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Hi Larry --

 

> I can use the word NOW and even capitalize it to boot but I was

> using it in temporal sense - as in present moment. But I have seen

> the error of my ways and will everytime use it in the timeless way.

 

Time is conceptuality.

 

In conceptuality, now is sandwiched between yesterday

and tomorrow.

 

Nonconceptually, experientially, now is never another

time -- the yesterday arises as a memory put together

and experienced now, the tomorrow arises as an

imagination and expectation experienced now.

 

There is no now that isn't now.

 

You can't use it in a timeless way, because

timeless being always is the case, regardless

of how you use the words you use.

 

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> > Does that mean you won't mind when I say that

> > such bliss is transitory and conceptual?

> >

>

> If you say that one more time I will cry a little bit, then take

> temporary refuge in the Upanishads.

 

Between which pages should I look for you?

 

> I had a girlfriend who was a smart-ass, blind fold her, sit her buck

> nekked on a ice cream cone, and she could tell you the flavor.

 

I guess she was smart, compliant with authority,

and often went hungry.

 

> BTW, I consistantly then passed on the cone.

 

But ate the ice cream?

 

-- Dan

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>>Correct me if I'm wrong and I didnt bother to read all the messages

concerning " Bill's Now " but isn't

now continuously changing?

 

Compared with what?

 

>> When a leaf falls from a tree and decomposes into soil where has

the leaf gone?

 

The leaf is constructed from your point of view.

 

Now is just a word for what has no point of view to it.

 

>>I am of the opinion that neither past present nor future exists. So

I think to say even the simple eloquent statement: " Now is, " is

somewhat ignorant.

 

That judgment is just a thought that occurs to you now.

 

Pay it no mind ... :-)

 

> To say that something is implies that it was as

well.

 

To think of now as a something is ignorant.

 

> The " continuation of the past " that pete or somebody mentioned. And

Now is a continuation of yestersecond.....but not really.

 

Now is not at all a continuation of anything.

 

> May all of you and those close to you and those close to them be

free of suffering.

 

What about those I'm not close to?

 

What do you have against them?

 

-- Dan

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> >>Correct me if I'm wrong and I didnt bother to read all the messages

>concerning "Bill's Now" but isn't >now continuously changing? >

>Compared with what?

 

> >> When a leaf falls from a tree and decomposes into soil where has >the leaf gone? > >The leaf is constructed from your point of view. > >Now is just a word for what has no point of view to it. > > >>I am of the opinion that neither past present nor future exists. So >I think to say even the simple eloquent statement: "Now is," is >somewhat ignorant. > >That judgment is just a thought that occurs to you now. > >Pay it no mind ... :-) > > > To say that something is implies that it was as > well. > >To think of now as a something is ignorant. > > > The "continuation of the past" that pete or somebody mentioned. And >Now is a continuation of yestersecond.....but not really. > >Now is not at all a continuation of anything. > > > May all of you and those close to you and those close to them be >free of suffering. > >What about those I'm not close to? > >What do you have against them? > >-- Dan >

Yeah youre right I talk to much

 

 

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And if I don't kiss you

that kiss is untasted.

I'll never, never get it back.

But why should I want to,

I'll be in the next moment.

Sweet moment

Sweet Lover

Sweet Now.

 

" This Moment " by Incredible Sring Band

 

 

Nisargadatta, bardsley@c... wrote:

> Hi Dan, Larry,

>

> This, for me, is the insight upon which hangs every other:

>

> > Nonconceptually, experientially, now is never another

> > time -- the yesterday arises as a memory put together

> > and experienced now, the tomorrow arises as an

> > imagination and expectation experienced now.

> >

> > There is no now that isn't now.

>

> It's easy to understand isn't it?; immediately and obviously

available to everyone both logically and intuitively, not even

paradoxical, absolutely irrefutable and utterly simple. If it can

actually be experienced then experiencing ends, would never have

begun, wouldn't it? And that's the paradox.

>

> Thanks for reminding me of this Dan.

>

> Grant

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Hi Dan, Larry,

 

This, for me, is the insight upon which hangs every other:

 

> Nonconceptually, experientially, now is never another

> time -- the yesterday arises as a memory put together

> and experienced now, the tomorrow arises as an

> imagination and expectation experienced now.

>

> There is no now that isn't now.

 

It's easy to understand isn't it?; immediately and obviously available to

everyone both logically and intuitively, not even paradoxical, absolutely

irrefutable and utterly simple. If it can actually be experienced then

experiencing ends, would never have begun, wouldn't it? And that's the paradox.

 

Thanks for reminding me of this Dan.

 

Grant

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Nisargadatta, bardsley@c... wrote:

> Hi Dan, Larry,

>

> This, for me, is the insight upon which hangs every other:

>

> > Nonconceptually, experientially, now is never another

> > time -- the yesterday arises as a memory put together

> > and experienced now, the tomorrow arises as an

> > imagination and expectation experienced now.

> >

> > There is no now that isn't now.

>

> It's easy to understand isn't it?; immediately and obviously

available to everyone both logically and intuitively, not even

paradoxical, absolutely irrefutable and utterly simple. If it can

actually be experienced then experiencing ends, would never have

begun, wouldn't it? And that's the paradox.

>

> Thanks for reminding me of this Dan.

>

> Grant

 

Hi Grant --

 

Yes.

 

The " core " understanding is extremely simple,

too simple for even the word simple,

because no opposition pertains, such

as simple/complex.

 

This simplicity is too obvious to be

obvious, too available for the word

available to apply (as availability

implies withholding is possible).

 

Yes, experiencing implies time, which

implies contrast and comparison.

 

No experiencing is occurring, except

conceptually, which is, within

the field of oppositions applying

(such as now/then, hot/cold).

 

There is literally nothing to this --

nothing to learn about it,

no religion that must adhere,

no separations whatsoever that

have ever arisen, which would

need to be fixed or changed.

 

Nothing stands in the way.

 

Only we stand in our own way,

convinced that oppositions

are required for knowing

and being, unable to

realize that they never

defined or pertained ever.

 

We believe we are arising as

a conceptual entity within

the field of the known and

perceived, an entity which moves

from the past into the

future, and whom the present

moves by, into the past.

 

The real paradox isn't that

nothing has taken place.

 

It's that time is construed

as if happening, requiring

movement in two directions

simultaneously -- events

moving into the past,

events being brought forward,

events moving by me,

and me being brought forward

to the future.

 

The paradox is that the conventional,

common sense notion of time happening

to me and for me, makes sense to me.

 

That paradox is the arising of conceptuality,

of opposition -- which happens because

happening is conceptuality.

 

Peace,

Dan

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Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote:

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> The paradox is that the conventional,

> common sense notion of time happening

> to me and for me, makes sense to me.

>

> That paradox is the arising of conceptuality,

> of opposition -- which happens because

> happening is conceptuality.

>

> Peace,

> Dan

 

Pretty thin slicing there, Dan.

A real work of art. Mighty fine indeed.

Wouldn't serve it with nachos every time...but it'll do.

 

Actually, yes it is so obvious that it isn't.

That's the paradox alright.

Nothing need exist at all. Pondering this it all fades away.

No thought. No keyboard. No fingers.

ohmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yawn...

 

How about rock'em sock'em full blown ahead change the world by

changing oneself Realization! yay!

 

huh?

 

yeh, sure. cosmic divine beams of radient love

pouring forth from the never ending source

of life love and mystery - yummy!

 

and sure enough somebody wants sprinkles on thier big heaping

scoop of ThatCream. I like hot fudge.

 

Anyhoo, excellent wordsmithing Dan.

 

hot buttered namastes! - michael

 

hello there - is it time for pie? - michael

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> The " core " understanding is extremely simple,

> too simple for even the word simple,

> because no opposition pertains, such

> as simple/complex.

This understanding is not an " understanding of " .

Here the understanding is necessarily non-distinct

from the understood.

 

-Bill

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>

> > The " core " understanding is extremely simple,

> > too simple for even the word simple,

> > because no opposition pertains, such

> > as simple/complex.

>This understanding is not an " understanding of " .

>Here the understanding is necessarily non-distinct

>from the understood.

>

>-Bill

>

Rather the understander is necessarily non-distinct from the understood and

what remains is the understanding.

>

M

>

>

 

 

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Nisargadatta, " " <@h...> wrote:

>

>

>

> >

> > > The " core " understanding is extremely simple,

> > > too simple for even the word simple,

> > > because no opposition pertains, such

> > > as simple/complex.

> >This understanding is not an " understanding of " .

> >Here the understanding is necessarily non-distinct

> >from the understood.

> >

> >-Bill

> >

> Rather the understander is necessarily non-distinct from the

understood and

> what remains is the understanding.

> >

> M

> >

 

not even close - heeheehee

 

ciao - michael

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> hello there - is it time for pie? - michael

 

Yes, it's just about that time.

 

For a nanosecond of rhyme.

 

Pie in the face for the human race.

 

Blackbirds bake, time to shake.

 

Pizza pi, who am I, squared by lightspeed,

 

Never a need,

 

Never arriving where I already am,

 

Just some more spam ...

 

Lightening up and darkening down,

 

Too much light to have a frown,

 

Batten down the hatches mate,

 

It's all just a matter of fate,

 

Not even a nanosecond to equilibrate,

 

Just glad for this tete a tete,

 

Dan

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Understanding arises with what is understood,

in mutual definition.

 

Such knowing is beyond understanding,

Such understanding is beyond knowing,

 

Knownothing Dan

 

Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > The " core " understanding is extremely simple,

> > too simple for even the word simple,

> > because no opposition pertains, such

> > as simple/complex.

> This understanding is not an " understanding of " .

> Here the understanding is necessarily non-distinct

> from the understood.

>

> -Bill

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> >

> > not even close - heeheehee > > > > ciao - michael > >True -- there's no place > for either an understander > or an understanding to occur ... > >-- Dan

Understanding requires neither one to understand nor an object to be understood. Understand?

 

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>> Understanding requires neither one to understand nor an object to

be understood. Understand?

 

M.

 

If not assuming someone there or not there,

why assume an understanding to be there?

 

Who would be there to say there is or isn't

understanding?

 

You say there are no objects, but referring

to understanding makes an object.

 

 

Dan

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