Bill--Where can the pure land be [Dan, why Jung didn't meet Ramana]

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Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dan330033 [dan330033]

> > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > > > > Look " here " ?

> > > > > How absurd.

> > > > > It's the one place looking can't go to.

> > > >

> > > > I agree.

> > > >

> > > > And if looking can't go there,

> > > > how is it that you have

> > > > named it " here " ?

> > > " Here " is simply a term that is chosen.

> > > No explanation.

> > >

> > > " Here " is where these words come from.

> > > " Here " is all there is.

> > > No " I " is needed here.

> > > Yet as words arise from " here " , the terms 'I',

> > > 'you', 'me' may arise. Convenience words. No

> > > more. The words from " here " are about connotation,

> > > implicit pointing. Forget denotation regarding

> > > words from " here " .

> > >

> > > A poem:

> > >

> > > Here

> > >

> > > I abide here,

> > > knowing I am not.

> > > " I am " is a foreign notion.

> > >

> > > I have found the Heart.

> > > It is not in the chest.

> > > That was illusion.

> > > It is simply *here*.

> > > Where else could it be?

> > > *Here* is the Residence,

> > > the Abode.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Is it " here " as opposed to " there " ?

> > > No. " Here " is all there is.

> > >

> > >

> > > -Bill

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your poem.

> >

> > And this has never been named, nor spoken.

> >

> > This has never been observed or thought.

> >

> > There has never been an " I experience "

> > to be dropped.

> >

> > So, pass me some ketchup before my french

> > fries get cold.

> >

> > :-)

> > -- Dan

> >

> Dan,

>

> Your response is clearly quite cynical.

> Which is fine. There is honesty in it.

>

> And I am not dismayed that the former message

> fell flat for you.

>

> It is not really important that anyone understands.

>

> Nevertheless, words continue to arise.

> What *reason* need there be?

>

> It is not about boiling down into words, not

> from this end.

>

> Here it isn't even *experience*.

>

> I know it is hard to believe there would be

> no subjective continuity.

>

> How can that be?

>

> Well, it can be. How doesn't matter.

>

> Studying the entrails of words that come from

> Here will give no clues.

>

> Here is. It needn't be more complicated than that.

> And it isn't.

>

> -Bill

 

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Bill:

 

Wordless " Here " has no boundaries.

Wordless " Here " is All There Is.

 

But then again, how would " I " know?

" I " am nothing but a speck of undigested hamburger.

 

Now pass Dan his katsup.

 

El

 

 

..

[Guest guest]

> Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dan330033 [dan330033]

> > > > > Nisargadatta, " Bill Rishel " <plexus@x> wrote:

> > > > > > Look " here " ?

> > > > > > How absurd.

> > > > > > It's the one place looking can't go to.

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree.

> > > > >

> > > > > And if looking can't go there,

> > > > > how is it that you have

> > > > > named it " here " ?

> > > > " Here " is simply a term that is chosen.

> > > > No explanation.

> > > >

> > > > " Here " is where these words come from.

> > > > " Here " is all there is.

> > > > No " I " is needed here.

> > > > Yet as words arise from " here " , the terms 'I',

> > > > 'you', 'me' may arise. Convenience words. No

> > > > more. The words from " here " are about connotation,

> > > > implicit pointing. Forget denotation regarding

> > > > words from " here " .

> > > >

> > > > A poem:

> > > >

> > > > Here

> > > >

> > > > I abide here,

> > > > knowing I am not.

> > > > " I am " is a foreign notion.

> > > >

> > > > I have found the Heart.

> > > > It is not in the chest.

> > > > That was illusion.

> > > > It is simply *here*.

> > > > Where else could it be?

> > > > *Here* is the Residence,

> > > > the Abode.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Is it " here " as opposed to " there " ?

> > > > No. " Here " is all there is.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > -Bill

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing your poem.

> > >

> > > And this has never been named, nor spoken.

> > >

> > > This has never been observed or thought.

> > >

> > > There has never been an " I experience "

> > > to be dropped.

> > >

> > > So, pass me some ketchup before my french

> > > fries get cold.

> > >

> > > :-)

> > > -- Dan

> > >

> > Dan,

> >

> > Your response is clearly quite cynical.

> > Which is fine. There is honesty in it.

> >

> > And I am not dismayed that the former message

> > fell flat for you.

> >

> > It is not really important that anyone understands.

> >

> > Nevertheless, words continue to arise.

> > What *reason* need there be?

> >

> > It is not about boiling down into words, not

> > from this end.

> >

> > Here it isn't even *experience*.

> >

> > I know it is hard to believe there would be

> > no subjective continuity.

> >

> > How can that be?

> >

> > Well, it can be. How doesn't matter.

> >

> > Studying the entrails of words that come from

> > Here will give no clues.

> >

> > Here is. It needn't be more complicated than that.

> > And it isn't.

> >

> > -Bill

>

> ------------------------------

>

> Bill:

>

> Wordless " Here " has no boundaries.

> Wordless " Here " is All There Is.

>

> But then again, how would " I " know?

> " I " am nothing but a speck of undigested hamburger.

>

> Now pass Dan his katsup.

>

> El

 

Good suggestion El.

Here you are Dan!

 

-Bill