Guest guest Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 --- Gregory Goode <goode wrote: Hi Greg, Thanks for that excellent response. My answers are between your text. > People struggling up the stairs in the dark, stages > of understanding, climbing, etc., are all great > images of used in the progressive path. The sense > behind what you are saying seems to be that when > people are struggling, they see themselves as > struggling. These progressive images make a great > deal of sense to them! And then for them to hear > that it's all perfect, that realization is > everywhere, even in the air the very air they are > breathing, might seem irrelevant. Why it can make > some of them downright angry, and I've seen it in > satsangs. I agree with this, and someone out there > talking about this stuff in public to everyone ought > to have some more helpful ways of speaking as well. Pete: Exactly > > I think that for many suffering people, it would be > found unhelpful and maybe even depressing to hear > that realization is something that overtakes the > body/mind and cannot be sustained (from your earlier > message): > > Realization has no where to manifest itself but > that > in a body-mind organism. Even after having been > used > as a realization vehicle, the organism remains > an > unreliable vehicle, incapable of sustaining > realization around the clock. > > I've heard people talk about it like this before, > and the audience goes into a funk of confusion. > They are thinking about realization as something > that can last forever. If not, then why bother? Pete: Yes, that could be true in some cases. But two of the biggest obstacles are: 1) Looking for an illusion called realization. Eg. eternal bliss, immutability, omnipotence, omniscience,supernatural powers etc. in other words mystical Disneyland. There are many wonderful insights in realization, bliss, clarity, intelligence, wisdom, spontaneity and many other incredible states, but they all come and go and return again as clouds in the sky. The central unchanging point is, there is no one to object to anything. Suffering as mental anguish has ceased because there is no one to suffer. 2) The second biggest obstacle is the search itself. That feeling of dissatisfaction, I'm not there yet. The search is the activity of the imaginary self. As long as the activity is there, the self is there. Rest and quietude are no-self. > > So let me ask you, what is this thing you are > calling realization that comes and goes? Pete: Those manifestations named in #1. Beyond that there is the coming home to the Being/Not being that we are, has been, and always will be, that impenetrable, inexhaustible, unknowable. So what is that? That is us at complete rest. Are we looking for that? Can a mind body organism remain at rest for months. Obviously not,and we need not to. We can't fall out of our true nature. I know you will make allowances for the limitations imposed by language, and my own powers of expression. Love, Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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