Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 " <intensivists@h...> wrote: > Nisargadatta , " trem23 " <inmadison@h...> wrote: > > ... et al. > > > > The difference between the subtlest thing physics has discovered > and > > a thought, is like the difference between a brick and a thought. > > Dismissing the world as illusion is fruitless - since the thought > or > > feeling of " world is illusion " (re)establishes the world as real. > > The intellect is in no position to make such a delineation, since > > the intellect itself is in the 'illusion'. > > > > So where does the notion 'world as illusion' come from? > > > > Shankara (aka Mr. Advaita) uses the term 'superimposition', that > is, > > the world of appearances is superimposed upon Brahman. Brahman > > remains unchanged. (As images are reflected off the surface of a > > soap bubble, not changing the interior of the bubble. - Sir James > > Jeans) According to Shankara, the world is neither real, nor > > unreal, but disappears in the Light of Knowledge. > > > > 'Illusion' then is really a case of mistaken identity. We > > superimpose the ego upon the Ego, then moving outward, we impose > the > > world upon Brahman...and end up with " this house is mine " . > > > > Which gets back to Jade's comments about not knowing anything - > when > > in fact we do. I am not talking about skills and talents BUT the > > very simple abstract honest undeniable apparent Existence. > > Existence. And through it all, our true nature, the detached inner > > Self, lends consciousness to the mind and makes this whole show > > possible...and according to Nisargatta, this is all as close as > your > > next breath. > > > > Larry > > > Yes I understand all these . > > Caught in the cyclone of confusion I dwell at the periphery,which is > knowledge based. From knowledge I appear to know a possibility of > what could be at the calm and still centre or at the eye of the > cyclone. Yes I can visualise and appear to have a very good idea what > would happen if I move to the " CENTRE " . " Being " in the centre and > visualising it is poles apart or really a dimensional shift all > together. > > What we usually do is visualise about this and that ,talk in details > about Quantum mechanics ,advaita,yoga and Brahman but *being* at the > centre is a totally different proposition and this I call as > *Knowing*.To know is to *be*. > > If you are not yourself at the centre free from the peripheral > activities of associations,images and self-clinging ,you, I am sure > wont claim to *know* . > > For instance what do you *know* about Nisargadatta`s world,the world > which is impersonal and which contains us and everything. The world > which Nisargadatta Maharaj says is the real world and is right in > front of us waiting for us to arrive ... I confess i dont even know > an infinitesmal fraction of his world ..and do you? > > What good is it to describe to me in details the nature of the colour > *blue* without showing this colour to me and if I say I really dont > know this colour unless I see it, would I be wrong?? > > Calling someone`s ignorance bull-shit may only mean 2 > things...that " I " have " arrived " and " i " find your ignorance > illusory and that it needs to be shed off.. or I am so engrossed with > my knowledge gathered from literature,my fragmentary > experiences,pseudo-realisations,someone else's true experiences,my > own conditioning etc. that i claim to " know " and to be a possessor > and the source of this " knowledge " . > Which one could you be??? ( I am sure you would say I am niether...i > am that which is witnessed and also the witness)..... :-) > > Jade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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