Newbie a little confused

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If the world that I see is not real, and my body isn't real, then the people

I meet can't be real either. Does that mean they are completely imaginary,

or do they to have a real self too? If that were so, our worlds/illusions

would be intertwined.

 

If I was never born, then my mother doesn't exist, or she imagined it. I'm

confused!

 

Stuart

www.stu.org.uk

[Guest guest]

Stuart,

 

The Vedas suggest that the entire universe has been created by our own mind.

They say there is only one mind, the one and only cosmic mind and that is

the mind of each one of us! Each one of us is said to be in possession of a

cosmic mind. There is only one mind, according to Vedanta, since there is

only one consciousness. The consciousness of each one of us is a reflection

of the one and only cosmic consciousness, which is the creator, maintainer

and dissolver of everything in the universe

 

 

Once we have a glimpse of the omnipresent nature of our consciousness, once

we have a glimpse of a field of existence that is indeed the omnipresent

source of all that exists, we naturally start to be aware of the

interconnectedness of all levels of creation. Once we have seen the whole,

we start to recognise the parts as expressions of the whole. Since the whole

is holistic in its nature, its expressions are holistic representations of

the whole. Wherever is the body, there are the limbs, wherever are the lims,

there is the body

Since the wholeness is expressed in every part, and since the wholeness is

contained in every part we can also speak of a holographic structure of the

Vedic text, that has given rise to a holographic structure of creation

The remarkable thing about the home of all the Laws of Nature, the

Constitution of the Universe, is that it is independent of space and time.

As a matter of fact, this Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature is the

source of all force and matter fields and as such, it is a transcendental

reality. No one has ever seen a Law of Nature. We can only see the effect of

a Law of Nature. No one has ever seen gravity, we can only deduce its

omnipresent and universal presence by the effects that it create, like

apples falling, galaxies moving around each other etc.

The fact that the unified field is completely abstract means further that it

is present everywhere, in all of space and time. At every point of creation

the total value of the unified field is ever present. Every point of

creation contains the infinity. This is a quantum mechanical truth, and we

as human beings, living in a three-dimensional , classical world, will have

to get used to this way of thinking. On the quantum mechanical level,

infinity can be present at every point. The source of creation is present in

every point of creation!

This makes the unified field a perfect example of a holographic reality. A

hologram is a photographic picture that is composed of a great number of

small parts, all of which contain the picture as a whole. When we break up

the hologram in many pieces, we end up with as many small but complete

pictures of the whole. Poetically speaking, we can take the ocean as another

good example of a holographic reality: Since the ocean is nothing but water

we can say that the ocean is contained in every drop.

 

A similar situation we find in a seed: the entire structure of the tree is

contained in it. Stronger even: all future generations of the tree are

contained in a single seed. An equally striking example of a holographic

reality we find in our own case: every cell of our body contains the

complete information about the entire mind-body system. Each of the 100

billion cells that make up the body contains the complete version of the

original DNA, that was the source of the entire body!

 

The same holographic principle holds good on the level of our subjectivity

as well. According to the Upanishads, as we saw before, the individual soul

or Jiva, is nothing but a kind of mirror of the universal soul, Brahman -

each individual soul contains the cosmos as a whole.

 

The fact regarding the holographic structure of the unified field,

discovered by modern quantum physics, and confirmed by ancient Vedic

Science, forms the ultimate explanation of the fact that all the layers of

creation are analogous to each other. Knowing about the holographic

structure of the ultimate cause of creation, it is only logical to find that

all layers of creation are analogous to each other. We could also phrase it

in a slightly different way: all levels of creation are analogous to each

other, simply because each level of creation is an expression of the whole

of creation.

 

This holographic principle is applicable throughout creation, simply because

it is embodied in the very nature of the unified field, in the very nature

of pure consciousness, the omnipresent source of creation. Thus it will not

be wrong to say that if we really understand what the tiny lines on the palm

of our hand have to say, we would understand our past, our present and our

future. If we really are able to know what the tiny impulses in our radial

pulse have to say, we would know the entire story of our mind-body system.

If we really know what these tiny spots in the iris of our eyes have to say,

we would know the whole condition of our mind, body and soul.

 

If we really know what these tarot cards, placed spontaneously on the table,

have to say, we would know the past, present and future, regarding every

question asked. If we really would know what every little event in our life

has to say, we would know the past, present and future of our life, and of

creation as a whole. If we really would know what the tiny sparks of lights

in the sky have to say, we would understand the past, present, and future,

of our life, and of the creation as a whole

 

Quantum mechanics describes the source of creation, the Unified Field of all

the Laws of Nature, as a field of infinite correlation. All levels of

creation are connected to each other on the level of infinite correlation.

In fact, all levels of creation are the expression of the field of infinite

correlation. The unified field expresses itself simultaneously, yet

sequentially, on all levels of creation. In the ultimate analysis - and that

is what the study of Jyotish is all about - the self-interacting dynamics of

the Unified Field of all the Laws of Nature alone can be held responsible

for all activities in the universe!

 

This insight has a profound effect of expanding our " normal waking state " to

a state of cosmic awareness. This insight that ultimately all actions are

done by nature, and by nature alone, is indeed the spontaneous experience in

higher states of consciousness. The Yoga Vasishtha, a classical textbook on

Vedanta says: " When thus one realises the supreme (reality) which is the

only essence beyond this ocean of Samsara (relative existence), one realises

'I am not the doer but cosmic intelligence alone is the doer; not even in

the past did I do anything' Does that help explain reality?

 

Shinkai

 

 

 

>If the world that I see is not real, and my body isn't real, then the

>people

>I meet can't be real either. Does that mean they are completely imaginary,

>or do they to have a real self too? If that were so, our worlds/illusions

>would be intertwined.

>

>If I was never born, then my mother doesn't exist, or she imagined it. I'm

>confused!

>

>Stuart

>www.stu.org.uk

>

 

 

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Dear Stuart,

 

When the mystics use the words " Self, Consciousness, Mind, real,

unreal, illusion, Truth, Tao, etc " the meaning of those words are not

exactly the same as you'd find in an English dictionary.

 

Let me explain some terms briefly before answering some of your

questions:

 

Self=Atman=Universal Soul

Consciousness=Universal Awareness=Brahman

Atman=Brahman

 

Unreal=illusion=temporary appearance in Consciousness

 

Nisargadatta, " Stuart " <stu@s...> wrote:

> If the world that I see is not real, and my body isn't real, then

the people

> I meet can't be real either. Does that mean they are completely

imaginary,

> or do they to have a real self too? If that were so, our

worlds/illusions

> would be intertwined.

 

There is only one Self, one Consciousness, one universal Spirit, one

Existence, That...

You are That.

 

Are you the body?

Are you the Consciousness?

 

You are Consciousness taking the form of Stuart.

Stuart is a temporary appearance.

 

Think of it in terms of waves an an Ocean. Stuart believes itself to

be separate wave from the Ocean of Being but this is only a

temporary, imaginary separation. Call it unreal, imaginary or

temporary. It makes no difference.

 

> If I was never born, then my mother doesn't exist, or she imagined

it. I'm

> confused!

 

Existence, Consciousness was never born. You, your mother are the

forms that the Consciousness, Existence takes. If you know you are

Consciousness then who is born and who dies?

 

Hur

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Nisargadatta, " shinkai taisen " <shinkai_taisen@h...>

wrote:

 

" The Vedas suggest that the entire universe has been created by our

own mind. "

 

[snippety snip]

 

Shinkai taisen,

 

 

Many thx for exegesis, of Vedic material and hologramatics...

an(other) spiritual insight that sparkles this forum.

 

be well,

cj