Guest guest Posted February 13, 2001 Report Share Posted February 13, 2001 Hi, A dialogue elsewhere, which might have some conceptual value. Sandeep ------------------ Hi M, <SNIP> San: > > Shorn of it's frills, psychological definitions, the "me-entity" is> > nothing but the sense of personal doership.> > M: > This strikes me as totally 'right on'. > > Happenings occur thru this body mind system> known as Melody. But it is the "sense of personal> doership" which tends to not only reinforce a sense> of separation and individuality, San: Last few days, some interpretations from the Genome Project are being publicly placed, findings being reported. 99.9% of the genome is the same, whether we are talking about an Eskimo, contemplating his melting igloo due to Global warming, a Thai fisherman, wondering where all the fishes have disappeared, a Gujurati, in Western India, looking at his devastated Life, due to the Quake in India or a WASP contemplating making a killing on the Nasdaq with tech-stocks. The premise of race (and the individuality on which the concept of race arises) is laid to rest, by a scientific validation. Where is the individuality of separation, in essence? Interestingly, the human genome just has 26,000 to 30,000 genes, not the over 100,000 genes, thought previously. The fewer numbers of genes in the human genome, the experts say, indicate that the environment must play a more crucial role in human development (rather than "picking up ownself by one's own bootstraps) Dr Craig Venter of Celera Genomics (one of the two partner Co,undertaking the Project-- "We all are essentially chemical twins-even more than I thought" Further, the report states "Scientists have discovered that human genes have been derived from bacteria, that some genes haven't changed much since the very first single celled creatures populated the primeval ooze. Genes are found today, which developed when our ancestors were worm-like, others when our ancestors were fish-like." Experts say the genome faithfully records the entire history of mankind-from the very origin of life, some 4 Billion years ago, right down to the present now. The so called individuality and thereby the consequential assumption of individual volition, M would it not be really the mosaic, functioning? "The template of the primordial amoeba, apparently lives on in us" Interestingly, the human genome toting upto 30,000 is just twice the number of genes that make up a fruit fly or a round worm. Alas, the divinity of man, little higher than a round worm. "We are a product of the unique orchestration of our genes, proteins (no volition over which type to choose), prehistoric bacteria AND the environment." Thus there is no "good" genes, no "bad" genes. "This debunks the belief that individual "bad" genes exclusively are the cause of most hereditary diseases and behaviour patterns and that by hunting them down, one by one, we can uproot afflictions from our lives.We simply do not have enough genes for this idea of biological determinism to be right say Craig Venter" The report ends with asking some very interesting questions As we chart the internal universe of the genome, will we evolve, a closer affinity with the workings of the cosmos, of which we are a microcosm? Is the human endeavour of deciphering the genetic code, a radical RESCRIPTING of a larger master plan of pre-destination, in which we are thought to be-nothing more and nothing less that the genes of God? M:> but it compares every deed done to....and thru... it,> with the ideas and expectations of what those> deeds 'ought' to have looked like.> > It's clear that without a sense of 'personal doership' there> would be no 'personal baggage' > > (in other words: no unfinished 'doings') San: Precisely. The "me" is the unfinished agenda, no matter what actually takes place, or does not take place. M: > to impose itself on the present moment.> > Moments ago, > I began imagining what it would be like if> this body mind system broadened it's sense> of 'personal doership' to encompass the falling rain,> and the freezing northern winds, and for the summer's> heat, or even for the recent earthquake in India.> > Immediately a sense of being burdened... greatly> stressed ...with such a sense of heavy responsibility> ....came over me.> > It's not a way I'd like to live....and yet it's only> a magnification of the stress and suffering that> comes with a sense of individual, personal 'doership'.> And it's every bit as 'ridiculous', isn't it? San: It is, but not till it is seen so.<LOL> > Having held onto this sense of 'doership' for only a> few minutes, a great sense of relief....of freedom....> comes over me when I let go of it.> > I'd like to look at a little deeper at how this sense of> 'responsibility' hooks into 'doership'...if anyone's> inspired to do so? San: Two sides of the same coin. One may not acknowledge, one particular side of the coin, but the fact remains. However, M, the understanding must also apperceive, that the "M-coin", as it is, and as it was in the past, was to be exactly as it is/was. With the sense of personal doership and thus the burden of the sense of responsibility, precisely such, so that the particular functioning(s) that was the be carried out "through" Melody, came to be. I find it amusing, when non-volitionilists-non-dualists, start sneering at the "sense of volition about doing", in other entitles. What volition is there, in the dropping or the holding on to the sense of volition, if it apparently exists. My two bit bacterial gene, wriggling it's conceptual two cents worth.<LOL> Cheers Sandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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