Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Dan, Even a mere grunt communicates structure and rhythm, and therefore assumes. What we are trying to do is out-clever each other by UNifying* every word. Is this Nisargatta Machismo? ughg; and peace, Larry * pun fully intended Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > >> Understanding requires neither one to understand nor an object to > be understood. Understand? > > M. > > If not assuming someone there or not there, > why assume an understanding to be there? > > Who would be there to say there is or isn't > understanding? > > You say there are no objects, but referring > to understanding makes an object. > > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi Larry, You are so right! No, it isn't machismo. It's avaita chase your own tail. There is only one problem with that: our tail is faster, smarter than our head. Pete --- trem23 <inmadison wrote: > Dan, > > Even a mere grunt communicates structure and rhythm, > and therefore > assumes. > > What we are trying to do is out-clever each other by > UNifying* every > word. Is this Nisargatta Machismo? > > ughg; and peace, > Larry > > * pun fully intended > > > > Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > >> Understanding requires neither one to > understand nor an object > to > > be understood. Understand? > > > > M. > > > > If not assuming someone there or not there, > > why assume an understanding to be there? > > > > Who would be there to say there is or isn't > > understanding? > > > > You say there are no objects, but referring > > to understanding makes an object. > > > > > > Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi Larry -- > Even a mere grunt communicates structure and rhythm, and therefore > assumes. There is no assumption if one doesn't assume something. > What we are trying to do is out-clever each other by UNifying* every > word. Is this Nisargatta Machismo? Nice pun. I'm not trying to do that. I just like conversations related to insight. There is nothing for these words to do, accomplish, or make happen. > ughg; and peace, > Larry Peacughg, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi Pete -- > You are so right! > No, it isn't machismo. It's avaita chase your own > tail. > There is only one problem with that: our tail is > faster, smarter than our head. > > Pete Funny! There's another problem -- so many damned tails, so little time! -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 I think you are right about the Cleverness Trap. -Bill trem23 [inmadison] Monday, October 28, 2002 7:19 AM Nisargadatta Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) Dan, Even a mere grunt communicates structure and rhythm, and therefore assumes. What we are trying to do is out-clever each other by UNifying* every word. Is this Nisargatta Machismo? ughg; and peace, Larry * pun fully intended Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > >> Understanding requires neither one to understand nor an object to > be understood. Understand? > > M. > > If not assuming someone there or not there, > why assume an understanding to be there? > > Who would be there to say there is or isn't > understanding? > > You say there are no objects, but referring > to understanding makes an object. > > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Nah, Nah! Only One tail allowed. This is an Advaita list, remember? --- dan330033 <dan330033 wrote: > Hi Pete -- > > > You are so right! > > No, it isn't machismo. It's avaita chase your own > > tail. > > There is only one problem with that: our tail is > > faster, smarter than our head. > > > > Pete > > Funny! > > There's another problem -- > so many damned tails, > so little time! > > -- Dan > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > There is no assumption if one doesn't assume something. > Yes there is; " one " . andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. -Bill Bill Rishel [plexus] Monday, October 28, 2002 9:31 AM Nisargadatta RE: Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) I think you are right about the Cleverness Trap. -Bill trem23 [inmadison] Monday, October 28, 2002 7:19 AM Nisargadatta Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) Dan, Even a mere grunt communicates structure and rhythm, and therefore assumes. What we are trying to do is out-clever each other by UNifying* every word. Is this Nisargatta Machismo? ughg; and peace, Larry * pun fully intended Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > >> Understanding requires neither one to understand nor an object to > be understood. Understand? > > M. > > If not assuming someone there or not there, > why assume an understanding to be there? > > Who would be there to say there is or isn't > understanding? > > You say there are no objects, but referring > to understanding makes an object. > > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 Nisargadatta, pete seesaw <seesaw1us> wrote: > > Nah, Nah! Only One tail allowed. This is an Advaita > list, remember? You see how the tails multiply? Already in your comment there are yours, whomever you are addressing in your e-mail, and the list's. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 So, what were you lusting after when you posted this statement? -- Dan Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > There is no assumption if one doesn't assume something. > > > > > > > Yes there is; " one " . > > > > andrew > > You are assuming one. > > -- Dan > Yes I am, a fundamental and groundless assumption. With a whole lot more assumptions piled on top. andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Dan, I've been on this list too long to fall for such simple bait as that! -Bill dan330033 [dan330033] Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:32 AM Nisargadatta Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) So, what were you lusting after when you posted this statement? -- Dan Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > There is no assumption if one doesn't assume something. > > > > > > > > > > Yes there is; " one " . > > > > > > andrew > > > > You are assuming one. > > > > -- Dan > > > > Yes I am, a fundamental and groundless assumption. > With a whole lot more assumptions piled on top. > > andrew Yes. If that one can't hold or be held, then nothing that one holds is held. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 It's not bait, Bill. Just an arising question, that isn't answered, and dissolves ... -- Dan > Dan, I've been on this list too long to fall for > such simple bait as that! > > -Bill > > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:32 AM > Nisargadatta > Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) > > > So, what were you lusting after when > you posted this statement? > > -- Dan > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. > > > > -Bill > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 you mean like a lump of sugar in coffee? Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > It's not bait, Bill. > > Just an arising question, that > isn't answered, and dissolves ... > > -- Dan > > > > > Dan, I've been on this list too long to fall for > > such simple bait as that! > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > > Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:32 AM > > Nisargadatta > > Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) > > > > > > So, what were you lusting after when > > you posted this statement? > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. > > > > > > -Bill > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > > > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is no assumption if one doesn't assume something. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes there is; " one " . > > > > > > > > andrew > > > > > > You are assuming one. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > Yes I am, a fundamental and groundless assumption. > > With a whole lot more assumptions piled on top. > > > > andrew > > Yes. > > If that one can't hold or be held, then nothing that > one holds is held. > > -- Dan > It can't hold, It's only held in that without holding it I don't get up and out the door in the morning (yawn). andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 like a vapor in the mist ... -- Dan Nisargadatta, " Hur Guler " <hurg> wrote: > you mean like a lump of sugar in coffee? > > Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > It's not bait, Bill. > > > > Just an arising question, that > > isn't answered, and dissolves ... > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Dan, I've been on this list too long to fall for > > > such simple bait as that! > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > dan330033 [dan330033] > > > Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:32 AM > > > Nisargadatta > > > Re: Bill's Now (Machismo) > > > > > > > > > So, what were you lusting after when > > > you posted this statement? > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > > > In fact, I think cleverness is a mental form of lust. > > > > > > > > -Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2002 Report Share Posted October 31, 2002 > It can't hold, It's only held in that without holding it I don't get up and out the > door in the morning (yawn). > > andrew Things take care of themselves, without holding onto anything. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 dan330033 wrote: > > > It can't hold, It's only held in that without holding it I don't get > up and out the > > door in the morning (yawn). > > > > andrew > > Things take care of themselves, > without holding onto anything. > > -- Dan > I am the way things take care of themselves. andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 > I am the way things take care of themselves. Interesting comment. A variation I prefer: " Things take care of themselves. " Nice to get the " I " out of there. -Bill Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > It can't hold, It's only held in that without holding it I don't get > > up and out the > > > door in the morning (yawn). > > > > > > andrew > > > > Things take care of themselves, > > without holding onto anything. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > I am the way things take care of themselves. > > andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 The body-mind unit known as " andrew " , which refers to itself as " I " as subject or " me " as object, takes care of its daily business. In order for this process to occur, an assumption of identity takes place in this bmu; even though the knowledge of the assumption's groundlessness may be present; in a sort of willing suspension of reason. That's what I'm saying. andrew billrishel wrote: > > > I am the way things take care of themselves. > Interesting comment. > A variation I prefer: > " Things take care of themselves. " > > Nice to get the " I " out of there. > > -Bill > > Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > > dan330033 wrote: > > > > > > > It can't hold, It's only held in that without holding it I > don't get > > > up and out the > > > > door in the morning (yawn). > > > > > > > > andrew > > > > > > Things take care of themselves, > > > without holding onto anything. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > I am the way things take care of themselves. > > > > andrew > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 > I am the way things take care of themselves. > > andrew I think you can do a little better with that Iraq deal. Give George a call today, please. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Nisargadatta, " billrishel " <plexus@x> wrote: > > I am the way things take care of themselves. > Interesting comment. > A variation I prefer: > " Things take care of themselves. " > > Nice to get the " I " out of there. > > -Bill As Jesus said to John: I am the ways, the means, and the entire committee -- nah, too pompous sounding ... Hmmm, John ... how 'bout: I am the way, the truth, and the things taking care of themselves. Nope, doesn't quite get it. Any suggestions? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Nisargadatta, andrew macnab <a.macnab@n...> wrote: > The body-mind unit known as " andrew " , which refers to itself as " I " as subject or " me " > as object, takes care of its daily business. In order for this process to occur, an > assumption of identity takes place in this bmu; even though the knowledge of the > assumption's groundlessness may be present; in a sort of willing suspension of reason. > That's what I'm saying. > > andrew If Jesus has said that, no one would have written a book about him. -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2002 Report Share Posted November 1, 2002 Quite right!But purist will be purist, and they will always insist on grammatical purity. Pete --- andrew macnab & lt;a.macnab & gt; wrote: & gt; The body-mind unit known as & #34;andrew & #34;, which refers & gt; to itself as & #34;I & #34; as subject or & #34;me & #34; & gt; as object, takes care of its daily business. In & gt; order for this process to occur, an & gt; assumption of identity takes place in this bmu; even & gt; though the knowledge of the & gt; assumption's groundlessness may be present; in a & gt; sort of willing suspension of reason. & gt; That's what I'm saying. & gt; & gt; andrew & gt; & gt; & gt; billrishel wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I am the way things take care of themselves. & gt; & gt; Interesting comment. & gt; & gt; A variation I prefer: & gt; & gt; & #34;Things take care of themselves. & #34; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Nice to get the & #34;I & #34; out of there. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; -Bill & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Nisargadatta, andrew macnab & gt; & lt;a.macnab@n... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; dan330033 wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; It can't hold, It's only held in that & gt; without holding it I & gt; & gt; don't get & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; up and out the & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; door in the morning (yawn). & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; andrew & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Things take care of themselves, & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; without holding onto anything. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; -- Dan & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; I am the way things take care of themselves. & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; andrew & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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