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I had a thought - or so I think.

Winnie the Pooh

 

 

About ten years ago, I entered the field of nursing. I am now retired and

have time to reflect on that ten years. I realize that, for the first five

years or so, maybe more, I was not a nurse.

I studied, I worked, I did my job, I thought I was a nurse, but I was not.

Looking back, I realize that no one, fresh out of school is a nurse.

The process of becoming a nurse is something that happens over time.

The study, the work, the efforting has to go on, but it is not the process.

Some people become nurses, in due time. Many never do.

 

So, here I am, reading the Tao Te Ching, reading this newsgroup, listening

to Robert Adams, meditating, all this efforting. What I know is, all this

efforting will not get me " there " . " Getting there " is something that may or

may not take place, independently of the efforting, and yet very dependent

on the efforting.

 

Does any of this make sense?

 

Beck

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To climb up the mountain is to climb down.

To climb down the mountain is to go nowhere.

To go nowhere is to understand there is nowhere to go.

To understand there is nowhere to go is to stop climbing down.

To stop climbing down is to be at the top of the mountain.

 

.... Omkara ...

 

Nisargadatta, Beck <beck@b...> wrote:

> I had a thought - or so I think.

> Winnie the Pooh

>

>

> About ten years ago, I entered the field of nursing. I am now

retired and

> have time to reflect on that ten years. I realize that, for the

first five

> years or so, maybe more, I was not a nurse.

> I studied, I worked, I did my job, I thought I was a nurse, but I

was not.

> Looking back, I realize that no one, fresh out of school is a nurse.

> The process of becoming a nurse is something that happens over time.

> The study, the work, the efforting has to go on, but it is not the

process.

> Some people become nurses, in due time. Many never do.

>

> So, here I am, reading the Tao Te Ching, reading this newsgroup,

listening

> to Robert Adams, meditating, all this efforting. What I know is,

all this

> efforting will not get me " there " . " Getting there " is something

that may or

> may not take place, independently of the efforting, and yet very

dependent

> on the efforting.

>

> Does any of this make sense?

>

> Beck

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> Some people become nurses, in due time. Many never do.

>

> So, here I am, reading the Tao Te Ching, reading this newsgroup,

listening

> to Robert Adams, meditating, all this efforting. What I know is,

all this

> efforting will not get me " there " . " Getting there " is something

that may or

> may not take place, independently of the efforting, and yet very

dependent

> on the efforting.

>

> Does any of this make sense?

>

> Beck

 

Kung-Fu means progress made by work.... I think that is the Nurse

idea... you learn to do what you do.... learning is by doing.... on

the job training..... practicing.....

 

two wings of the bird... self effort and grace... and... funny but

self effort brings grace....

 

as you work, God recognizes your earnestness and gives you the

rest... Man proposes, God disposes....

 

yoga is skill in action.... practice....

 

I can't play an instrument on first picking it up, it takes

practice... and loving practice is the best practice.... the way...

 

constant conscious contact with God, constant meditation begins with

perhaps poor meditation.... constant mindfulness begins with spotty

mindfullness... and overtime, it fills in....

 

a wonderful book by Zen teacher Cheri Huber says....

 

I was a poor meditator and came to practice...

later, after many years of coming to practice... a good meditator

came to practice...

 

 

(the good meditator was the one who initially brought the poor

meditator to practice.... just took time for the realization.....)

 

 

no doubt that practice makes for a perfect skill....

 

I am practicing letting go...

 

returning....

 

getting caught up in self-centered thoughts

entering a self-centered hell

recognizing the suffering I am causing

dropping the thoughts returning to the breath, bodily sensations,

environmental sounds, mindfulness...

coming back to reality, out of the drama

 

as Nisargadatta said,

 

In awareness we grow.

 

Paul

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" Paul J. Cote " <pjcote

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Friday, May 18, 2001 9:47 AM

Re: A thought

 

 

> > [cut]

> I am practicing letting go...

 

> Paul

 

Hi Paul,

 

Is it possible to practise letting go ?

Is any effort required to let go... open

your hand for example or is it rather

that effort is required to hold on, to cling to

something for example ?

 

:)

~dave

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Dave, I am going to take a stab at this challenge.

Yes, I believe it is an effort to let go. Not the actual letting go but

the breaking of the habit of holding on and negating the believe that one

needs to hold on to speak nothing of neutralizing the fear associated

with letting go. I find letting go requires a great deal of effort and

practice.

Counter?

Beck

 

At 09:26 AM 5/18/01 , you wrote:

 

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" Paul J. Cote " <pjcote

<Nisargadatta >

Friday, May 18, 2001 9:47 AM

Re: A thought

 

 

> > [cut]

> I am practicing letting go...

 

> Paul

 

Hi Paul,

 

Is it possible to practise letting go ?

Is any effort required to let go... open

your hand for example or is it rather

that effort is required to hold on, to cling to

something for example ?

 

:)

~dave

 

 

 

 

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Effort to hold on.

Effort to let go.

What's the difference?

 

 

Holding on is happening, THAT'S IT

Letting go is happening, THAT'S IT.

Both are happening, THAT'S IT.

Either is not happening, THAT'S IT.

 

THAT'S IT is THAT'S IT.

 

Cheers

 

Sandeep

 

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Beck

Nisargadatta

Friday, May 18, 2001 10:05 PM

Re: Re: A thought

Dave, I am going to take a stab at this challenge.Yes, I believe it is an effort to let go. Not the actual letting go but the breaking of the habit of holding on and negating the believe that one needs to hold on to speak nothing of neutralizing the fear associated with letting go. I find letting go requires a great deal of effort and practice.Counter?BeckAt 09:26 AM 5/18/01 , you wrote:

- "Paul J. Cote" <pjcote<Nisargadatta >Friday, May 18, 2001 9:47 AM Re: A thought> > [cut]> I am practicing letting go...> PaulHi Paul,Is it possible to practise letting go ?Is any effort required to let go... openyour hand for example or is it rather that effort is required to hold on, to cling to something for example ?:)~dave

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> Releasing, dropping or letting go occurs simultaneously with

> " Seeing " .

>

> ~dave

 

 

Dave:

 

Just because you see what you are thinking, does that guarantee

letting go? Perhaps so, as long as the suffering it causes is also

seen... but so much thinking is just habit as well.... When you

say, " Seeing " what is that?

 

reminds me of the story of the kid watching the blacksmith... the

blacksmith quenches a horseshoe and drops it in the sand. The kid

picks it up and immediately drops it. The blacksmith says... " Hot,

ain't it son? " The kid says... " It don't take me long to look at a

horseshoe..... "

 

I think it is realizing the suffering it causes... is that what you

think as well? Is that what seeing is?

 

Paul

 

Paul

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Oh, Sandeep, you have such practical, pragmatic advice. Chuckle.

Beck

 

At 10:23 AM 5/18/01 , you wrote:

Effort to hold

on.

Effort to let go.

What's the difference?

 

 

Holding on is happening, THAT'S IT

Letting go is happening, THAT'S IT.

Both are happening, THAT'S IT.

Either is not happening, THAT'S IT.

 

THAT'S IT is THAT'S IT.

 

Cheers

 

Sandeep

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Beck

Nisargadatta

Friday, May 18, 2001 4:53 PM

Re: Re: A thought

 

We get a little tied up in word games.

 

Hi Beck,

 

Talk for yourself. Why bring in other people?

 

<s>

~dave

 

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