Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Non-dualists teachings says that only the " Brahman-Nirguna " is real, and the individual soul and the empiric world is illusory. So we coulde say that the Absolute has no shape and no individual consciousness. Let's analyse this more closely..... If truth is " one " , unchangeable, and all the whole cosmic diversity is originating from this said Absolute....Sholdn't the very Absolute behold teh qualities of the things (illusories or not) originated of it....including the individual personality? And if the nature of world and of the " Jivatman " is illusory, but even this illusion is Brahman...so...Brahman manifests itself sometimes as illusory and sometimes as non-illusory...is it so??? When someone says that individuality is illusory...What does it mean by individuality? Does some of us really know the diference between individual and non-individual??... Atman=Brahman you say.......how can you say that kinda thing? If there's no individuality.....why would you folks worry to defend the advaita-view-point answering this post??? Abraços! DI GAMA SANTA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Ahao, Giuliano, - Giuliano nisargadatta Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:50 AM Non-dualist and dualists Non-dualists teachings says that only the "Brahman-Nirguna" is real, and the individual soul and the empiric world is illusory. To keep the whining from assuming deafening proportions. So we coulde saythat the Absolute has no shape and no individual consciousness. No, we could not. In order to say something, or not say something, the "sayer" has to be separate from the Absolute and thus that Absolute is not all that Absolute. Let'sanalyse this more closely.....If truth is "one", unchangeable, and all the whole cosmic diversity isoriginating from this said Absolute....Sholdn't the very Absolute beholdteh qualities of the things (illusories or not) originated ofit....including the individual personality? The orgination, As-If. And if the nature of world andof the "Jivatman" is illusory, but even this illusion isBrahman... Indeed. As a Zen prattling goes.. First the mountains and the spring were mountains and springs. Then the mountains and the spring were an illusion. Finally the mountains and the spring were mountains and springs. The "wave" in the Ocean is an illusion. However pick up a "wave" in your hand and all that you will have in the palm of your hand is the Ocean.The gold-necklace is an illusion, but melt it and all you will have is liquid gold. so...Brahman manifests itself sometimes as illusory and sometimesas non-illusory...is it so??? To whom is this distinction of illusory and non-illusory? When someone says that individuality is illusory...What does it mean byindividuality? What does it mean to "Giuliano"? Does some of us really know the diference betweenindividual and non-individual??... Is there any "some of us" around? Atman=Brahman you say.......how can you say that kinda thing? It's rather simple. You say it, or say Zip-A-Dee-dah-Doo If there's no individuality.....why would you folks worry to defend theadvaita-view-point answering this post??? Seems like fun. Abraços! DI GAMA SANTA Interesting words. What do they mean? Always trying to get educated. Chikooo Chikooo Chikoooo Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Nisargadatta, " Giuliano " <gaudeamus@i...> wrote: > why would you folks worry to defend the > advaita-view-point answering this post??? Advaita may sound like a subtle argument but the door there is madness. Advaita has nothing to do with logical arguments. Logical mind exists in space/time and Advaita points to " That " in which space/time appears in. While the logical mind conceals secrets the mirror does not. If you want to see what's in the mirror, look at your self and see the truth. If you see an empty mirror, it's OK too. Hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 It would take time for time and space to appear in something, and space for there to be something in which time and space could appear. Only if someone were there could time and space make an appearance. As there is no time for time and space to appear, no one pre-exists existence, no " I " , and there isn't any endless time and space. No pointing possible. -- Dan > Advaita may sound like a subtle argument but the door there is > madness. Advaita has nothing to do with logical arguments. Logical > mind exists in space/time and Advaita points to " That " in which > space/time appears in. While the logical mind conceals secrets the > mirror does not. If you want to see what's in the mirror, look at > your self and see the truth. If you see an empty mirror, it's OK > too. > > Hur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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