No preparation, not a matter of study and application

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Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...>

wrote:

>

> Oh you rode the express train. Here it was 30 + years to ripen

> and fall.

> This is the problem when it is said there was nothing or is

> nothing to do. People believe that they can just sit and *get it*

> overnight.

> Doesn't happen that way, not even for Sri Ramana Maharishi.

> No overnight wonders or instantly enlightened moments which

> may be taken for Realization.

>

>

> ****** Actually it was about a year and a half for me, after I

committed. It was Gurjieff's teaching that gave me the tools to

actually work with.

>

> A certain amount of preparation, yes, maturity in relation to the

whole business. And the desire has to be there, which I find is what

most people lack in the first place. The desire to actually go beyond

themselves isn't there. As an entertainment perhaps, but not really.

It's not really what people want. People are just looking to be

comfortable, to pleasure themselves. And that kind of mediocrity

doesn't cut it.

>

> But as far as how long it actually takes, I would say that for a

mature person who is prepared, shouldn't take more than a couple

years of intense work. Any longer than that, I would say something's

amiss somewhere and needs to be looked at.

>

> Judi

 

Thanks for sharing bullshit about personal experiences

of revelation that come as a result of your hard work.

 

Sorry, all nonsense.

 

*This* happens in spite of me, not because of me.

 

I would say that nothing I studied or did availed anything,

except maybe as preparation for the inconceivable.

 

It has nothing to do with a certain amount of years of study,

nor what you studied, except insofar as your studying

prepared you to be opened in a way you can't study for.

 

*This* is not passing the final exam of a period of study.

 

You prepare for the inconceivable, but when it opens you --

it opens you in a way that doesn't fit at all any

expectations or ideas you built up from the words, teachings,

presence of others.

 

And it doesn't open you because of your preparation or study,

but only because it could be no other way.

 

*This* has nothing whatsoever to do with sitting and believing

you can get it overnight. It has nothing at all do do

with any of your beliefs or activities.

 

You don't get to have any say in this whatsoever.

 

It is neither gradual nor sudden, it is immediate and total.

 

Timeless, yet inclusive of all time/space.

 

-- Dan

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Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> > >

> >

> Thanks for sharing bullshit about personal experiences

> of revelation that come as a result of your hard work.

>

> Sorry, all nonsense.

>

> *This* happens in spite of me, not because of me.

>

******* Well of course. :-)

 

> I would say that nothing I studied or did availed anything,

> except maybe as preparation for the inconceivable.

>

******* Yes, all forms of " preparation " just comes down to a matter

of strength, of ripening, or more to the point, " rotting " . It's not

about " information gained " . Any and all " information " is totally

besides the point.

 

 

> It has nothing to do with a certain amount of years of study,

> nor what you studied, except insofar as your studying

> prepared you to be opened in a way you can't study for.

>

******** Yes, like what I said above.

 

 

> *This* is not passing the final exam of a period of study.

>

******* Yes, absolutely not! :-) There is no " passing go " and

collecting $200. :-)

 

 

> You prepare for the inconceivable, but when it opens you --

> it opens you in a way that doesn't fit at all any

> expectations or ideas you built up from the words, teachings,

> presence of others.

>

****** Yes, it's a total *undermining* of all of that. It's a leap

without a leaper.

 

 

> And it doesn't open you because of your preparation or study,

> but only because it could be no other way.

>

******* Yes, it comes down to " no choice " .

 

> *This* has nothing whatsoever to do with sitting and believing

> you can get it overnight. It has nothing at all do do

> with any of your beliefs or activities.

>

****** Yes, absolutely not.

 

Judi

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Realization , " judirhodes " <judirhodes@z...>

wrote:

> Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> >

>

> > >

> > Thanks for sharing bullshit about personal experiences

> > of revelation that come as a result of your hard work.

> >

> > Sorry, all nonsense.

> >

> > *This* happens in spite of me, not because of me.

> >

> ******* Well of course. :-)

>

> > I would say that nothing I studied or did availed anything,

> > except maybe as preparation for the inconceivable.

> >

> ******* Yes, all forms of " preparation " just comes down to a matter

> of strength, of ripening, or more to the point, " rotting " . It's

not

> about " information gained " . Any and all " information " is totally

> besides the point.

>

>

> > It has nothing to do with a certain amount of years of study,

> > nor what you studied, except insofar as your studying

> > prepared you to be opened in a way you can't study for.

> >

> ******** Yes, like what I said above.

>

>

> > *This* is not passing the final exam of a period of study.

> >

> ******* Yes, absolutely not! :-) There is no " passing go " and

> collecting $200. :-)

>

>

> > You prepare for the inconceivable, but when it opens you --

> > it opens you in a way that doesn't fit at all any

> > expectations or ideas you built up from the words, teachings,

> > presence of others.

> >

> ****** Yes, it's a total *undermining* of all of that. It's a leap

> without a leaper.

>

>

> > And it doesn't open you because of your preparation or study,

> > but only because it could be no other way.

> >

> ******* Yes, it comes down to " no choice " .

>

> > *This* has nothing whatsoever to do with sitting and believing

> > you can get it overnight. It has nothing at all do do

> > with any of your beliefs or activities.

> >

> ****** Yes, absolutely not.

>

> Judi

 

Heh, heh, heh.

 

Ain't we got fun!

 

Smiles to ya, Judi,

Dan