Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 > > Merry Meet all.. > who could explain me what is or who is " Nisargadatta " ? hi,nisargadatta was an enlightenend being that lived in India recently, he's left that body....but His words were recorded in books. He had a guru and got realized when he was in his late 30s and he sold beedies (cigarettes) for a living..when he retired people began to go for His darshan and ask questions about how they themselves cound get enlightnened...i've been reading about the lives of Gurus and Saints for about 30 years, and nisargattada is very unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the physical plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw differently from most humans... do you consider yourself a depressed person,,,is that your picture on your opening page,,,how did you get here to a nisargaddat group..the only person i know who was into goth just killed himself last summer...i don't think that particular cult is a good one...my 27 year old daughter is a bit into wicca, i try and discourage her but i think it's a bit lighter then goth... don't mind me, i'm really just thinking of your welfare...and i'm an old lady like skippy over there said,,smiles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2003 Report Share Posted April 2, 2003 on 4/2/03 8:34 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > and nisargattada is very > unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the physical > plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw > differently from most humans... I've never heard this...where did you read this, devi? Moonsorrow, you can read some stuff here: http://www.nonduality.com/nisarga.htm ))))))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/2/03 8:34 AM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > and nisargattada is very > > unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the physical > > plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw > > differently from most humans... > > > > I've never heard this...where did you read this, devi? > > Moonsorrow, you can read some stuff here: > > http://www.nonduality.com/nisarga.htm > > ))))))))Shawn i read it in " I AM That " i have no idea what part of the book though, i remember reading it and then being really *wanting to know more* about it...so i went to some meher baba books where he confirmed that there are some realizers that do not see like we do... i'll think about coming across it but i won't search for it,,,hopefull it will just pop up if i keep in in my mind to desire it.. well, our 5 hours ahead of me, see ya tomorrow peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > > on 4/2/03 8:34 AM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > > > and nisargattada is very > > > unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the > physical > > > plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw > > > differently from most humans... > > > > > > > > I've never heard this...where did you read this, devi? > > > > Moonsorrow, you can read some stuff here: > > > > http://www.nonduality.com/nisarga.htm > > > > ))))))))Shawn > > i read it in " I AM That " i have no idea what part of the book > though, i remember reading it and then being really *wanting to know > more* about it...so i went to some meher baba books where he > confirmed that there are some realizers that do not see like we do... > > i'll think about coming across it but i won't search for > it,,,hopefull it will just pop up if i keep in in my mind to desire > it.. well, our 5 hours ahead of me, see ya tomorrow > peace I belonged to the same club and the statement ad discussion was about; that Nisragadtta had no 'physical plane' sense: no sense of his body. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 > do you consider yourself a depressed person,,,is that your picture on > your opening page,,,how did you get here to a nisargaddat group..the > only person i know who was into goth just killed himself last > summer...i don't think that particular cult is a good one... There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, as it is. Goth is just another expression of the divine. MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all that imagy. Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 Nisargadatta , " Stuart Johnson " <stuart@s...> wrote: > > do you consider yourself a depressed person,,,is that your picture on > > your opening page,,,how did you get here to a nisargaddat group..the > > only person i know who was into goth just killed himself last > > summer...i don't think that particular cult is a good one... > > There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, as it is. > Goth is just another expression of the divine. > > MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all that > imagy. > > Stuart. how old are you stuart? 18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 > > There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, > as it is. > > Goth is just another expression of the divine. > > > > MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all > that > > imagy. > > > > Stuart. > > > how old are you stuart? 18? 32. Why? Stuart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2003 Report Share Posted April 3, 2003 on 4/3/03 11:39 AM, devianandi at devi wrote: > > how old are you stuart? 18? > What is your obsession with wanting to know people's ages, Devi? Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, as it is. Goth is just another expression of the divine. MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all that imagy. Stuart. how old are you stuart? 18? 32. Why? > > Stuart. devi: nisargadatta wanted to know, so i asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , shawn <shawn@w...> wrote: > on 4/3/03 11:39 AM, devianandi at devi@p... wrote: > > > > > how old are you stuart? 18? > > > > > What is your obsession with wanting to know people's ages, Devi? > > Shawn it's not an obsession, i like to know the ages of the people i talk to. i usually get around to asking everybody i meet. why is that a problem, maybe i should change since you don't like it. smiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 Nisargadatta , " devianandi " <devi@p...> wrote: > > There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, > as it is. Goth is just another expression of the divine. > MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all > that imagy. > Stuart. > > how old are you stuart? 18? > > 32. Why? > > > > Stuart. > > devi: nisargadatta wanted to know, so i asked. devi, now you think you are Nisargadtta? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 on 4/3/03 4:17 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: >> What is your obsession with wanting to know people's ages, Devi? >> >> Shawn > > it's not an obsession, i like to know the ages of the people i talk > to. i usually get around to asking everybody i meet. why is that a > problem, maybe i should change since you don't like it. > > smiles This medium is great for not being able to judge another, on color, race, sex, and age. I think it curious that you seem to want to make those assumptions up front or ask for that info. What's the dif? It gives the appearance that you would like to condecend to people because of various factors. )))))Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 on 4/3/03 4:01 PM, devianandi at devi wrote: > > There is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong.... all is, > as it is. Goth is just another expression of the divine. > MoonSorrow, that is one cool web site you have there! I love all > that imagy. > Stuart. > > how old are you stuart? 18? > > 32. Why? >> >> Stuart. > > devi: nisargadatta wanted to know, so i asked. Move over Ramtha!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2003 Report Share Posted April 4, 2003 What or who is Nisargadatta not MoonSorrow? This is the question. Nisargadatta , Moon Sorrow <hekatesmoon> wrote: > > Merry Meet all.. > who could explain me what is or who is " Nisargadatta " ? > > Light & Blessings from Turkey... > MoonSorrow > http://sorcier.4t.com > > > > > > Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 thanx for explanation, my Lady.. don't worry i'm not depressed, i'm a wiccan and i don't wanna kill myself.. this page is only darkside of my soul.. but it isn't dominant on me.. you're a good lady Light & Blessings Moon devianandi <devi wrote: > > Merry Meet all..> who could explain me what is or who is"Nisargadatta" ?hi,nisargadatta was an enlightenend being that lived in India recently, he's left that body....but His words were recorded in books. He had a guru and got realized when he was in his late 30s and he sold beedies (cigarettes) for a living..when he retired people began to go for His darshan and ask questions about how they themselves cound get enlightnened...i've been reading about the lives of Gurus and Saints for about 30 years, and nisargattada is very unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the physical plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw differently from most humans...do you consider yourself a depressed person,,,is that your picture on your opening page,,,how did you get here to a nisargaddat group..the only person i know who was into goth just killed himself last summer...i don't think that particular cult is a good one...my 27 year old daughter is a bit into wicca, i try and discourage her but i think it's a bit lighter then goth...don't mind me, i'm really just thinking of your welfare...and i'm an old lady like skippy over there said,,smiles...**To change the message delivery options, go to /mygroups and choose from the drop-down list of message delivery options for this group. See "How to manage your groups link" for more detailed instructions: http://help./help/us/groups/mygroups/mygroups-09.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 thanx for explanation, my Lady.. don't worry i'm not depressed, i'm a wiccan and i don't wanna kill myself.. this page is only darkside of my soul.. but it isn't dominant on me.. you're a good lady Light & Blessings Moon devianandi <devi wrote: > > Merry Meet all..> who could explain me what is or who is"Nisargadatta" ?hi,nisargadatta was an enlightenend being that lived in India recently, he's left that body....but His words were recorded in books. He had a guru and got realized when he was in his late 30s and he sold beedies (cigarettes) for a living..when he retired people began to go for His darshan and ask questions about how they themselves cound get enlightnened...i've been reading about the lives of Gurus and Saints for about 30 years, and nisargattada is very unusual to me..one uniques quality is that he didn't see the physical plane like we do,,,i don't think he was blind, he really saw differently from most humans...do you consider yourself a depressed person,,,is that your picture on your opening page,,,how did you get here to a nisargaddat group..the only person i know who was into goth just killed himself last summer...i don't think that particular cult is a good one...my 27 year old daughter is a bit into wicca, i try and discourage her but i think it's a bit lighter then goth...don't mind me, i'm really just thinking of your welfare...and i'm an old lady like skippy over there said,,smiles...**To change the message delivery options, go to /mygroups and choose from the drop-down list of message delivery options for this group. See "How to manage your groups link" for more detailed instructions: http://help./help/us/groups/mygroups/mygroups-09.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > thanx for explanation, my Lady.. devi: your welcome, are you fairly young? maybe you can explain something to me about wicca? whats the equivalent to *becoming enlightened* and do you realize that the character you've created is an illusion? and that behind it is your real being? heres a quote of nisargaddatta: You have met many anchorites and astecs, but a fully realized man *conscious* of his *divinity* (swarupa) is hard to find. The saints and Yogis, by immense efforts and sacrifices, acquire may miraculous powers and can do much good in the way of helping people and inspiring faith, yet it does not make them *perfect*. It isnot a way to reality, but merely an enrichment of the false. All effort leads to more effort: whatever can be lost is not really one's own; and what is not your won of what use can it be to you? In my world nothis is pushed about, all happens by itself. All existence is in space and time, limited and tempory. I am not concerned either with " what exists " or with " who exists " . i take my stand beyond, where i am both and neither. The persons who, after much effort and penance, have fullfilled their ambitions and secured higher levels of experience and action, are usually acutely conscious of their standng, they grad people into heirarchies, ranging from the lowest non-acheiver to the highest acheiver. To me all are equal. Differences is apparance and expression are there, but they do not matter. Just as the shape of a gold ornament does not affect the gold, so does man's essence remain unaffected. Where this sence of eqyality is lacking it means that reality had not been touched. Mere knowledge is not enough; the knowerr must be known. The Pandits and the Yogis may know many things, but of what use is mere knowledge when the self is not known. It will be certainly misused. Without the knowledge of the knower there can be no peace. question: how does one come to know the knower? nisargadatta:I can only tell you what i know from my own experience. When i et my Guru, he told me " You are not what you take yourself to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sese " I Am " , find your real self " I obeyed him, becasue i trusted him. I did as he told me. All my spare time i would spend looking at myself in silence. And what a difference it made, and how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. My Guru died soon after i met him, but it made no difference. I remembered what he told me anf persevered. The fruit of it is here, with me. question: what is it? nisargadatta: i know myself as i am in reality. I am neither the body, nor the mindm nor the mental faculities. I am beyond all these. question: Are you just nothing? nisargadatta: Come on, be reasonable. of course i am, most tangibley. Only i am not what you think me to be..This tells you all. pg 302 *I Am That* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 i don't have to.. cause you'll not understand what means wicca on me.. and also you cannot interrogate me like this... i think this conduct is not RELATED WiTH WiCCA? maybe i can say some sentences.. you're right, i'm 19 years old.. but everyone was 19 years old, is this true? i'm a lover of nature since i was born but i couldn't define who i am and what's my religion.. two years ago, i'd been met wicca and paganism.. i learn about wicca, you can ask me questions if you're not satisfied.. i'm not a wiccan for saying "i'm a wiccan!", it's my nature.. and i live in Turkey which was a shaman land in ancient times.. and i was initiated for cure art, Reiki 1 and 2, which is closely related with "light".. thats enough i think... Light & Blessings.. Moon devianandi <devi wrote: > > thanx for explanation, my Lady.. devi: your welcome, are you fairly young? maybe you can explain something to me about wicca? whats the equivalent to *becoming enlightened* and do you realize that the character you've created is an illusion? and that behind it is your real being?heres a quote of nisargaddatta:You have met many anchorites and astecs, but a fully realized man *conscious* of his *divinity* (swarupa) is hard to find. The saints and Yogis, by immense efforts and sacrifices, acquire may miraculous powers and can do much good in the way of helping people and inspiring faith, yet it does not make them *perfect*. It isnot a way to reality, but merely an enrichment of the false. All effort leads to more effort: whatever can be lost is not really one's own; and what is not your won of what use can it be to you? In my world nothis is pushed about, all happens by itself. All existence is in space and time, limited and tempory. I am not concerned either with "what exists" or with "who exists". i take my stand beyond, where i am both and neither.The persons who, after much effort and penance, have fullfilled their ambitions and secured higher levels of experience and action, are usually acutely conscious of their standng, they grad people into heirarchies, ranging from the lowest non-acheiver to the highest acheiver. To me all are equal. Differences is apparance and expression are there, but they do not matter. Just as the shape of a gold ornament does not affect the gold, so does man's essence remain unaffected. Where this sence of eqyality is lacking it means that reality had not been touched. Mere knowledge is not enough; the knowerr must be known. The Pandits and the Yogis may know many things, but of what use is mere knowledge when the self is not known. It will be certainly misused. Without the knowledge of the knower there can be no peace.question: how does one come to know the knower?nisargadatta:I can only tell you what i know from my own experience. When i et my Guru, he told me "You are not what you take yourself to be. Find out what you are. Watch the sese "I Am", find your real self" I obeyed him, becasue i trusted him. I did as he told me. All my spare time i would spend looking at myself in silence. And what a difference it made, and how soon! It took me only three years to realize my true nature. My Guru died soon after i met him, but it made no difference. I remembered what he told me anf persevered. The fruit of it is here, with me.question: what is it?nisargadatta: i know myself as i am in reality. I am neither the body, nor the mindm nor the mental faculities. I am beyond all these.question: Are you just nothing?nisargadatta: Come on, be reasonable. of course i am, most tangibley. Only i am not what you think me to be..This tells you all.pg 302 *I Am That***To change the message delivery options, go to /mygroups and choose from the drop-down list of message delivery options for this group. See "How to manage your groups link" for more detailed instructions: http://help./help/us/groups/mygroups/mygroups-09.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 > > i don't have to.. cause you'll not understand what means wicca on me.. and also you cannot interrogate me like this... i think this conduct is not RELATED WiTH WiCCA? > maybe i can say some sentences.. > you're right, i'm 19 years old.. but everyone was 19 years old, is this true? i'm a lover of nature since i was born but i couldn't define who i am and what's my religion.. two years ago, i'd been met wicca and paganism.. i learn about wicca, you can ask me questions if you're not satisfied.. > i'm not a wiccan for saying " i'm a wiccan! " , it's my nature.. > and i live in Turkey which was a shaman land in ancient times.. > and i was initiated for cure art, Reiki 1 and 2, which is closely related with " light " .. > thats enough i think... > > Light & Blessings.. > Moon > i have reiki 1 and have a massage therapist certification.. ok, enjoy yourself smiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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