, have ceased. > > And in the absence of all distinctions,........that milieu of beingness,..........is not even conscious of being compassion. > > > > > > > > With Nisargadatta I saw compassion for all that came to see him, even > > if they were ignorant, burned-out from the Guru trail, not those > > combative in a manner to support their own Ego, or came to be seen by > > others to increase their reputation. > > > Yes, it makes no difference to that milieu of beingness. > > For only an ego, cognizes an ego in the other. > > Only a loser, cognizes a loser-other. > > Only an ignorant cognizes ignorance in an other. > > > > > If someone wanted to argue openions he had a great time, his only concern was a true desire to > > find who they really were. I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this forum. > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > Why? > What decisions, were you looking to be made, by anybody, anywhere? > > > > > > But also he was concerned about the lady that lived under the > > stairwell in his building, the local people and the children. > > > > > [Granted those Masters are hard to live up to, but we can try. > > > John, so long there is an icon to be followed,.............there prevails a sense of distinction. > > >>>Good grist for this mill, thank you........john Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> wrote: > > > > > > well if you ask me Werny, i have never seen anything interesting in > > someone dodging an argument (unless harm is feared, but even then, > > the real observation would start) > > :-( > > xerox > > > ********* > Yes, most people are not interested in self-observation, but in ful- > fulling their agendas. It's a completely different ball of wax. > > When a person gets sick and tired of trying to fulfill their agendas, > seeing that it's not REALLY getting them anywhere, that they're just > spinning their wheels, THEN a person is ripe, but not until. > > Their hopes and dreams is what *has* them, NOT actual " self " - > investigation. Or they " play " at self-investigation, the purpose > still of fulfilling their agendas, which of course is just more of > the same nonsense. > > Completely stepping off that *wheel* is a different story. > > Judi so you have stepped off the " wheel " . If the nature of your relating to other humans is an indication of this, then I am definitely not interested and thanks for the hint. I've been investigating when you were still a teenager playing with makeup while dreaming about your next date, Darling... Jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2003 Report Share Posted November 30, 2003 Nisargadatta , " new7892001 " <JB789@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " eric " <vertvetiver> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > well if you ask me Werny, i have never seen anything interesting > in > > > someone dodging an argument (unless harm is feared, but even > then, > > > the real observation would start) > > > :-( > > > xerox > > > > > > ********* > > Yes, most people are not interested in self-observation, but in ful- > > fulling their agendas. It's a completely different ball of wax. > > > > When a person gets sick and tired of trying to fulfill their > agendas, > > seeing that it's not REALLY getting them anywhere, that they're > just > > spinning their wheels, THEN a person is ripe, but not until. > > > > Their hopes and dreams is what *has* them, NOT actual " self " - > > investigation. Or they " play " at self-investigation, the purpose > > still of fulfilling their agendas, which of course is just more of > > the same nonsense. > > > > Completely stepping off that *wheel* is a different story. > > > > Judi > > so you have stepped off the " wheel " . > If the nature of your relating to other humans is an indication of > this, then I am definitely not interested and thanks for the hint. > I've been investigating when you were still a teenager playing with > makeup while dreaming about your next date, Darling... > Jb now you give me thoughts and fantasies about Judi playing with make up and dreaming about me, Jb <sigh!> who would care about investigating anything else but love, darling? eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2003 Report Share Posted December 20, 2003 Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " eric paroissien " > > <vertvetiver@a...> wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " John Cox " <jcoxco> > wrote: > > > > > > John you said: > > > > > > I trust Maharaj to make those decisions; > > > > > > certaintly not me, and certaintly not people on this > forum. > > > > > > Sorry 'bout that. > > > > > > as Jessica introduced her guru as an authority in the discussions > > > > > > even as a small kid i knew in adults there was something phoney > > about > > > bringing in an absent authority; it looks so much like humility, > > > John, and Jess told you so as an answer to this... > > > it looks so much like humility > > > and all decisions belong to the absent dead guy, and little value > > to > > > the compagnon to the wife to the son to the friend, ... > > > because we teach our kids very early: > > > " where will my joy come from certaintly not from you. > > > Sorry 'bout that. " > > > this is so rude > > > > > > John when you say this you're rude > > > Jess when you say this you're rude > > > i prefer the fuck fuck fuck of dear Judi and her .357 > > > she doesn't dress in satin to make people feel like shit, > > > she says " hey shithead! " > > > > > > well John, Nisargatta cannot be trusted to bring you anything, > > you're > > > decision doesn't come from heaven. > > > i don't owe my joy to nisargadatta > > > eric > > > > Eric -- > > > > One of my gurus is Will Blake and he told me > > that I like your post. > > > > After he told me that, I realized that I > > thought your post was good. > > > > When I thought about it a little more, I > > realized ol' Will is dead. > > > > So I said to him, " Damn, Will -- I don't > > owe my joy to you, so fuck off! " > > > > He said, " Cool, Dan -- he who kisses a joy > > as it flies, lives in eternity's sunrise. > > So, fuck you too! " > > > > I like what you said about rudeness. > > > > What you're calling rudeness, I'd probably > > call an attempt at superiority, by someone > > who abhors people who try to be superior. > > > > -- Dan > > straightforwardness about one's intent, even if it is to despise > someone, give so much freedom to the despised, at least he can spit > back. > :-) > eric >>>>>>No, Eric, Dan, Judi, et all; I neither despise anyone on this list, and certaintly am not superior to any. My point is that there are many ways for spiritualty, or any word you prefer, to manifest. I disagree with anyone (including myself, if that is your perception) who insult, curse, or demean others whose search for self does not mirror their own viewpoint. Especially 'newbies' who I suspect generally do not enter these woods to be devoured by wolfs. I have been, and am one of those babes and appreciate the positive and insigthfull help that appears here. With respect: john Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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