Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Aha .. now we are getting to the root of it .. You have finally asked something of us, now we are into the realm of expectations. And in understanding ourselves, we are then able to understand .. and accept ... you? Is this how it works Judi? love from deb xxx who is getting dizzy from going round round and round in circles I only ask that you understand yourselves. And in that *understanding* of yourselves, the world will be a nicer, a MUCH nicer place. Amen! Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Oh you rode the express train. Here it was 30 + years to ripen and fall.This is the problem when it is said there was nothing or is nothing to do. People believe that they can just sit and *get it* overnight. Doesn't happen that way, not even for Sri Ramana Maharishi. No overnight wonders or instantly enlightened moments which may be taken for Realization. ****** Actually it was about a year and a half for me, after I committed. It was Gurjieff's teaching that gave me the tools to actually work with. A certain amount of preparation, yes, maturity in relation to the whole business. And the desire has to be there, which I find is what most people lack in the first place. The desire to actually go beyond themselves isn't there. As an entertainment perhaps, but not really. It's not really what people want. People are just looking to be comfortable, to pleasure themselves. And that kind of mediocrity doesn't cut it. But as far as how long it actually takes, I would say that for a mature person who is prepared, shouldn't take more than a couple years of intense work. Any longer than that, I would say something's amiss somewhere and needs to be looked at. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 - Rob Sacks Realization Monday, April 14, 2003 9:52 PM Re: Re: deb's ghost / Judi > I got to laugh, with my Michael over in Iraq now, he > told his brother in law, Rocky, that he was gonna catch > and spray paint his name on the side of a camel for him. > So they're all watching the tv all the time, looking for camels > running around with "Rocky" spray painted on its side. :-) lol. How's Michael doing? ******** No news is good news. Thanks for asking. Last we heard he was in the southern part patrolling in his Bradley. That was a couple weeks ago. Things seem to be settlling down over there, so I'm not quite on pins and needles, especially with the chance of his getting "slimed". That's what the guys over there call it, like in movie Ghostbusters. :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 - deb Realization Monday, April 14, 2003 9:59 PM deb's ghost / Judi Aha .. now we are getting to the root of it .. You have finally asked something of us, now we are into the realm of expectations. And in understanding ourselves, we are then able to understand .. and accept ... you? Is this how it works Judi? ******* Is it any wonder with nasty people like you that the world is in the state it's in? Go away. And I mean it. Go away. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > Oh you rode the express train. Here it was 30 + years to ripen > and fall. > This is the problem when it is said there was nothing or is > nothing to do. People believe that they can just sit and *get it* > overnight. > Doesn't happen that way, not even for Sri Ramana Maharishi. > No overnight wonders or instantly enlightened moments which > may be taken for Realization. > > > ****** Actually it was about a year and a half for me, after I committed. It was Gurjieff's teaching that gave me the tools to actually work with. > > A certain amount of preparation, yes, maturity in relation to the whole business. And the desire has to be there, which I find is what most people lack in the first place. The desire to actually go beyond themselves isn't there. As an entertainment perhaps, but not really. It's not really what people want. People are just looking to be comfortable, to pleasure themselves. And that kind of mediocrity doesn't cut it. > > But as far as how long it actually takes, I would say that for a mature person who is prepared, shouldn't take more than a couple years of intense work. Any longer than that, I would say something's amiss somewhere and needs to be looked at. > > Judi Then in that case your train must have got stuck on a hill. The train dismantled in about 6 months time once the real confrontation and dismantling began in earnest . There was here a spontaneous questioning that took place. Deeper and deeper until simply shreds remained. Then nothing was there. A few months of adjusting to a Zen way of empty seeing took time to settle in. Now it is all quite a normal everyday life but attempting to look back - nothing remains of the illusive persona that was. May it rest in Peace wherever it disolved into the ethers. It shall never return for it never was . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Dear Manjusrilotus, What is it like when the " the real confrontation and dismantling [begins] in earnest " ? Is it like you suddenly take seriously the fact that you're sitting there all day doing this endless stuff, and suddenly you say, good grief, what am I doing? I'm guessing that it's pointless to try to imagine it but I'd like to get my fingernails into the beginning of it. Rob - " manjusrilotus " <manjusrilotus <Realization > Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:20 AM Re: deb's ghost / Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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