Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Tim wrote: > Love is not a > feeling or an > emotion -- however, imagining " lover " and " beloved " as > apart and > separate is one of the roots of suffering. There is no > subject- > object, no lover and beloved. Love only. Any practical comment on how this inner belowed can be called forward...what is a woman to do to be free from the " dependence " of the outer man to lead her to god ? A question perhaps asked by head....heart has the answer...is my guess...but only a guess... I'd appreciate answers from you guys, too. caiti Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 - Caiti Nisargadatta Saturday, December 15, 2001 09:49 AM inner lover Tim wrote:> Love is not a> feeling or an > emotion -- however, imagining "lover" and "beloved" as> apart and > separate is one of the roots of suffering. There is no> subject-> object, no lover and beloved. Love only.Any practical comment on how this inner belowed can becalled forward...what is a woman to do to be free from the"dependence" of the outer man to lead her to god ? --- See God as the outer man. Zip-A Dee-Dah-Doo Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 > > See God as the outer man. > Sandeep my dear, that is exactly where I get stuck..they are not always so trustable....and all gets kinda messed up....I read: worship god in the outer man...that takes some discernment.. yours caiti bhakti figureitout Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Catti, - Caiti Nisargadatta Saturday, December 15, 2001 05:34 PM Re: inner lover > > See God as the outer man.> Sandeep my dear, that is exactly where I get stuck..theyare not always so trustable.... The "untrustableness", the play in the moment. and all gets kinda messedup.... The messing up, and resultant messed-up , the play in the moment. I read: worship god in the outer man...that takessome discernment.. When the moment, is seen exactly as it is, there is no more inner or outer, no discernment, nothing to discern. It is in the divisiveness of the moment, that the need to discern is born. Otherwise it's Zubeida, zubeeee zubeeee Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Sandeep, I am in a space where I need to be reminded of this over and over again..keep at it man and thank you very much. Hammer it in...until like anut i just crack open. You' re a gift. Zubeida who? tell me more. caiti --- Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepc wrote: > Dear Catti, > > - > Caiti > Nisargadatta > Saturday, December 15, 2001 05:34 PM > Re: inner lover > > > > > > > See God as the outer man. > > > Sandeep my dear, that is exactly where I get > stuck..they > are not always so trustable.... > > > The " untrustableness " , the play in the moment. > > > and all gets kinda messed > up.... > > > The messing up, and resultant messed-up , the play in > the moment. > > > I read: worship god in the outer man...that takes > some discernment.. > > When the moment, is seen exactly as it is, there is no > more inner or outer, no discernment, nothing to discern. > It is in the divisiveness of the moment, that the need > to discern is born. > > > Otherwise it's Zubeida, zubeeee zubeeee > > Sandeep > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Hiya Catti, - Caiti Nisargadatta Saturday, December 15, 2001 07:33 PM Re: inner lover Sandeep,I am in a space where I need to be reminded of this overand over again..keep at it man and thank you very much.Hammer it in...until like anut i just crack open. At your service maaa'm Keep providing the nut, I'll keep providing the hammer. You' re a gift.Zubeida who?tell me more. LOL. These days, there is a focus on increasing the craziness of the signoffs. Zubeida was a Muslim princess, but that's about all. La deeee Daaaaa Daaaa Deeeee Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Sandeep, to possible annoyance for other listees I reply here...as life is happening so right now... the other day I asked a friend for a name..telling him: dream out anything you'd like but I wouldn't like Zubeida... hmm.... princess...not bad... iron my brain... thank you dear hammer your grateful nut Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Nisargadatta, Caiti <caitionline> wrote: > Tim wrote: > > Love is not a > > feeling or an > > emotion -- however, imagining " lover " and " beloved " as > > apart and > > separate is one of the roots of suffering. There is no > > subject- > > object, no lover and beloved. Love only. > > Any practical comment on how this inner belowed can be > called forward...what is a woman to do to be free from the > " dependence " of the outer man to lead her to god ? > A question perhaps asked by head....heart has the > answer...is my guess...but only a guess... I'd appreciate > answers from you guys, too. > caiti If heart has the answer, that's more than a guess, is my guess. " Inner certainty " needn't be confirmed by an " outer man " ... because it has no inside or outside. When no distance for love to cross, what is the boundary of self? -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 If you are looking naively for an outer image/being to trust, God may well appear as " the trickster " ... But, what is " this " that appears so suddenly that it can't be grasped, yet so constantly that is never somewhere else? This isn't the inner or outer man, nor woman ... -- Dan > > > > See God as the outer man. > > > Sandeep my dear, that is exactly where I get stuck..they > are not always so trustable....and all gets kinda messed > up....I read: worship god in the outer man...that takes > some discernment.. > yours > caiti bhakti figureitout > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 If you are looking naively for an outer image/being to trust, God may well appear as " the trickster " ... Dan ------------------- Yes, we all marry " the trickster " . be it male or female or anyTHING else. Until " death " do " we " part. What remains is " this " . El ---- ---- ---- Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > If you are looking naively for an outer image/being > to trust, God may well appear > as " the trickster " ... > > But, what is " this " that appears so suddenly > that it can't be grasped, yet so constantly > that is never somewhere else? > > This isn't the inner or outer man, nor woman ... > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > See God as the outer man. > > > > > Sandeep my dear, that is exactly where I get stuck..they > > are not always so trustable....and all gets kinda messed > > up....I read: worship god in the outer man...that takes > > some discernment.. > > yours > > caiti bhakti figureitout > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 > Yes, we all marry " the trickster " . > be it male or female or anyTHING > else. > > Until " death " do " we " part. > > What remains is " this " . > > El :-) .. true of the marriages of me and my body, and I and my me, as nothing and I, as well ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Nisargadatta, " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > > > Yes, we all marry " the trickster " . > > be it male or female or anyTHING > > else. > > > > Until " death " do " we " part. > > > > What remains is " this " . > > > > El ----------------------------- > > :-) > true of the marriages > of me and my body, > and I and my me, > as nothing and I, as well ... Dan ----------------------------- .... " and I and my me, as nothing and I, as well ... " Dan Ah, that's what makes " the Trickster " so tricky! El .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 > Ah, > that's what makes > " the Trickster " so tricky! > El > > > . What makes the Trickster really tricky, is holding up a mirror and convincing you that you see someone there ... .. :-D an Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 > What makes the Trickster really tricky, > is holding up a mirror and convincing > you that you see someone there ... > :-D an - appearances can be deceiving .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Nisargadatta, Caiti <caitionline> wrote: > Tim wrote: > > Love is not a > > feeling or an > > emotion -- however, imagining " lover " and " beloved " as > > apart and > > separate is one of the roots of suffering. There is no > > subject- > > object, no lover and beloved. Love only. > > Any practical comment on how this inner belowed can be > called forward...what is a woman to do to be free from the > " dependence " of the outer man to lead her to god ? **** Quite simply - knock it off! :-) Look at what you're doing instead. Playing co-dependent emotional games with some form of " other " is pretty ridiculous wouldn't you say? Why do you think they call it " self " realization? Ever thought of that? Hua! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Hey Judi, long time no hear...I hope that you are well. It wasn't exactly the co-dependency stuff I had in mind here.....more like the popular tantra games in vogue right now... thanks for your comment ..there is a point to it, no doubt. caiti original message: > **** Quite simply - knock it off! :-) > Look at what you're doing instead. > Playing co-dependent emotional games with some form of > " other " is > pretty ridiculous wouldn't you say? > Why do you think they call it " self " realization? Ever > thought of > that? > > Hua! > > Judi Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Nisargadatta, Caiti <caitionline> wrote: > Hey Judi, > long time no hear...I hope that you are well. It wasn't > exactly the co-dependency stuff I had in mind here.....more > like the popular tantra games in vogue right now... > thanks for your comment ..there is a point to it, no doubt. > caiti > ***** Yes, pleasure is what interests people, not the truth. Nothing new there. Ho-hum. Next. Judi > > original message: > > **** Quite simply - knock it off! :-) > > Look at what you're doing instead. > > Playing co-dependent emotional games with some form of > > " other " is > > pretty ridiculous wouldn't you say? > > Why do you think they call it " self " realization? Ever > > thought of > > that? > > > > Hua! > > > > Judi > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 Nisargadatta, " judirhodes " <judirhodes@e...> wrote: > Nisargadatta, Caiti <caitionline> wrote: > > Hey Judi, > > long time no hear...I hope that you are well. It wasn't > > exactly the co-dependency stuff I had in mind here.....more > > like the popular tantra games in vogue right now... > > thanks for your comment ..there is a point to it, no doubt. > > caiti > > > ***** Yes, pleasure is what interests people, not the truth. > Nothing new there. Ho-hum. > > Next. > > Judi > ******* Judi wrote: Simply going along indulging yourself in life doesn't cut the mustard. Every idiot and their brother does that. Nothing new there. Realization, if there is to be any, lies in a specific process, which is intelligence, which has nothing to do with indulgences, or the lack of them. Bruce wrote: Right, and that intelligence can't be measured with an IQ test either -- the world is awash in high-IQ fools fascinated by their own shallow cleverness much like an ape entertaining itself by playing with its own dung! Krishnamurti often referred to intelligence that had nothing to do with the activity of thought. It's like the Cher character in " Moonstruck " yelling out " Get over it! " The " it " in this case is that which craves indulgence or exults in its supposed absence. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2001 Report Share Posted December 17, 2001 It comes down to a matter of intelligence, of need. Of seeing thru your own game so that it all falls apart. I guess it just comes down to going around the block so many times until a person says to themselves, now wait just a darn minute here, what am I doing? So you keep going around the block and everytime you pass by I'll be sitting here waiting for you with a glass of scotch. And round and round they go! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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