Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > D'oh. I totally misunderstood you. > > I gave up once involuntarily. Two years ago. > That was when my glimpse happened. But > effort and hoping came back. After that I > couldn't meditate for six months because I knew > that it was counter-productive. But gradually > the memory wore off. > > Well, nothing to do then. > > > FIRST, the fish needs to say, > > Something's not quite right about this camel ride, > > And I'm feeling so damn thirsty. > > lol. > > -- Camel guy Yes, be thirsty, be very very thirsty. And don't trust anything anyone has told you about how it's supposed to be. Have no faith at all in anyone's description of truth, nor any formulas devised by human beings that are supposed to make a human being into something else. This " something else " is not manufactured by the human mind, nor human activities, in any way. Nor is it opposed to anything that humans devise or do. It's just that whether you're shoveling shit, or sitting in intense meditation, or lying in a hospital bed -- is all the same to *this* ... -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Realization , " Rob Sacks " <editor@r...> wrote: > > D'oh. I totally misunderstood you. > > > > I gave up once involuntarily. Two years ago. > > That was when my glimpse happened. But > > effort and hoping came back. After that I > > couldn't meditate for six months because I knew > > that it was counter-productive. But gradually > > the memory wore off. > > > > Well, nothing to do then. > > > > > FIRST, the fish needs to say, > > > Something's not quite right about this camel ride, > > > And I'm feeling so damn thirsty. > > > > lol. > > > > -- Camel guy > > > Yes, be thirsty, be very very thirsty. > > And don't trust anything anyone has told you > about how it's supposed to be. > -- Dan Right not even Dan. Not Judi. Not Manjusri. It is not about belief but about dying to your self. One way or another the self must see it's own illusion and destruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > Realization , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " > <editor@r...> wrote: > > > D'oh. I totally misunderstood you. > > > > > > I gave up once involuntarily. Two years ago. > > > That was when my glimpse happened. But > > > effort and hoping came back. After that I > > > couldn't meditate for six months because I knew > > > that it was counter-productive. But gradually > > > the memory wore off. > > > > > > Well, nothing to do then. > > > > > > > FIRST, the fish needs to say, > > > > Something's not quite right about this camel ride, > > > > And I'm feeling so damn thirsty. > > > > > > lol. > > > > > > -- Camel guy > > > > > > Yes, be thirsty, be very very thirsty. > > > > And don't trust anything anyone has told you > > about how it's supposed to be. > > > -- Dan > > > Right not even Dan. Not Judi. Not Manjusri. It is not about belief > but about dying to your self. One way or another the self must > see it's own illusion and destruction. No -- the self doesn't see it. Just another version of vanity. No matter if self dresses up with spiritual Eastern names and talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " dan330033 " <dan330033> wrote: > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > Realization , " dan330033 " > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " > > <editor@r...> wrote: > > > > D'oh. I totally misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > I gave up once involuntarily. Two years ago. > > > > That was when my glimpse happened. But > > > > effort and hoping came back. After that I > > > > couldn't meditate for six months because I knew > > > > that it was counter-productive. But gradually > > > > the memory wore off. > > > > > > > > Well, nothing to do then. > > > > > > > > > FIRST, the fish needs to say, > > > > > Something's not quite right about this camel ride, > > > > > And I'm feeling so damn thirsty. > > > > > > > > lol. > > > > > > > > -- Camel guy > > > > > > > > > Yes, be thirsty, be very very thirsty. > > > > > > And don't trust anything anyone has told you > > > about how it's supposed to be. > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > Right not even Dan. Not Judi. Not Manjusri. It is not about belief > > but about dying to your self. One way or another the self must > > see it's own illusion and destruction. > > No -- the self doesn't see it. > > Just another version of vanity. > > No matter if self dresses up with > spiritual Eastern names and talk. Don't take that as the literal self . self goes it never was. What does it matter if couched in eastern terms or western psychology ? one and the same . What remains that sees? What remains to type? What remains to speak or not speak ? Has it ever been? That is only known once the rest falls away. Until then we are speaking to minds within searching and duality .. Therefore it is related on that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus> wrote: > Realization , " dan330033 " > <dan330033> wrote: > > Realization , " manjusrilotus " > > <manjusrilotus> wrote: > > > Realization , " dan330033 " > > > <dan330033> wrote: > > > > Realization , " Rob Sacks " > > > <editor@r...> wrote: > > > > > D'oh. I totally misunderstood you. > > > > > > > > > > I gave up once involuntarily. Two years ago. > > > > > That was when my glimpse happened. But > > > > > effort and hoping came back. After that I > > > > > couldn't meditate for six months because I knew > > > > > that it was counter-productive. But gradually > > > > > the memory wore off. > > > > > > > > > > Well, nothing to do then. > > > > > > > > > > > FIRST, the fish needs to say, > > > > > > Something's not quite right about this camel ride, > > > > > > And I'm feeling so damn thirsty. > > > > > > > > > > lol. > > > > > > > > > > -- Camel guy > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, be thirsty, be very very thirsty. > > > > > > > > And don't trust anything anyone has told you > > > > about how it's supposed to be. > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > Right not even Dan. Not Judi. Not Manjusri. It is not about > belief > > > but about dying to your self. One way or another the self > must > > > see it's own illusion and destruction. > > > > No -- the self doesn't see it. > > > > Just another version of vanity. > > > > No matter if self dresses up with > > spiritual Eastern names and talk. > > > Don't take that as the literal self . self goes it never was. > > What does it matter if couched in eastern terms or western > psychology ? one and the same . > > What remains that sees? What remains to type? What remains > to speak or not speak ? Has it ever been? That is only known > once the rest falls away. > > Until then we are speaking to minds within searching and duality > . Therefore it is related on that level. What hasn't been spoken, remains unsaid. Who has never spoken, remains beyond speech. The one who knows, has never said. My words are silly, empty, and trite. Far from truth. I smile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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