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Nisargadatta , " jade_matrix999 "

<intensivists@h...> wrote:

> Nisargadatta , " trem23 " <inmadison@h...>

wrote:

> > ... et al.

> >

> > The difference between the subtlest thing physics has discovered

> and

> > a thought, is like the difference between a brick and a thought.

> > Dismissing the world as illusion is fruitless - since the thought

> or

> > feeling of " world is illusion " (re)establishes the world as real.

> > The intellect is in no position to make such a delineation, since

> > the intellect itself is in the 'illusion'.

> >

> > So where does the notion 'world as illusion' come from?

> >

> > Shankara (aka Mr. Advaita) uses the term 'superimposition', that

> is,

> > the world of appearances is superimposed upon Brahman. Brahman

> > remains unchanged. (As images are reflected off the surface of a

> > soap bubble, not changing the interior of the bubble. - Sir James

> > Jeans) According to Shankara, the world is neither real, nor

> > unreal, but disappears in the Light of Knowledge.

> >

> > 'Illusion' then is really a case of mistaken identity. We

> > superimpose the ego upon the Ego, then moving outward, we impose

> the

> > world upon Brahman...and end up with " this house is mine " .

> >

> > Which gets back to Jade's comments about not knowing anything -

> when

> > in fact we do. I am not talking about skills and talents BUT the

> > very simple abstract honest undeniable apparent Existence.

> > Existence. And through it all, our true nature, the detached

inner

> > Self, lends consciousness to the mind and makes this whole show

> > possible...and according to Nisargatta, this is all as close as

> your

> > next breath.

> >

> > Larry

>

>

> Yes I understand all these .

>

> Caught in the cyclone of confusion I dwell at the periphery,which

is

> knowledge based. From knowledge I appear to know a possibility of

> what could be at the calm and still centre or at the eye of the

> cyclone. Yes I can visualise and appear to have a very good idea

what

> would happen if I move to the " CENTRE " . " Being " in the centre and

> visualising it is poles apart or really a dimensional shift all

> together.

>

> What we usually do is visualise about this and that ,talk in

details

> about Quantum mechanics ,advaita,yoga and Brahman but *being* at

the

> centre is a totally different proposition and this I call as

> *Knowing*.To know is to *be*.

>

> If you are not yourself at the centre free from the peripheral

> activities of associations,images and self-clinging ,you, I am sure

> wont claim to *know* .

>

> For instance what do you *know* about Nisargadatta`s world,the

world

> which is impersonal and which contains us and everything. The world

> which Nisargadatta Maharaj says is the real world and is right in

> front of us waiting for us to arrive ... I confess i dont even know

> an infinitesmal fraction of his world ..and do you?

>

> What good is it to describe to me in details the nature of the

colour

> *blue* without showing this colour to me and if I say I really dont

> know this colour unless I see it, would I be wrong??

>

> Calling someone`s ignorance bull-shit may only mean 2

> things...that " I " have " arrived " and " i " find your ignorance

> illusory and that it needs to be shed off.. or I am so engrossed

with

> my knowledge gathered from literature,my fragmentary

> experiences,pseudo-realisations,someone else's true experiences,my

> own conditioning etc. that i claim to " know " and to be a possessor

> and the source of this " knowledge " .

> Which one could you be??? ( I am sure you would say I am

niether...i

> am that which is witnessed and also the witness)..... :-)

>

> Jade

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