Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Hi Rob I ideally, what should happen after the Dark Night of the Soul, or watchmacallit is that one realises, that there is only the Self of Ramana, or only the *awareness* of Nisargadatta or there is only the Will of God in action. The self-proclaimed gurus, awakened ones and the realized ones most are in a limbo for a while than either they are vigilant and keep the state, or get caught in 'delusion' because they are commig up with " new " egos ....thos falling back,..among these the worst are who don't recognize this but are in a stubborn static anoncement " I am realized " : closed to everything, disconnected from the Source, living in the limiting prison of their own faulty rhetoric It is easy to recognize the genuine ones.. awareness, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Hi RobI ideally, what should happen afterthe Dark Night of the Soul, or watchmacallit is that one realises,that there is only the Self of Ramana,or only the *awareness* of Nisargadatta or there is only the Will of God in action.The self-proclaimed gurus, awakenedones and the realized ones most arein a limbo for a while than either they are vigilant and keep the state,or get caught in 'delusion' becausethey are commig up with "new" egos ...thos falling back,..among these the worst are who don't recognize thisbut are in a stubborn static anoncement "I am realized": closed to everything, disconnected from the Source, living in the limiting prisonof their own faulty rhetoricIt is easy to recognize the genuineones.. awareness, Karta ********** Well until such time that you have first hand direct experiential understanding all you can do is speculate which is not helping or furthering your cause in the least. And that's why realized persons speak a certain "language" that only they can understand amongst themselves that goes right over other people's heads. And they can't *teach* this language to you, you can read book after book, listen to lecture after lecture, but you will always mis-understand. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > Hi Rob > > Ideally, what should happen after > the Dark Night of the Soul, or > watchmacallit is that one realises, > that there is only the Self of Ramana, > or only the *awareness* of > Nisargadatta or there is only the > Will of God in action. > > The self-proclaimed gurus, awakened > ones and the realized ones most are > in a limbo for a while than either > they are vigilant and keep the state, > or get caught in 'delusion' because > they are commig up with " new " egos > ...thos falling back,..among these > the worst are who don't recognize this > but are in a stubborn static > anoncement " I am realized " : closed > to everything, disconnected from the > Source, living in the limiting prison > of their own faulty rhetoric > > It is easy to recognize the genuine > ones.. > > awareness, Karta > > ********** Well until such time that you have first hand direct experiential understanding all you can do is speculate which is not helping or furthering your cause in the least. And that's why realized persons speak a certain " language " that only they can understand amongst themselves Karta; I know, since you don't understand what I wrote above either peace, Karta J: that goes right over other people's heads. And they can't *teach* this language to you, you can read book after book, listen to lecture after lecture, but you will always mis-understand. > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2003 Report Share Posted April 14, 2003 >Karta; I know, since you don'tunderstand what I wrote above either peace, Karta ********** I understand perfectly what you write Karta, it's always the same thing - "I'm a jealous angry person", over and over and over and over again. That's all you ever say Karta. No matter what the "words" come out of your mouth, we all hear you loud and clear. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > Karta; I know, since you don't > understand what I wrote above either > > peace, Karta > > ********** I understand perfectly what you write Karta, it's always the same thing - > " I'm a jealous angry person " , over and over and over and over again. That's all you ever say Karta. No matter what the " words " come out of your mouth, we all hear you loud and clear. > > Judi I am glad Judi, that I provide a clear mirror for you to see yourself in. congratulations! you just described yourself I lived among REAL Enlightened beings since age 14 even, and meet many Realized teachers and Satgurus; I do recognize and I CAN differentiate between A GENUINE, CONNECTED TO THE *SOURCE* REALIZED BEING from a false one: acting from a mutated rhetoric ...[with anger]; some one who learned the the non-dual lingo and is all the day on the Internet fishing..., but IS disconnected from the Source Take my word for it Judi, you ARE disconnected from the Source. and look in the mirror again... later Bye, for now I am going to sleep, since God awakens me at three in the morning to meditate with Love, Karta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " satkartar5 " <mi_nok> wrote: > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Karta; I know, since you don't > > understand what I wrote above either > > > > peace, Karta > > > > ********** I understand perfectly what you write Karta, it's always the same thing - > > " I'm a jealous angry person " , over and over and over and over again. That's all you ever say Karta. No matter what the " words " come out of your mouth, we all hear you loud and clear. > > > > Judi > > > I am glad Judi, that I provide a clear > mirror for you to see yourself in. > > congratulations! you just described > yourself > > I lived among REAL Enlightened beings > since age 14 even, and meet many > Realized teachers and Satgurus; I do recognize and I CAN differentiate > between A GENUINE, CONNECTED TO THE > *SOURCE* REALIZED BEING from a false > one: acting from a mutated rhetoric > ..[with anger]; some one who learned > the the non-dual lingo and is all > the day on the Internet fishing..., > but IS disconnected from the Source > > Take my word for it Judi, you ARE > disconnected from the Source. > > and look in the mirror again... later > > Bye, for now I am going to sleep, > since God awakens me at three in the > morning to meditate with > > Love, Karta Sfunny, really, all this stuff people say about Judi. When I think of her I feel joy, light, freedom, energy, laughter, a wonderful vitality, clarity, aliveness - she truly brings my day alive. Karta, Onnica (sp?), Deb em-tee etc, etc and indeed myself too (don't worry Rob, I'm not suicidal!?) all just make me think of darkness, poison, slime - especially Onnica - thanks for providing us with the photo in your profile so that I can clearly picture your little dribbling troll face! - Is that you? Love, light and gurgling happiness, Tanya x. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " satkartar5 " <mi_nok> wrote: > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Karta; I know, since you don't > > understand what I wrote above either > > > > peace, Karta > > > > ********** I understand perfectly what you write Karta, it's always the same thing - > > " I'm a jealous angry person " , over and over and over and over again. That's all you ever say Karta. No matter what the " words " come out of your mouth, we all hear you loud and clear. > > > > Judi > > > I am glad Judi, that I provide a clear > mirror for you to see yourself in. > > congratulations! you just described > yourself > ********** Gee, you coulda fooled me, I'm not the one running around obsessed posting about " Judi " all over the net. How stupid do you think people are? You're using me to get attention for yourself, how old are you, about 14? Face it Karta, inside you just seethe with jealousy and anger, it's what runs your life, and no doubt you will be buried with it. Here lies Karta, a miserable angry jealous person. Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Realization , " Tanya Davis " <tanyarowan@h...> wrote: > Realization , " satkartar5 " <mi_nok> wrote: > > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karta; I know, since you don't > > > understand what I wrote above either > > > > > > peace, Karta > > > > > > ********** I understand perfectly what you write Karta, it's > always the same thing - > > > " I'm a jealous angry person " , over and over and over and over > again. That's all you ever say Karta. No matter what the " words " come > out of your mouth, we all hear you loud and clear. > > > > > > Judi > > > > > > I am glad Judi, that I provide a clear > > mirror for you to see yourself in. > > > > congratulations! you just described > > yourself > > > > I lived among REAL Enlightened beings > > since age 14 even, and meet many > > Realized teachers and Satgurus; I do recognize and I CAN > differentiate > > between A GENUINE, CONNECTED TO THE > > *SOURCE* REALIZED BEING from a false > > one: acting from a mutated rhetoric > > ..[with anger]; some one who learned > > the the non-dual lingo and is all > > the day on the Internet fishing..., > > but IS disconnected from the Source > > > > Take my word for it Judi, you ARE > > disconnected from the Source. > > > > and look in the mirror again... later > > > > Bye, for now I am going to sleep, > > since God awakens me at three in the > > morning to meditate with > > > > Love, Karta > > > Sfunny, really, all this stuff people say about Judi. > When I think of her I feel joy, light, freedom, energy, laughter, a > wonderful vitality, clarity, aliveness - she truly brings my day > alive. > Karta, Onnica (sp?), Deb em-tee etc, etc and indeed myself too (don't > worry Rob, I'm not suicidal!?) all just make me think of darkness, > poison, slime - especially Onnica - thanks for providing us with the > photo in your profile so that I can clearly picture your little > dribbling troll face! - Is that you? > > Love, light and gurgling happiness, > Tanya x. ********** Well that's very nice Tanya, thank you. And like my mother, she would squinch her nose up and roll her eyes and say, " Sounds like those guys got " personal " problems. " :-) Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 <Karta; I know, since you don't understand what I wrote above either> Karta, that is so true. People have such a hard time communicating. And, it is the mind that does the talking in every case with no exceptions. The emotions direct it. In every case, it all falls right back where it came from and melts like snowflakes in a fire. It takes alot of effort to keep it going. Those ego deaths are nothing but tired fingers clutching a windowsill 30 stories up. My son was reading a funny part from a star trek book to me, yesterday. It was spoken by Q, the omnipotent being. He said he saw a man jump out of a plane and his parachute wouldn't open. The man screamed, " God, why are you doing this to me? " Q, being in a playful mood let the man hear a booming voice that said, " Because you did something that really pissed me off! " Then, because he was in a good mood, he put a haystack where the man would land. The man no doubt spent the rest of his life trying to please god after that and telling everyone who would listen about what he knew. Realization , " satkartar5 " <mi_nok> wrote: > Realization , " Judi Rhodes " <judirhodes@z...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rob > > > > Ideally, what should happen after > > the Dark Night of the Soul, or > > watchmacallit is that one realises, > > that there is only the Self of Ramana, > > or only the *awareness* of > > Nisargadatta or there is only the > > Will of God in action. > > > > The self-proclaimed gurus, awakened > > ones and the realized ones most are > > in a limbo for a while than either > > they are vigilant and keep the state, > > or get caught in 'delusion' because > > they are commig up with " new " egos > > ...thos falling back,..among these > > the worst are who don't recognize this > > but are in a stubborn static > > anoncement " I am realized " : closed > > to everything, disconnected from the > > Source, living in the limiting prison > > of their own faulty rhetoric > > > > It is easy to recognize the genuine > > ones.. > > > > awareness, Karta > > > > ********** Well until such time that you have first hand direct experiential understanding all you can do is speculate which is not helping or furthering your cause in the least. And that's why realized persons speak a certain " language " that only they can understand amongst themselves > > > > Karta; I know, since you don't > understand what I wrote above either > > peace, Karta > > J: that goes right over other people's heads. And they can't *teach* this language to you, you can read book after book, listen to lecture after lecture, but you will always mis-understand. > > > > Judi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 " Onniko " <onniko> wrote: > <Karta; I know, since you don't > understand what I wrote above either> > > Karta, that is so true. People have such a hard time communicating. > And, it is the mind that does the talking in every case with no > exceptions. The emotions direct it. In every case, it all falls > right back where it came from and melts like snowflakes in a fire. > It takes alot of effort to keep it going. Those ego deaths are > nothing but tired fingers clutching a windowsill 30 stories up. > > My son was reading a funny part from a star trek book to me, > yesterday. It was spoken by Q, the omnipotent being. He said he saw > a man jump out of a plane and his parachute wouldn't open. The man > screamed, " God, why are you doing this to me? " Q, being in a playful > mood let the man hear a booming voice that said, " Because you did > something that really pissed me off! " hehehe Oniko, If you ever decide to melt please keep your humor Love, Karta Then, because he was in a good > mood, he put a haystack where the man would land. The man no doubt > spent the rest of his life trying to please god after that and > telling everyone who would listen about what he knew. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 <Oniko, If you ever decide to melt please keep your humor> Honestly, Karta, I had a melt down 25 years ago that was awfully similar to that sort Judi describes. The only message it left me is the only one that doesn't burn : " It is ok " . I'm paraphrazing, of course ;o). However, there are as many interpretations as there are people once one begins to try and interpret. And it was also true I was left naked as a pure awareness in my sleep to witness as a young child so that would make a difference in interpretation. also. Never say never and never say complete and if anything in you seems more real than you do, bask in it like the sun and don't let anyone tell you it isn't. And if anyone you meet seems more real to you than you do, ignore the feeling altogether. There now, you have my complete book of wisdom. Let's have some more ice cream. I'm on a diet, too. Realization , " satkartar5 " <mi_nok> wrote: > " Onniko " <onniko> wrote: > > <Karta; I know, since you don't > > understand what I wrote above either> > > > > Karta, that is so true. People have such a hard time communicating. > > And, it is the mind that does the talking in every case with no > > exceptions. The emotions direct it. In every case, it all falls > > right back where it came from and melts like snowflakes in a fire. > > It takes alot of effort to keep it going. > Those ego deaths are > > nothing but tired fingers clutching a windowsill 30 stories up. > > > > My son was reading a funny part from a star trek book to me, > > yesterday. It was spoken by Q, the omnipotent being. He said he saw > > a man jump out of a plane and his parachute wouldn't open. The man > > screamed, " God, why are you doing this to me? " Q, being in a playful > > mood let the man hear a booming voice that said, " Because you did > > something that really pissed me off! " > > > hehehe > > Oniko, If you ever decide to melt > please keep your humor > > Love, Karta > > Then, because he was in a good > > mood, he put a haystack where the man would land. The man no doubt > > spent the rest of his life trying to please god after that and > > telling everyone who would listen about what he knew. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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