Ghost's ghost / Rob

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Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote:

> > Rob: CONSCIOUSLY DISMANTLED. I heard you,

> > Judi-ji.

>

> > Dan: Forget it, Rob.

> >

> > That's not going to get you anywhere.

>

> Thank you, Dan. I believe you.

>

> I got excited when I read this yesterday because it made

> me think, " At last! Something I can DO! "

>

> It doesn't work that way, does it.

>

> > And it has nothing to do with you...

>

> I suppose these words alone tell the whole story.

>

> Nothing I can do with those words. I can't imagine

> them. Can't understand them. Imagination can't

> imagine what things will be like when the imaginer isn't

> happening.

>

> Do you think some kinds of effort can lead to an

> opening through a paradoxical effect?

>

> For example, if you clench your fist as hard as you can

> as long as you can, the arm gets tired and the hand opens.

>

> Sometimes I think Ramana's self-enquiry is supposed to

> work this way.

>

> Rob

 

Zen inquiry works that way, too. Rob.

 

And the funny thing is, there aren't any better

results with that than other ways, such as

prayer, chanting, reading texts, going on

nature walks, doing nothing.

 

Because anything done, anything known -- is

something done, is something known.

 

If you know you're doing nothing, it's still

something known.

 

If you know you're being silent, it's still

something known.

 

There's no way for you to get there from here,

it can't possibly work like that.

 

A finite limited being can't be that which contains

the universe that it breathes, experiences,

and moves in (shades of Ecclesiastes).

 

There's no way to get where you already are --

and saying you already are there, is about

the least useful thing anyone does.

 

A lot of sages, including Ramana, say that

ultimately, the only obstacle is you,

and your belief that there is somewhere

for you to get, something for you to have.

 

How do I release the obstacle that is I?

 

So, Ramana says, inquire into this I.

 

Why not -- anyone doing this will be one

less crack addict, presumably. Keeps

them out of trouble and off the street.

 

Peace,

Dan