Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 I dont believe Im actually spending my valuable time reading this stuff .. going back to lurkdom now .. ********** And for whatever it's worth to you Tony, know that some of us are laughing at you guys behind your back. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2003 Report Share Posted April 20, 2003 I dont believe Im actually spending my valuable time reading this stuff .. going back to lurkdom now .. I copy that. Going back on the Web right now. If anyone posts to me send me a copy. Love, Ramana Maharshi ********** And for whatever it's worth to you Tony, know that some of us are laughing at you guys behind your back. Judi..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > > > > **** T: O.K. - the " you " does not let go! > ... But there is still, nevertheless, a letting go - a letting go > that happens from seeing/understanding how one is always hanging on. > So let me say it in another way: It is only in the seeing or > understanding of the futility of hanging on itself - in one split > second, that allows for the release of the all the self-centered > activity of hanging on, because, in that moment, there is suddenly, > no more energy available for the " game " of hanging on to continue. > So game over! > " Tony " only " needs " for there to be an " identity break " , so that > there can be this seeing and understanding, which then spontaneously, > and selflessly, allows for his own negation to take place. > This is " the process " , and the only value of " ways and means " . > ********* So, it's a matter of manipulating yourself into an identity break, right? :-) LOL Do I have to go on with the rest of this post? :-) Please, please, don't make me do it. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > > > **** T: O.K. - the " you " does not let go! > > ... But there is still, nevertheless, a letting go > > - a letting go that happens from seeing/understanding > > how one is always hanging on. So let me say it in > > another way: It is only in the seeing or > > understanding of the futility of hanging on > > itself - in one split > > second, that allows for the release of the all > > the self-centered > > activity of hanging on, because, in that moment, > > there is suddenly, no more energy available for > > the " game " of hanging on to continue. > > So game over! > > " Tony " only " needs " for there to be an " identity break " , > > so that there can be this seeing and understanding, > > which then spontaneously, and selflessly, allows for > > his own negation to take place. > > This is " the process " , and the only value of " ways and > > means " . > J: ********* So, it's a matter of manipulating yourself into > an identity break, right? :-) LOL > Do I have to go on with the rest of this post? :-) > Please, please, don't make me do it. :-) > Judi **** T: Of course you know it's totally up to you whether or not you answer my posts, .... But I was a little disappointed that youchose only to responded to such a small part of it. :-/ Oh well. :-) Anyway, I thought I should at least respond to the onequestion you had about the " manipulation " of one's self into an " identity-break " from the habitual egotistical consciousness. " Manipulation " , in this instance, is something that is done to dismantle or suspend the self-centered activity of egotistical identity. Like, for example, when you explain to someone that there is nothing to be done, because there is no doer, and there is nothing to be achieved, etc., and they listen to you – maybe you even insult them, but somehow they understand, and so they change. Have they been " manipulated " ? Or if one does " self-inquiry " , and they question: .... " Who am I? " , And they dismantled the ego step by step, and they also change. Have they been " manipulated " ? Or if one does meditation, and through silent observation they see directly the operation of the mind - all the ramifications and subtleties of thought and emotion, and how it has structured itself as an egotistical identity, and they see the futility of it and how destructive it is - and they change. Have they also been " manipulated " ? You see, there are " ways and means " , there are " tools " - there is a process! Even the message of " no authority " , and " no teaching " and " no teacher is itself only another authoritative teaching, because it is only an intellectual concept until the " Real Thing " has actually been " realized " . It cannot jsut be and intellectual understanding! And since the immediate and spontaneous realization of non-egotistical consciousness is not a present fact for the most of humanity, there is there remains the necessity of those " practices " that will allow it to happen. Otherwise people are only left in hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can be done, they can only continue on with the same old egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery for themselves and others. With love and affection, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 > J: ********* So, it's a matter of manipulating yourself into > an identity break, right? :-) LOL **** T: Of course you know it's totally up to you whether or not you answer my posts, ... But I was a little disappointed that youchose onlyto responded to such a small part of it. :-/ Oh well. :-) ********* Be disappointed, be VERY disappointed! :-) Anyway, I thought I should at least respond to the onequestion you had about the "manipulation" of one's self into an "identity-break" from the habitual egotistical consciousness. ****** Why am I not surprised you'd have something to say? :-) Sheesh! Tony, I'm not here to play your games, you either "grok" it or you don't. Your choice. Otherwise people are only left in hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can be done, they can only continue on with the same old egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery for themselves and others.With love and affection,****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I feel so darn bad for them. :-) Should I get out my "nurses" uniform? :-) I think not! :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Otherwise people are only left in hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can be done, they can only continue on with the same old egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery for themselves and others.With love and affection, ****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I feel so darn bad for them. :-) Should I get out my "nurses" uniform? :-) I think not! :-) ****** Hey Tony, you obviously have me confused with someone who gives a shit! So put that in your pipe and *smoke* it! Judi ..........INFORMATION ABOUT THIS LIST..........Email addresses: Post message: Realization Un: Realization- Our web address: http://www.realization.orgBy sending a message to this list, you are givingpermission to have it reproduced as a letter onhttp://www.realization.org................................................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: Hi Judi, **** T: Since the immediate and spontaneous realization of non- egotistical consciousness is not a present fact for the most of humanity, there still remains the necessity of those " ways and means " that can allow it to happen. **** T: But when you tell someone that there is nothing to be done, because there is no doer, and there is nothing to be achieved, etc., and then maybe you even insult them - you probably do, :-) .... They just turn right back to resume their same old egotistical ways, perhaps now even strutting around in their new " judi hair-do " . **** T: So at best you only leave them more pompous than before, intellectually thinking they have actually understood something extraordinary profound, but generally I think you have just left them in > hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can > be done, that their only choice is to continue on with the same old > egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery > for themselves and others. .... And too often it is exactly these types that are the ones that are responsible for bringing this destruction right on to your own doorstep, even devastating your own household. > J: ****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I > feel so darn bad for them. :-) > Should I get out my " nurses " uniform? :-) I think not! :-) **** T: Isn't that what you are already doing with that tough love, in-your-face, brutal disregard, don't-give-give-a-shit, I'm-above-it-all style of yours? .... Or do you just enjoy throwing tomatoes at those you perceive to be false? What IS your motive then? **** T: Because you must " understand " that even your " message " of " no authority " , and " no teaching " and " no teacher " , is itself just another " authoritative teaching " . - Only difference is that this time " Judi " is doing the teaching! :-) .... But it still remains just another intellectual concept, because until the " Real Thing " has actually been " realized " , there is absolutely no value in it for anyone, and if you really don't give a shit, then why bother to keep doing it? > J: ****** Hey Tony, you obviously have me confused with someone who gives a shit! So put that in your pipe and *smoke* it! > Judi **** T: I wouldn't go far as to say that I am THAT confused. :-) But there is obviously some dynamic at work here that motivates you to keep saying what you do - even if you are convinced that you are " right " . .... Are you just being a naughty little girl? .... Do you need attention? ... Hmmmmmm??? (sitting back in my chair, puffing on my pipe, sipping scotch, and contemplating) ;-) With love and affection, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > > Hi Judi, > > **** T: Since the immediate and spontaneous realization of non- > egotistical consciousness is not a present fact for the most of > humanity, there still remains the necessity of those " ways and means " > that can allow it to happen. > > **** T: But when you tell someone that there is nothing to be done, > because there is no doer, and there is nothing to be achieved, etc., > and then maybe you even insult them - you probably do, :-) > ... They just turn right back to resume their same old egotistical > ways, perhaps now even strutting around in their new " judi hair-do " . > > **** T: So at best you only leave them > more pompous than before, intellectually > thinking they have actually understood > something extraordinary profound, but generally > I think you have just left them in > > hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can > > be done, that their only choice is to continue on with the same old > > egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery > > for themselves and others. > ... And too often it is exactly these types > that are the ones that are responsible for > bringing this destruction right on to your > own doorstep, even devastating your own household. > > > J: ****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I > > feel so darn bad for them. :-) > > Should I get out my " nurses " uniform? :-) I think not! :-) > > **** T: Isn't that what you are already doing with > that tough love, in-your-face, brutal disregard, > don't-give-give-a-shit, I'm-above-it-all style of yours? > ... Or do you just enjoy throwing tomatoes at those you > perceive to be false? What IS your motive then? > > **** T: Because you must " understand " that even your > " message " of " no authority " , and " no teaching " and > " no teacher " , is itself just another " authoritative teaching " . > - Only difference is that this time " Judi " is doing the teaching! :- ) > ... But it still remains just another intellectual concept, > because until the " Real Thing " has actually been " realized " , > there is absolutely no value in it for anyone, and if you > really don't give a shit, then why bother to keep doing it? > > > J: ****** Hey Tony, you obviously have me confused with someone who > gives a shit! So put that in your pipe and *smoke* it! > > > Judi > > **** T: I wouldn't go far as to say that I am THAT confused. :-) > But there is obviously some dynamic at work here that > motivates you to keep saying what you do - even if you are > convinced that you are " right " . > > ... Are you just being a naughty little girl? > ... Do you need attention? ... Hmmmmmm??? > > (sitting back in my chair, puffing on my pipe, sipping scotch, > and contemplating) ;-) > > With love and affection, > ******* Did you say something honey? :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Judi, > > > > **** T: Since the immediate and spontaneous realization of non- > > egotistical consciousness is not a present fact for the most of > > humanity, there still remains the necessity of those " ways and > means " > > that can allow it to happen. > > > > **** T: But when you tell someone that there is nothing to be done, > > because there is no doer, and there is nothing to be achieved, > etc., > > and then maybe you even insult them - you probably do, :-) > > ... They just turn right back to resume their same old egotistical > > ways, perhaps now even strutting around in their new " judi hair- do " . > > > > **** T: So at best you only leave them > > more pompous than before, intellectually > > thinking they have actually understood > > something extraordinary profound, but generally > > I think you have just left them in > > > hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that can > > > be done, that their only choice is to continue on with the same > old > > > egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more misery > > > for themselves and others. > > ... And too often it is exactly these types > > that are the ones that are responsible for > > bringing this destruction right on to your > > own doorstep, even devastating your own household. > > > > > J: ****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I > > > feel so darn bad for them. :-) > > > Should I get out my " nurses " uniform? :-) I think not! :-) > > > > **** T: Isn't that what you are already doing with > > that tough love, in-your-face, brutal disregard, > > don't-give-give-a-shit, I'm-above-it-all style of yours? > > ... Or do you just enjoy throwing tomatoes at those you > > perceive to be false? What IS your motive then? > > > > **** T: Because you must " understand " that even your > > " message " of " no authority " , and " no teaching " and > > " no teacher " , is itself just another " authoritative teaching " . > > - Only difference is that this time " Judi " is doing the teaching! :- > ) > > ... But it still remains just another intellectual concept, > > because until the " Real Thing " has actually been " realized " , > > there is absolutely no value in it for anyone, and if you > > really don't give a shit, then why bother to keep doing it? > > > > > J: ****** Hey Tony, you obviously have me confused with someone > who > > gives a shit! So put that in your pipe and *smoke* it! > > > > > Judi > > > > **** T: I wouldn't go far as to say that I am THAT confused. :-) > > But there is obviously some dynamic at work here that > > motivates you to keep saying what you do - even if you are > > convinced that you are " right " . > > > > ... Are you just being a naughty little girl? > > ... Do you need attention? ... Hmmmmmm??? > > > > (sitting back in my chair, puffing on my pipe, sipping scotch, > > and contemplating) ;-) > > > > With love and affection, > > > > ******* Did you say something honey? :-) > > Judi **** T: Never mind. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > Realization , " Anthony " <asimpjoy@e...> wrote: > > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " > <judirhodes@z...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Judi, > > > > > > **** T: Since the immediate and spontaneous realization of non- > > > egotistical consciousness is not a present fact for the most of > > > humanity, there still remains the necessity of those " ways and > > means " > > > that can allow it to happen. > > > > > > **** T: But when you tell someone that there is nothing to be > done, > > > because there is no doer, and there is nothing to be achieved, > > etc., > > > and then maybe you even insult them - you probably do, :-) > > > ... They just turn right back to resume their same old > egotistical > > > ways, perhaps now even strutting around in their new " judi hair- > do " . > > > > > > **** T: So at best you only leave them > > > more pompous than before, intellectually > > > thinking they have actually understood > > > something extraordinary profound, but generally > > > I think you have just left them in > > > > hopeless dismay, thinking, that because there is nothing that > can > > > > be done, that their only choice is to continue on with the same > > old > > > > egotistical destruction as before - causing more and more > misery > > > > for themselves and others. > > > ... And too often it is exactly these types > > > that are the ones that are responsible for > > > bringing this destruction right on to your > > > own doorstep, even devastating your own household. > > > > > > > J: ****** Hopeless dismay, eh? Poor dears, poor, poor dears! I > > > > feel so darn bad for them. :-) > > > > Should I get out my " nurses " uniform? :-) I think not! :-) > > > > > > **** T: Isn't that what you are already doing with > > > that tough love, in-your-face, brutal disregard, > > > don't-give-give-a-shit, I'm-above-it-all style of yours? > > > ... Or do you just enjoy throwing tomatoes at those you > > > perceive to be false? What IS your motive then? > > > > > > **** T: Because you must " understand " that even your > > > " message " of " no authority " , and " no teaching " and > > > " no teacher " , is itself just another " authoritative teaching " . > > > - Only difference is that this time " Judi " is doing the > teaching! :- > > ) > > > ... But it still remains just another intellectual concept, > > > because until the " Real Thing " has actually been " realized " , > > > there is absolutely no value in it for anyone, and if you > > > really don't give a shit, then why bother to keep doing it? > > > > > > > J: ****** Hey Tony, you obviously have me confused with someone > > who > > > gives a shit! So put that in your pipe and *smoke* it! > > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > **** T: I wouldn't go far as to say that I am THAT confused. :-) > > > But there is obviously some dynamic at work here that > > > motivates you to keep saying what you do - even if you are > > > convinced that you are " right " . > > > > > > ... Are you just being a naughty little girl? > > > ... Do you need attention? ... Hmmmmmm??? > > > > > > (sitting back in my chair, puffing on my pipe, sipping scotch, > > > and contemplating) ;-) > > > > > > With love and affection, > > > > > > > ******* Did you say something honey? :-) > > > > Judi > > **** T: Never mind. :-) ****** Bingo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 One thing to Judi's credit is she is quite pithy. Is she was as wordy as Dan who could get anything done? Love, Ramana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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