Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Spiritual Quest, Part II In meditating on " I am " , it strikes me that simply " I " is more fundamental than " I am " . There must be an " I " before there can be an " I am " . I meditate on " I " . I say " I " to myself and observe. But I am seeking the source, the deepest origination of this " I " . So I say to myself not " I " , but the tiniest, fractional initial syllable of " I " . I say to myself just the initial aspirant breath of speaking " I " . I witness in myself just the initial intent of speaking " I " . Over and over, as an endless string of beads, this initial spark of intent streams out. And I witness that stream. And I know that whatever I am is beyond that stream. What I am ultimately is beyond even the intent. -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Yes, this is what Sri Ramana Maharshi told people to do, follow the 'I' back to its source by saying I-I, I-I, I-I. Not just repeating I-I mentally, but by finding the sense of 'I' or I-ness and see from where it arose. A --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > > Spiritual Quest, Part II > > In meditating on " I am " , it strikes me that > simply > " I " is more fundamental than " I am " . There must > be > an " I " before there can be an " I am " . > > I meditate on " I " . I say " I " to myself and > observe. > > But I am seeking the source, the deepest > origination > of this " I " . So I say to myself not " I " , but the > > tiniest, fractional initial syllable of " I " . I > say > to myself just the initial aspirant breath of > speaking " I " . I witness in myself just the > initial > intent of speaking " I " . > > Over and over, as an endless string of beads, > this > initial spark of intent streams out. And I > witness > that stream. > > And I know that whatever I am is beyond that > stream. > What I am ultimately is beyond even the intent. > > > > > > -Bill > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Maharshi, Verse 30: 30. If one enquires 'Who am I?' within the mind, the individual 'I' falls down abashed as soon as one reaches the Heart and immediately Reality manifests itself spontaneously as 'I-I'. Although it reveals itself as 'I', it is not the ego but the Perfect Being, the Absolute Self. Per this verse then, the souce is to be found in the Heart. Notice he doesn't refer to " saying " 'I-I', but indicates that Reality spontaneously manifests itself as 'I-I'. -Bill Achala [ramanachala108] Yes, this is what Sri Ramana Maharshi told people to do, follow the 'I' back to its source by saying I-I, I-I, I-I. Not just repeating I-I mentally, but by finding the sense of 'I' or I-ness and see from where it arose. A --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > > Spiritual Quest, Part II > > In meditating on " I am " , it strikes me that > simply > " I " is more fundamental than " I am " . There must > be > an " I " before there can be an " I am " . > > I meditate on " I " . I say " I " to myself and > observe. > > But I am seeking the source, the deepest > origination > of this " I " . So I say to myself not " I " , but the > > tiniest, fractional initial syllable of " I " . I > say > to myself just the initial aspirant breath of > speaking " I " . I witness in myself just the > initial > intent of speaking " I " . > > Over and over, as an endless string of beads, > this > initial spark of intent streams out. And I > witness > that stream. > > And I know that whatever I am is beyond that > stream. > What I am ultimately is beyond even the intent. > > > > > > -Bill > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Yes, But see here where he says: " Think 'I' 'I' 'I' and hold to that one thought to the exclusion of all others. " Talks #266 Another time he told a women it would be enough if she just repeated 'I'. I dont know where to find the quote. Like it says in the quote you sent, " enquire 'Who am I?' " (which puts attention on the I- thought) " and the individual 'I' falles and the Absolute Reality Reveals itself as 'I-I' " . So what I meant to covey is: attention paid to 'I' or 'I am' is the tool to bring about the falling of the false individual 'I' and the revealing of the Real. Bill, I think we are trying to make the same point, but the words get in the way. A --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > Maharshi, Verse 30: > > 30. If one enquires 'Who am I?' within the mind, > the > individual 'I' falls down abashed as soon as one > reaches > the Heart and immediately Reality manifests itself > > spontaneously as 'I-I'. Although it reveals itself > as > 'I', it is not the ego but the Perfect Being, the > Absolute Self. > > Per this verse then, the souce is to be found in the > Heart. > Notice he doesn't refer to " saying " 'I-I', but > indicates that > Reality spontaneously manifests itself as 'I-I'. > > -Bill > > Achala [ramanachala108] > > Yes, this is what Sri Ramana Maharshi told people > to > > do, follow the 'I' back to its source by saying > > I-I, I-I, I-I. > > Not just repeating I-I mentally, but by finding > the > > sense of 'I' or I-ness and see from where it > arose. > > A > > --- Bill Rishel <plexus wrote: > > > > Spiritual Quest, Part II > > > > In meditating on " I am " , it strikes me that > > simply > > " I " is more fundamental than " I am " . There > must > > be > > an " I " before there can be an " I am " . > > > > I meditate on " I " . I say " I " to myself and > > observe. > > > > But I am seeking the source, the deepest > > origination > > of this " I " . So I say to myself not " I " , but > the > > > > tiniest, fractional initial syllable of " I " . I > > say > > to myself just the initial aspirant breath of > > speaking " I " . I witness in myself just the > > initial > > intent of speaking " I " . > > > > Over and over, as an endless string of beads, > > this > > initial spark of intent streams out. And I > > witness > > that stream. > > > > And I know that whatever I am is beyond that > > stream. > > What I am ultimately is beyond even the > intent. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > > > > > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & > http://sbc. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 > >--- Bill Rishel wrote: > > > > Spiritual Quest, Part II > > > > In meditating on "I am", it strikes me that > > simply > > "I" is more fundamental than "I am". There must > > be > > an "I" before there can be an "I am". > > > > I meditate on "I". I say "I" to myself and > > observe. > > > > But I am seeking the source, the deepest > > origination > > of this "I". So I say to myself not "I", but the > > > > tiniest, fractional initial syllable of "I". I > > say > > to myself just the initial aspirant breath of > > speaking "I". I witness in myself just the > > initial > > intent of speaking "I". > > > > Over and over, as an endless string of beads, > > this > > initial spark of intent streams out. And I > > witness > > that stream. > > > > And I know that whatever I am is beyond that > > stream. > > What I am ultimately is beyond even the intent. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Bill > > Damn man youre poetry should be published. Music.Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2002 Report Share Posted September 19, 2002 Yes, excellent. Intent. Thats the culprit. Watch the intent, but who is intenting to watch what? Just watch, unintentless attention. That's the key. Pete New DSL Internet Access from SBC & http://sbc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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