Digest Number 659

[Guest guest]

Dear Anand

 

I am tempted to respond because you say that honesty is lacking in this

group. I just that I should honestly share my feelings with this group.

 

I joined this group about a week back. I am still reading " I am that " . I am

on page 250 of I am that and am immensely enjoying that experience. I

started reading this book with a lot of apprehensions as to whether this

book will turn out to be a purely intellectual excercise. I find now that I

am charmed by this old man and my love for him seems to be growing. I can

see a little of deep respect growing for this person. I joined this list

just to meet others who share this feeling. And I see that it is

so....except that it was not in the manner that I thought.

 

Anand, I just want you to know that I neither ridicule you or call you

anyother names(ofcourse I really do not know that you really did not want to

know) . I should admit that I felt a little miserable when I saw the term

Asshole juxtaposed alongside Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Then I also

understood that I am only facing my own feelings and limitations and

understood it as such. I think everybody here are honest to themselves and

that is what really matters. When it gets to words, you from your own

experience know how far we can get. I shall try not to hurt anybody's

feelings on this list. On the contrary, I shall positively try to encourage

objective posts and enhance my understanding(that is the only purpose for me

to be here). That much I can attempt. I have said my piece and now I shall

relax and enjoy some more exchange of words.

 

love and regards

 

 

Sunil

 

 

Go on. Curse me , ridicule me , call me an asshole

> , call me insane.

>

>

> All I request you to do in return is analyse if you

> have the courage to stand for nothing , no " I am that "

> , no seeking , nothing divine.

>

> Seekers can but be miserable. Accept that. That is

> your Truth, not " I am that " which is just a concept in

> your world.

>

> I find honesty grossly lacking in this group.

>

> As to my " wisdom " , why do you trust Nisargadatta

> and not me? Because I arrogantly proclaim to you that

> " I am that " ? Why do you see contradictions there?

>

> ------

> Anand.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

 

Pardon me; just briefly:

perhaps an expense of one's transcripting or cutting and pasting the

words of " great advaitin thinkers " hahahahahaha...is inauthenticity

of self-expression and the accusation from others of fawning; it's a

view of some merit.

 

The work of self-cultivation is our own, like any other. Some

spokespersons of nondualism (whatever) are more strident and skip no

beat in poking fun at the " silliness " of seekership.

Presently my favorite is UG.

But others see more in the role of a teacher, to helping inquirers

understand perplexing matters.

The following short excerpt points to a certain " warm " spirit in the

Nisargadatta satsangh.

 

 

 

 

Q: You mean to say that while you can share the manner of your

achievement, you cannot share the fruits?

 

M: Of course I can share the fruits and I am doing so all the time.

But mine is a silent language. Learn to listen and understand.

 

Q: I do not see how one can begin without conviction.

 

M. Stay with me for some time, or give your mind to what I say and do

and conviction will dawn.

 

Q: Not everybody has the chance of meeting you.

 

M: Meet your own self. Be with your own self, listen to it, obey it,

cherish it, keep it in mind ceaselessly. You need no other guide. As

long as your urge for truth affects your daily life, all is well with

you. Live your life without hurting anybody. Harmlessness is a most

powerful form of Yoga and it will take you speedily to you goal. This

is what I call nisarga yoga, the Natural Yoga. It is the art of

living in peace and harmony, in friendliness and love. the fruit of

it is happiness, uncaused and endless.

 

......M: be interested, give attention, until a current of mutual

understanding is established. Then the sharing will be easy. As a

matter of fact, all realization is only sharing. You enter a wider

consciousness and share in it. Unvillingness to enter and to share is

the only hindrance. I never talk of differences, for to me there are

none. You do, so it is up to you to show them to me. By all means,

show me the differences. For this you will have to understand me, but

then you will no longer talk of differences. What prevents you from

knowing is not the lack of opportunity, but the lack of ability to

focus in your mind what you want to understand. If you could but keep

in mind what you do not know, it would reveal to you its secrets. But

if you are shallow and impatient, not earnest enough to look and

wait, you are like a child crying for the moon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta, " Sunil " <sudhakar_sunil@h...> wrote:

> Dear Anand

>

> I am tempted to respond because you say that honesty is lacking in

this

> group. I just that I should honestly share my feelings with this

group.

>

> I joined this group about a week back. I am still reading " I am

that " . I am

> on page 250 of I am that and am immensely enjoying that experience.

I

> started reading this book with a lot of apprehensions as to whether

this

> book will turn out to be a purely intellectual excercise. I find

now that I

> am charmed by this old man and my love for him seems to be growing.

I can

> see a little of deep respect growing for this person. I joined this

list

> just to meet others who share this feeling. And I see that it is

> so....except that it was not in the manner that I thought.

>

> Anand, I just want you to know that I neither ridicule you or call

you

> anyother names(ofcourse I really do not know that you really did

not want to

> know) . I should admit that I felt a little miserable when I saw

the term

> Asshole juxtaposed alongside Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Then I also

> understood that I am only facing my own feelings and limitations and

> understood it as such. I think everybody here are honest to

themselves and

> that is what really matters. When it gets to words, you from your

own

> experience know how far we can get. I shall try not to hurt

anybody's

> feelings on this list. On the contrary, I shall positively try to

encourage

> objective posts and enhance my understanding(that is the only

purpose for me

> to be here). That much I can attempt. I have said my piece and now

I shall

> relax and enjoy some more exchange of words.

>

> love and regards

>

>

> Sunil

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list, Sunil, and especially to the Being of

Nisargadatta; which is also our Being. I do believe the majority of

members try to be honest and respectfull. Yet 'truth' can be seen

oft times to be sifted through belief or understanding. And seldom

from over zealos conviction. Through translation or agenda

contradictions can also appear. As some of the discussion of the

Buddha indicate. An example from recent times is with Nisargadatta.

One discourse i witnessed led to three translators arguing for

considerable time as to what he had said. Finially Mr.Sapre, 1 of

the 3 related the problem as such. Maharaj likes to portray himself

as almost illerate. Yet his use of Marathi is very intricate and

creative. He has just beautifully conbined several aspects of

language into a new form that is both simple and complicated, and we

are unable to put that in English. All we can do is provide an

approximate that can not convey what he has proclaimed.

John (Also memory is a factor, as I am sure this is not an

exact rendering.) Nisargadatta, " Sunil "

<sudhakar_sunil@h...> wrote:

> Dear Anand

>

> I am tempted to respond because you say that honesty is lacking in

this

> group. I just that I should honestly share my feelings with this

group.

>

> I joined this group about a week back. I am still reading " I am

that " . I am

> on page 250 of I am that and am immensely enjoying that experience.

I

> started reading this book with a lot of apprehensions as to whether

this

> book will turn out to be a purely intellectual excercise. I find

now that I

> am charmed by this old man and my love for him seems to be growing.

I can

> see a little of deep respect growing for this person. I joined this

list

> just to meet others who share this feeling. And I see that it is

> so....except that it was not in the manner that I thought.

>

> Anand, I just want you to know that I neither ridicule you or call

you

> anyother names(ofcourse I really do not know that you really did

not want to

> know) . I should admit that I felt a little miserable when I saw

the term

> Asshole juxtaposed alongside Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Then I also

> understood that I am only facing my own feelings and limitations and

> understood it as such. I think everybody here are honest to

themselves and

> that is what really matters. When it gets to words, you from your

own

> experience know how far we can get. I shall try not to hurt

anybody's

> feelings on this list. On the contrary, I shall positively try to

encourage

> objective posts and enhance my understanding(that is the only

purpose for me

> to be here). That much I can attempt. I have said my piece and now

I shall

> relax and enjoy some more exchange of words.

>

> love and regards

>

>

> Sunil

>

>

> Go on. Curse me , ridicule me , call me an asshole

> > , call me insane.

> >

> >

> > All I request you to do in return is analyse if you

> > have the courage to stand for nothing , no " I am that "

> > , no seeking , nothing divine.

> >

> > Seekers can but be miserable. Accept that. That is

> > your Truth, not " I am that " which is just a concept in

> > your world.

> >

> > I find honesty grossly lacking in this group.

> >

> > As to my " wisdom " , why do you trust Nisargadatta

> > and not me? Because I arrogantly proclaim to you that

> > " I am that " ? Why do you see contradictions there?

> >

> > ------

> > Anand.