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> Dear Gary,

>

>> Jan's reflections demonstrate the sort of

>> incoherence even bright minds get mired in

>> when they start with God, Awareness,

>> Subjectivity, and the like instead of the more

>> obvious and humble world of ordinary human

>> experience....

>

> You may find his position distasteful but it

> seems perfectly coherent to me.

>

Of course it does, if you leave out the parts that contradict each other. He

begins:

 

> How many of us would want to rent a Movie which has people living

> peacefully? No violence or sex, no suffering, no tension, just boring

> people moving about happily, peacefully with permanent smiles on their

> faces? I don't think anybody would make such a movie!

>

> So why do you want God to watch such a movie? Afterall this is his movie,

> his dream isn't it?

>

This says that God would be bored if human life were without conflict and

suffering.

 

> Even if you don't believe in non-dualism, assuming you were given a choice

> of which life you wanted to lead on earth [in order to take a small holiday

> from the boredom of heaven] would you not choose a life with pain,

> suffering, etc.? So that when you returned to God you could appreciate the

> peacefulness there!

 

This says the life with God is peaceful. It also says that we all naturally

hit ourselves on the head in order to enjoy how good it feels when we stop.

 

Logic is not everything, but it is a necessary condition for intelligible

human communication.

 

> Perhaps Jan raised your hackles, Gary, because

> his view seems immoral in the present context.

 

I'm not interested in immoral or moral, which are very confused concepts. I

am interested in clear thinking and effective action, neither of which were

promoted by either Jan's ruminations or your reply. More below.

>

> " Murders, death in all its shapes, the capture

> and sacking of towns, all must be considered

> as so much stage-show, so many shiftings of

> scenes, the horror and outcry of a play; for

> here too, in all the changing doom of life, it

> is not the true man, the inner soul that grieves

> and laments but merely the phantasm of the man,

> the outer man, playing his part on the boards

> of the world. " (Enneads, III.2.15.)

>

> Perhaps Jan raised your hackles, Gary, because

> his view seems immoral in the present context. But

> the Plotinus quotation shows that the doctrine

> stems from deeply moral impulses, the desire

> to reconcile a benign God with the terrible

> world we live in.

 

In fact, Plotinus' view taken as reconciler is logically incoherent. Every

attempt to reconcile a notion of a benign God with the world as we know it

has been shown to be inconsistent, question-begging, or to fall into an

infinite regress. Fortunately, the passage you quote is not meant to be a

reconciler at all, but is an expression of the Witness function ( " the inner

soul " ) in enlightened humans, who refuse to identify completely with what is

happening to them.

 

Basically, my concern here as with all my other postings is not to confuse

two contexts of religious language: the psychological or esoteric and the

ontological ( " objective reality " ) or exoteric. Misread as an ontological

statement, Plotinus above has been repeatedly shown to be incoherent. Read

correctly as a psychological statement, Plotinus expresses our Witness

function, as I just explained.

 

Best to all,

 

Gary Schouborg

Performance Consulting

Walnut Creek, CA

garyscho

 

Publications and professional services:

http://home.att.net/~garyscho

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every perspective you mention will be still " mind " .Even " the big guy

upthere " is only in the mind.

" THAT " is without any value we can think of.

Love,

Shanti

 

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" Jan Sultan " <swork

<sworkalpha

Thursday, September 13, 2001 5:46 PM

God's Movie

 

 

> Just a look from another perspective about the recent events in New York.

>

> How many of us would want to rent a Movie which has people living

> peacefully? No violence or sex, no suffering, no tension, just boring

> people moving about happily, peacefully with permanent smiles on their

> faces? I don't think anybody would make such a movie!

>

> So why do you want God to watch such a movie? Afterall this is his movie,

> his dream isn't it?

>

> Even if you don't believe in non-dualism, assuming you were given a choice

> of which life you wanted to lead on earth [in order to take a small

holiday

> from the boredom of heaven] would you not choose a life with pain,

> suffering, etc.? So that when you returned to God you could appreciate the

> peacefulness there!

>

> Just thinking for the big guy up there!:-)

>

> ______________________

> With Love,

> Cyber Dervish

> ````````````````````````````````````````

>

>

>

>

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