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[Guest guest]

Hello everone,

I am going to be a little brave here, hehe, and say something that some might not like. We have been talking about the united states, how terrible this is, and what those people did to us, right? Well, now, open up your mind for one second, and think, think of the pain and suffering these people who did this were going through. Have you ever been very mad, and you felt as though you could just do some kind of violent thing, but, you sa, you would never, well, these people were like that, but they were pushed over the edge, and they couldn't help it. They were helpless I say. They were so full of anger and hatred and all of this. I do not think that war is a good thing for this, or any other thing. War only makes it worse. Hatred towards them doesn't help any, to send love to them, and good feelings to them. It will effect them. If we project hatrec and anger to them, the universal consciousness will be filled more with hatred and anger, and more of these events will happen. So, if not for these people who did this, do it for all humans i8n the future, for the good of everyone. Hatred and violence does no good, only love.

 

Blessed be

Leaf

[Guest guest]

Dear Leaf,

 

Let's put the political question aside for a

moment. I'll return to it at the end of this

message.

 

I think your message is very beautiful. The

spirit of the sermon on the mount is

spontaneously alive in your heart. The

sermon on the mount always brings tears to

my eyes, and your message has the same

effect.

 

As we come closer to an experience of the

natural state, we become increasingly aware

of the enormous love that burns within us.

From meditation it has become apparent to me

that a thermonuclear explosion of love burns

within my chest. There is a sort of valve,

a kind of contraction, that prevents the love

from radiating toward everyone in every

direction. Just as a sort of mental contraction

forms the ego, a similar contraction makes

us feel that we don't love our enemies. The

release of the first contraction is jnana; the

release of the second is bhakti. Really they

are two aspects of a single phenomenon.

When one valve relaxes, the other relaxes

too. In a perfectly relaxed state, the ego

dissolves and love fills everything.

 

When we urge people to love their enemies,

we are telling them to emulate the way that

people feel naturally when they begin to

experience glimpses of enlightement.

 

But what can we conclude from this about

the best action to take? Absolutely nothing.

 

Some people will think that if we love our

enemies, we must be passive and let them

hurt us. Perhaps this is the teaching of

Christianity, of the sermon on the mount.

 

But what is the teaching of the Bhagavad

Gita? Isn't it the exact opposite? Arjuna drops

his weapons and refuses to fight because he

doesn't want to kill. God says to him: nonsense,

pick up your weapons and fight. Fight because it's

your duty; fight because you really aren't

the actor; fight because they don't really die.

 

It's also interesting to remember that Sankara,

the major philosopher of Advaita Vedanta,

taught that people should not attempt to

act nondualistically in the phenomenonal world.

 

When it comes to love, I imagine that if I met the

terrorists who planned this act, I might feel love

for them. It would depend on how much I

meditated that day. The feeling might really

be there.

 

But my opinion (not that it matters) about the

right course of action is that the United States

should use every ounce of its military strength to

hunt down everyone responsible and kill them.

 

Why? Because next time they are going to use

nuclear weapons or chemical weapons or

biological weapons. We should protect ourselves.

 

There have been leaks from intelligence agencies

that Sadam Hussein has managed to build two

nuclear bombs.

 

I think that yesterday's events have a fortunate

aspect. They rang an alarm bell. Maybe now the

U.S. will wake up and defend itself. The world

is not a safe place.

 

Your bud,

 

Rob

 

-

Joe0464

Realization

Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:24 PM

(no subject)

 

 

Hello everone,

I am going to be a little brave here, hehe, and say something that some might

not like. We have been talking about the united states, how terrible this

is, and what those people did to us, right? Well, now, open up your mind for

one second, and think, think of the pain and suffering these people who did

this were going through. Have you ever been very mad, and you felt as though

you could just do some kind of violent thing, but, you sa, you would never,

well, these people were like that, but they were pushed over the edge, and

they couldn't help it. They were helpless I say. They were so full of anger

and hatred and all of this. I do not think that war is a good thing for

this, or any other thing. War only makes it worse. Hatred towards them

doesn't help any, to send love to them, and good feelings to them. It will

effect them. If we project hatrec and anger to them, the universal

consciousness will be filled more with hatred and anger, and more of these

events will happen. So, if not for these people who did this, do it for all

humans i8n the future, for the good of everyone. Hatred and violence does no

good, only love.

 

Blessed be

Leaf