Definite Means for Salvation - Insights / Doubts / Agree / Disagree

April 28, 2009

Shree Hari Ram Ram Namaskaar Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification! and if there are no doubts ! SIMPLY LIVE BY THESE WORDS, THESE PRINCIPLES !

PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT !

With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance.

Ram Ram ---------------------------

The message is so perfect. How to add to such perfection?Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita"Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning"(13/19)"Oh Arjuna!Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit(Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti)Matter so as to derive pleasure from it.By accepting the relationship of I ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen

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Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor

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:Shree Hari:Ram Ram

Definite Means for Salvation

Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.

In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation.

Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation -

1. Nothing is mine at all 2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.

The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint. (partial message)

From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

Ram Ram

For ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 1, 2009

Shree Hari Ram Ram Namaskaar Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification! and if there are no doubts ! SIMPLY LIVE BY THESE WORDS, THESE PRINCIPLES !

PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT !

With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance.

Ram Ram ---------------------------

Dear Sadhak,

1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala 2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi.

with Love,

A sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

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Namaste

"The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..."

Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ?

Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta.

Ram Ram

Deosaran Bisnath

Namaste

"The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..."

Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ?

Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta.

Ram Ram

Deosaran Bisnath

Namaste

"The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..."

Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ?

Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta.

Ram Ram

Deosaran Bisnath

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PRIOR POSTING

The message is so perfect. How to add to such perfection?Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita"Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning"(13/19)"Oh Arjuna!Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit(Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti)Matter so as to derive pleasure from it.By accepting the relationship of I ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen

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Shree Hari-

I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.

I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.

And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.

'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'

You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation. In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all 2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint. (partial message) From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 5, 2009

Shree HariRam Ram Namaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths - 1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification! PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES! With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram ---------------------------NEW POSTINGDear Sadhak,

1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala

2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why

do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.

3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?

4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi.

with Love,

A sadhika

Sadhna Karigar

The message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram Ram Anilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious). From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram ----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman------------------------- Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation. In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint. When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 6, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification! PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES! With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTINGDear sadaks,

1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but

many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large

friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down

by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire.

2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)

2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.

3)"I

have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas

Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and

sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father,

mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.

4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri

Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely.

When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly

relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent)

naturally.

Jai Sri Krishna

B.Sathyanarayan

---1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala 2.

I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I

need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar

Crystal clear is Sadhna

jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never

arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness

...................

Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my Being

Krishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my Consciousness

Krishna is the heart yearning for Fulfilment

Krishna himself the fulfilment of Love

Krishna is You

Krishna is Me

Krishna is The Union of You and Me

HIS Gift His Grace !

Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai Krishna

AUM

narinder bhandariI would read the same four sentences as follows:1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari OmSadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you. Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) ! Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------Jai HanumanSwamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!! Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge. Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---Narain ! Narain !!

Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is

complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is

that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous.

You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs

get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung

any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself

? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at

the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your

need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you

see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message

become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of

other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way

you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj

would never have appeared incomplete or

dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and

people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in

you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is

there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant

to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon

God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend,

still things are necessary !

Narain ! Narain !!

Naarad N Maharishi ------Jai Shree Krishna

This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of

the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact

reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means

"detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor

/pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical

remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by

thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As

Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji

must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES

? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of

this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also.

( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate

actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will

definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most,

if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing

"Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in "

Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take

dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water,

there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in

"maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you

are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement

less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans"

get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ?

Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect

to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to

His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit,

is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek

clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin.

There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE

NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as

soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without

reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And

the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly

remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which

is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration.

Swami Rupesh Kumar ---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhak,1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna KarigarThe message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious). From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 7, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification!PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES!With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTINGHari OmThe beauty with

great Saints and Sages of Sanatan Dharma has always been that they

explain in mimimum words the highest truths to the world at large. Take

for example today's sadhak message where in Swamiji has quoted Goswami

Tulsidasji Maharaj:Tulsi mamata Raam se, Samata sab sansaarRaag na rosh na dosh dukh , daas bhaye bhav paar Mineness

only with God and Equanimity with the world- with no attachment or

aversion ; no sorrow of having flaws ; with these attributes one who

has surrendered to Him ( depended upon Him) attains emancipation.What has been left to be covered? How simple ? How easy? VILAKSHAN ! Kitni saral baat ! Kitni Sundar baat !!The four principles of Swamiji under discussion straight away lead you to aforesaid state ! Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

-----------Dear Sadhak-insight

Read the story of Pandwas and Kauravas. in Mahabharata.Both

wanted help from Lord Krishna.Duryodhan asked for the whole bench of

soldiers to fight war.While Arjun wanted Lord Krishna God.As God was with Pandvas they won the war . Similalrly if we remember

God every day and tell him that every thing you own,I owe nothing then

God will endow healing grace upon us. This is what I believe.

Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------â€œHumans have a history of

just 7 million years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to

consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`... because after another 7

million yearsâ€¦ a superior species of animals is going to evolve...â€œSo go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your

`Soul` will take care of itself.."So stated our brother Shri Gee Waman jee in his post. But he did not tell on

what basis had he said so. He had not witnessed them personally seven million

years before, nor probably would he be there to vouchsafe them at the end. How could then he say all that?

If what he said was on the basis of Darwinâ€™s

Theory of Evolution, then our respectful submission is that it is still a

theory and not become a Law to grant us the authority to challenge the divine Scriptural truths

on its basis, or reject, spurn and repudiate the ultimate truths and

words of Bhagawan Shri Krishna Himself.

Animals are still there for

any one to see, as are also humans and the higher beings: the Devaas. How could

it be said then that they were evolved from the animals and a superior species of

animals would be evolved from them in the future?

According to our knowledge

and belief, the site is dedicated to the spread of the teachings and knowledge

of Gita and is particularly meant for Gita Sadhaks. Why should we be bringing

in extraneous and controversial matters onto it? Why should we be implanting Western

theories of evolution while discussing those matters? Would they be of any help and use in the Gita Sadhana? How?

Our humble opinion is that we should

not transgress the aims of the site and concern ourselves only with them

and the accepted authority, Shrimad Bhagavad Gita.

With apologies, Dr. Ranjeet Singh-------In whateve field you are in, sincerely following the path of

Purusharthas or discharging your duties according to the principles of

Purusharthas (Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha) is the only means for

Salvation.Love and Love alone.....

-- Paritala Gopi Krishna-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadaks,1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire. 2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.3)"I have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father, mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely. When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent) naturally.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan ---1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar Crystal clear is Sadhna jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness .................. Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my BeingKrishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my ConsciousnessKrishna is the heart yearning for FulfilmentKrishna himself the fulfilment of LoveKrishna is YouKrishna is Me Krishna is The Union of You and Me HIS Gift His Grace !Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai KrishnaAUM narinder bhandariI would read the same four sentences as follows:1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari OmSadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you. Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) ! Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------Jai HanumanSwamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!! Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge. Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---Narain ! Narain !! Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous. You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself ? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj would never have appeared incomplete or dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend, still things are necessary ! Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi------Jai Shree Krishna This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means "detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor /pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES ? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also. ( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most, if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing "Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in " Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water, there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in "maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans" get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ? Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit, is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin. There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration. Swami Rupesh Kumar ---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhak,1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna KarigarThe message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious).From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 23, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification!PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES!With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTINGWhat has been said is the truth but most people realise this only whenthey are on the point of leaving this world. Hari Shanker Deo -------Shree Hari. Ram Ram.1.Nothing is mine at all2.I need nothing at all3.I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4.Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.I have 2 questions. How

can I accept above these facts? Main thing which I do is that I try to

remind myself of these facts. Swamiji's books also remind me of these.

But still, it is difficult to remove maya i.e. self's identification

with body. Hopefully, it will happen one day.Another question is that how should I act with above understanding.

I know I need to take care of family, children and work. But still,

more details are needed. For example, in India I have not seen my

family doing housework. They will get someone to do their work. But in

US, I have to do all house work. I have to cut grass, fix electrical

problem, dig holes, do dishes, do laundry etc. I don't do many stuff

and my house is mess. Is that OK? How much one is supposed to work?

This is just one example. We need to make such decisions all the time.

Similarly, at office there are different quality of same work. Ultimately, nothing is mine. This house is not mine. I can do

reasonable work which will pay do. How much effort should I put to

improve quality of work?It is difficult to apply the above 4

principles when we don't truly realize them. We need to make lot of

decisions related to application of above principles. I hope I make

them right. But many of them are confusing.Ram RamGaurav Mittal

-----------Dear Moderater,

I send you a message about myself because I need help.There are so

many ppl who send many kinds of messages and you ppl give them a chance

to find advise.I am waiting and waiting for advise but you did not give

me any.I am guilty as hell for abusing my good wife.I am suicidal now

with the feelings of guilt. Meditation give little relief in short time

period and then I feel suicidal again.I am afraid of dying because I

will go to hell. Even the great Yudhistir went to hell for a little bit

because he spoke just a little lie.Where will many of us big liars go

then after death.I preach but did not know what I was preaching.Help me

learned ones.Tell me what to do?

Vishook Sharma.--------Dear Sadhaks,

Ram Ram.

My wife wrote about my abuse to her.I am an arrogant man and

always think I am better.I studied Geeta and lecture on it.What I

preach was opposite to my actions to my wife.God gifted me a good wife

who was devoted but I did not accept her goodness.When I start to read

the mails from this group something hit me but I was still full of my

own arrogance.I wanted to read more so when I go out and give talks I

can show off my great knowledge.One night I had a dream, my wife and I

had died and there was the attendance of Death coming towards us. They

took me and I ask why they are not taking my wife. Then we saw some

celestial beings coming for her. I called to them that I am her husband

why are you taking her alone.They said, you cannot be in heaven

because you are a wicked person.I asked them what did I do for them to

say that. They said I preach God's name and God's word and yet I abuse

my good wife and yet

expect to go to heaven? I woke up in sweat and very afraid. I am trying

to be a better person since that night.I do not want to go to hell.I

started being nice to her.Then I had the same dream again. I said but I

am nice to my wife now.They said that only because you are afraid of

hell and reminded me that God knows everything that humans do not

know.I was shaken. I was feeling that I was doing enough to get to

heaven. I decide to talk to a doctor and found out I was a bully with

anger problems.I am getting better but my wife still is afraid to

trust me.I did not get the dream again since.I know now that I deserve

to go to hell for what I did to my wife.I am ashamed.I will spend my

life regretting my actions.I know now that anyone who know Geeta can

never be abusive.I deserve to go to hell.My salvation is the result of

my actions and because I do bad actions I must get hell as my

salvation.

Vishook Sharma-------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe beauty with great Saints and Sages of Sanatan Dharma has always been that they explain in mimimum words the highest truths to the world at large. Take for example today's sadhak message where in Swamiji has quoted Goswami Tulsidasji Maharaj:Tulsi mamata Raam se, Samata sab sansaarRaag na rosh na dosh dukh , daas bhaye bhav paarMineness only with God and Equanimity with the world- with no attachment or aversion ; no sorrow of having flaws ; with these attributes one who has surrendered to Him ( depended upon Him) attains emancipation.What has been left to be covered? How simple ? How easy? VILAKSHAN ! Kitni saral baat ! Kitni Sundar baat !!The four principles of Swamiji under discussion straight away lead you to aforesaid state !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-----------Dear Sadhak-insightRead the story of Pandwas and Kauravas. in Mahabharata.Both wanted help from Lord Krishna.Duryodhan asked for the whole bench of soldiers to fight war.While Arjun wanted Lord Krishna God.As God was with Pandvas they won the war . Similalrly if we remember God every day and tell him that every thing you own,I owe nothing then God will endow healing grace upon us. This is what I believe.Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------â€œHumans have a history of just 7 million years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`... because after another 7 million yearsâ€¦ a superior species of animals is going to evolve...â€œSo go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself.."So stated our brother Shri Gee Waman jee in his post. But he did not tell on what basis had he said so. He had not witnessed them personally seven million years before, nor probably would he be there to vouchsafe them at the end. How could then he say all that?If what he said was on the basis of Darwinâ€™s Theory of Evolution, then our respectful submission is that it is still a theory and not become a Law to grant us the authority to challenge the divine Scriptural truths on its basis, or reject, spurn and repudiate the ultimate truths and words of Bhagawan Shri Krishna Himself.Animals are still there for any one to see, as are also humans and the higher beings: the Devaas. How could it be said then that they were evolved from the animals and a superior species of animals would be evolved from them in the future?According to our knowledge and belief, the site is dedicated to the spread of the teachings and knowledge of Gita and is particularly meant for Gita Sadhaks. Why should we be bringing in extraneous and controversial matters onto it? Why should we be implanting Western theories of evolution while discussing those matters? Would they be of any help and use in the Gita Sadhana? How?Our humble opinion is that we should not transgress the aims of the site and concern ourselves only with them and the accepted authority, Shrimad Bhagavad Gita.With apologies, Dr. Ranjeet Singh-------In whateve field you are in, sincerely following the path of Purusharthas or discharging your duties according to the principles of Purusharthas (Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha) is the only means for Salvation.Love and Love alone.....-- Paritala Gopi Krishna-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadaks,1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire. 2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.3)"I have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father, mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely. When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent) naturally.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar Crystal clear is Sadhna jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness .................. Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my BeingKrishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my ConsciousnessKrishna is the heart yearning for FulfilmentKrishna himself the fulfilment of LoveKrishna is YouKrishna is Me Krishna is The Union of You and Me HIS Gift His Grace !Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai KrishnaAUM narinder bhandariI would read the same four sentences as follows:1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari OmSadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you. Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------Jai HanumanSwamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!!Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge.Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---Narain ! Narain !! Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous. You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself ? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj would never have appeared incomplete or dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend, still things are necessary ! Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi------Jai Shree Krishna This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means "detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor /pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES ? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also. ( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most, if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing "Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in " Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water, there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in "maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans" get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ? Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit, is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin. There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration. Swami Rupesh Kumar---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhak,1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna KarigarThe message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious).From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 23, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification!PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES!With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTINGShree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

This is in response to Mr. Vishook Sharma's' note!

Dear Vishookji,

It

is amazing that you had these wonderful dreams but in my humble

opinion, the dreams are only dreams they cannot be taken as real

signals for the things to happen in future.

It does not matter how bad a person may be, in God's court it is not a barrier to spiritual advancement.

In Gitaji Verses 9/30-31, there is declaration from Lord Krishna:

9-30

"api cet suduracaro, bhajate mam anayabhak

sadar eva sa manatavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah"

Meaning:

Even

if a man of most sinful conduct worships Me with exclusive devotion, he

should be considered as a saint, for he has rightly resolved.

9-31

"ksipram bhavati dhamatma, sasvacchantim nigaccati

kaunteya pratajanihi, na me bhaktah pranashyati"

Meaning

Soon does such a man becomes virtuous and secures lasting peace. Know it for certain, Arjuna, that My devotee never perishes.

In Ramcharit Manas, thee is a declaration by Lord Rama - (Sunder Kanda 44-1)

"sanmukh hoi jiva mohi jabahi, janam koti agha nasahi tabahi"

Meaning:

The moment a creature turns towards Me, the sins incurred by it through millions of lives are washed away.

These

declarations have been proven to be true in our scriptures by many

sinners who turned into true devotees of God .The only condition is

that they must not change their firm resolve. Turning towards god, and

an exclusive love for God.

The requirement is simplicity (Saralta) and sincerity (Chaturai show will not work).

In Ramacharitmanas, Lord Rama says-

"nirmal mana jana so mohi pava, mohi kapata chala chidra na bhava"

Meaning:

Only a man of pure soul can attain to Me; I hae an aversion to for duplicity, wiles and censoriousness.

In

my view you are very fortunate that you have been blessed with a good

wife. Showing your sincerity in day in and day behavior will earn you

her unflinching trust.

Preaching to others without practice on our own does more harm than good to other. It

is possible it may do some good to others but to the one who is

preaching it will only help to boost his false pride and arrogance

which are demonical traits (Asuric Sampati) only.

In Ramcharitmanas (Lanka Kanda 78-1) -

"para updessa kusula bahutere, je acarhi te nara na ghanere"

Meaning:

Indeed there are hosts of people clever in instructing others; but who practice good morals themselves are few and far between.

Pray to Almighty for things to turn around for you!

|| Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura---------------------------Shree Hari-Dear Vishook Sharma,Namaskar,Since the respected Moderators have put your questions in this thread, I willthus reflect upon them.Now you know the Bhagavad Gita better than I for sure, but here is the paradox,I love GOD, and loved HIM long before I had anything to do Gitaji, do you LoveGOD, not theoretically, but absolutely, where when you think of Bhagwan, asoftness comes upon you, a feeling of love and gentleness pervades your heart,you become Love, do you understand what Divine Love is?With your indulgence I will paste in, to remind you, some Shlokas:Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9:29. The same am I to all beings; to me there is none hateful or dear; but thosewho worship me with devotion are in me and I am also in them.30. Even if the most sinful worships me, with devotion to none else, he tooshould indeed be regarded as righteous, for he has rightly resolved.31. Soon he becomes righteous and attains to eternal peace; Arjuna, know you forcertain that my devotee is never destroyed!So what right have you be to pass judgment on yourself, and condemn yourself todamnation, it is almost like you have turned your anger on yourself, so get thatanger under control, (anger management?)If you have any props like booze, drugs, gambling, unhealthy pleasures, dumpthem, there is only one support you need, check out point 4 on the originalquestion of this thread.Your dreams are good guidance and I won't dwell on them, they are timely andhave a quality of grace about them.I am going to give you a tip, and will do my very best to get this point across:Contemplate upon you sins, feel that energy of remorse, clearly you areremorseful, contemplate don't rationalize, try to feel that remorse, stare atyour weakness and hypocrisy, don't back off, go with your remorse. Being in asacred place may help, best be alone, i.e alone with Bhagwaan. HE is there callout to HIM from your heart, what else can you do?Vishookji you may not realize it now, but you have started your journey Home!With Respect and Divine Love,Mike (K)-Hari OmBoth Sadhaks

viz Gauravji Mittal and Vishookji Sharma have raised genuine Qs. I must

congratulate them for being transparent and honest. I see a special

level of sincerity in both of them. I would urge them to carefully read

the advices of our Sadhak Brethren.Let me first take up issues

raised by Sharmaji. You may kindly note that we all sin when not in

equanimous mode. Hence if you have made sins of say wife abuse, there

is nothing extra ordinary about it. A human keeps doing sins every

second- the very non facing towards Paramatma( Vimukhata) and facing

towards world is a chain-creator of sins, sins and sins. God resides in

Equanimity. Except when you are equanimous your all karmas have some

sin hidden in them. Some less, some more, but definitely some.There are 3 steps now to become sinless. Out of these 3 steps you have already completed 2 , believe me on this.But

you are making one grave and one not so grave but still a serious

mistake. Grave mistake is that you are carrying the guilt too much and

are having suicidal thoughts- rather than addressing the same, you are

getting worried. This is not at all good. Now that proves that you have

not yet checked your tendency of sinning. Because in those thoughts too

the highest ever possible sins are hidden - suicide; further pains to

your wife; wastage of precious human life,disrespect to Self, not

considering the world to be divine/testing ground, etc ! The

forgetfulness of Paramatma is continuing, unabated.The second

not so grave but still a significant error is your belief that since

your wife is still distrustful of you, you will go to hell or you will

be considered to be continuing the sin.In fact sins have captured your

mind deeply as evidenced by dreams. Sins have, as a law, already made

you fearful and restless. Your peace has been snatched away by fear.

This is however a good form of fear, ultimately. SOLUTION (Based

on the principles and teachings of Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri

Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and on verses like 9:30/31 of Holy Gita) What

is silver lining in this cloud is your realisation/inner feeling that

you have been sinning. This very fact is the first step of your ceasing

to sin. You can't become error free unless you see the error in you, as

distinct from you - it is a law. The realisation represents that

distinction between ever stainless soul(self) and stains. Ultimately,

It is non acceptance of sin in you-because you could see it.It breaks the assumed affinity.Next

step also you have taken - of telling others/admitting openly that you

were sinning and that now you are regretful/remorseful of the same.

This puts your sins further away from you. When you regret, your

"svabhav" (habit) melts and starts getting changed. A penance or

confession relieves you always. Regret is also a way of distinguishing

yourself from /non acceptance of error in you. Error when it is seen,

goes away from you- It is a law. But regret alone should not be too

long and internal to make you incapacitated for ever or generate fear

in you. You are fearless by nature. Fear goes when you address it.

Saying to others of one's faults is a gem of a quality, very few people

know how good is this quality and how decisive this gesture is to

become sinless. This also reflects straight away the stainlessness in

you. It is a law - that both PAAPS (sins) and PUNYAS (

virtuous conduct) INCREASE CONTINUOUSLY and automatically when they are

kept secret and not revealed to others. Thus telling others of your sins is literally halting automatic and continuous growth of sins.Now

you are only one step away from total destruction of it- I REPEAT

"TOTAL DESTRUCTION "- as if it never was ! That is- a resolution that

you shall never repeat it again. Just one firm decision. I SHALL NEVER

NEVER ABUSE MY WIFE AGAIN-Come what may. Firm Resolution ! You are therefore adviced: 1) not to ever repeat abusing wife; and 2) turn towards God and seek equanimity. You

in fact have become a huge debtor to your wife. You must start repaying

immediately. You must honestly and with complete sincerity now serve

your wife in the best possible manner. You must strive to impart

maximum happiness to her. MUST . You must happily repay her debt. Don't

worry or feel concerned or judge yourself by the yardstick of her

pardoning you or not or of her trusting you or not. Keep serving her,

keep serving, serving and serving - as you serve God, considering that

to be your DUTY, your goal. See God in her. Welcome each and every

disrespect/ignorance of you by your wife and others. Become happy when

you get tough non appreciation, reminders of past conduct, sarcasm, or

revengeful conduct, or a hard slap on your face. Inside you should be

knowing that this disrespect is reducing your debt towards her and is

result of your own karmas only and faster and more it comes to you,

more graceful is Paramatma towards you . Never ever carry a negative

feeling and never deter from your resolution of not abusing again to

her. If she becomes soft to you or respectful to you , then don't

become happy either and there upon deter from your resolution. In case

of difficulty : Cry before God when you are alone.That puts you in

equanimous mode. In sinless mode. In dutiful mode.In no expectation

mode. In redeeming the debt/liability mode . In loosening the bondage

mode. Towards the original you- AMAL (ever faultless) almost in no time

- KSHIPRAM- in fact from the very moment of your aforesaid 2

resolutions.BUT never think about suicide.Never think that you

are sinful. Never worry about hell. Never feel fearful.By the way, fear

will go the moment you are dutiful. Always feel you are of God now.

Don't expect anything in return to your changed conduct. You simply

keep serving your wife, as a sincere devotee (sadhak) serves his God.

Surrender lock,stock and barrel to Paramatma. Be fearless. Be

worryless. Be griefless. Be doubtless. Don't set any yardsticks.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B ---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGWhat has been said is the truth but most people realise this only whenthey are on the point of leaving this world. Hari Shanker Deo -------Shree Hari. Ram Ram.1.Nothing is mine at all2.I need nothing at all3.I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4.Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.I have 2 questions.How can I accept above these facts? Main thing which I do is that I try to remind myself of these facts. Swamiji's books also remind me of these. But still, it is difficult to remove maya i.e. self's identification with body. Hopefully, it will happen one day.Another question is that how should I act with above understanding. I know I need to take care of family, children and work. But still, more details are needed. For example, in India I have not seen my family doing housework. They will get someone to do their work. But in US, I have to do all house work. I have to cut grass, fix electrical problem, dig holes, do dishes, do laundry etc. I don't do many stuff and my house is mess. Is that OK? How much one is supposed to work? This is just one example. We need to make such decisions all the time. Similarly, at office there are different quality of same work.Ultimately, nothing is mine. This house is not mine. I can do reasonable work which will pay do. How much effort should I put to improve quality of work?It is difficult to apply the above 4 principles when we don't truly realize them. We need to make lot of decisions related to application of above principles. I hope I make them right. But many of them are confusing.Ram RamGaurav Mittal-----------Dear Moderater,I send you a message about myself because I need help.There are so many ppl who send many kinds of messages and you ppl give them a chance to find advise.I am waiting and waiting for advise but you did not give me any.I am guilty as hell for abusing my good wife.I am suicidal now with the feelings of guilt. Meditation give little relief in short time period and then I feel suicidal again.I am afraid of dying because I will go to hell. Even the great Yudhistir went to hell for a little bit because he spoke just a little lie.Where will many of us big liars go then after death.I preach but did not know what I was preaching.Help me learned ones.Tell me what to do?Vishook Sharma.--------Dear Sadhaks,Ram Ram.My wife wrote about my abuse to her.I am an arrogant man and always think I am better.I studied Geeta and lecture on it.What I preach was opposite to my actions to my wife.God gifted me a good wife who was devoted but I did not accept her goodness.When I start to read the mails from this group something hit me but I was still full of my own arrogance.I wanted to read more so when I go out and give talks I can show off my great knowledge.One night I had a dream, my wife and I had died and there was the attendance of Death coming towards us. They took me and I ask why they are not taking my wife. Then we saw some celestial beings coming for her. I called to them that I am her husband why are you taking her alone.They said, you cannot be in heaven because you are a wicked person.I asked them what did I do for them to say that. They said I preach God's name and God's word and yet I abuse my good wife and yet expect to go to heaven? I woke up in sweat and very afraid. I am trying to be a better person since that night.I do not want to go to hell.I started being nice to her.Then I had the same dream again. I said but I am nice to my wife now.They said that only because you are afraid of hell and reminded me that God knows everything that humans do not know.I was shaken. I was feeling that I was doing enough to get to heaven. I decide to talk to a doctor and found out I was a bully with anger problems.I am getting better but my wife still is afraid to trust me.I did not get the dream again since.I know now that I deserve to go to hell for what I did to my wife.I am ashamed.I will spend my life regretting my actions.I know now that anyone who know Geeta can never be abusive.I deserve to go to hell.My salvation is the result of my actions and because I do bad actions I must get hell as my salvation.Vishook Sharma-------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe beauty with great Saints and Sages of Sanatan Dharma has always been that they explain in mimimum words the highest truths to the world at large. Take for example today's sadhak message where in Swamiji has quoted Goswami Tulsidasji Maharaj:Tulsi mamata Raam se, Samata sab sansaarRaag na rosh na dosh dukh , daas bhaye bhav paarMineness only with God and Equanimity with the world- with no attachment or aversion ; no sorrow of having flaws ; with these attributes one who has surrendered to Him ( depended upon Him) attains emancipation.What has been left to be covered? How simple ? How easy? VILAKSHAN ! Kitni saral baat ! Kitni Sundar baat !!The four principles of Swamiji under discussion straight away lead you to aforesaid state !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-----------Dear Sadhak-insightRead the story of Pandwas and Kauravas. in Mahabharata.Both wanted help from Lord Krishna.Duryodhan asked for the whole bench of soldiers to fight war.While Arjun wanted Lord Krishna God.As God was with Pandvas they won the war . Similalrly if we remember God every day and tell him that every thing you own,I owe nothing then God will endow healing grace upon us. This is what I believe.Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------â€œHumans have a history of just 7 million years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`... because after another 7 million yearsâ€¦ a superior species of animals is going to evolve...â€œSo go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself.."So stated our brother Shri Gee Waman jee in his post. But he did not tell on what basis had he said so. He had not witnessed them personally seven million years before, nor probably would he be there to vouchsafe them at the end. How could then he say all that?If what he said was on the basis of Darwinâ€™s Theory of Evolution, then our respectful submission is that it is still a theory and not become a Law to grant us the authority to challenge the divine Scriptural truths on its basis, or reject, spurn and repudiate the ultimate truths and words of Bhagawan Shri Krishna Himself.Animals are still there for any one to see, as are also humans and the higher beings: the Devaas. How could it be said then that they were evolved from the animals and a superior species of animals would be evolved from them in the future?According to our knowledge and belief, the site is dedicated to the spread of the teachings and knowledge of Gita and is particularly meant for Gita Sadhaks. Why should we be bringing in extraneous and controversial matters onto it? Why should we be implanting Western theories of evolution while discussing those matters? Would they be of any help and use in the Gita Sadhana? How?Our humble opinion is that we should not transgress the aims of the site and concern ourselves only with them and the accepted authority, Shrimad Bhagavad Gita.With apologies,Dr. Ranjeet Singh-------In whateve field you are in, sincerely following the path of Purusharthas or discharging your duties according to the principles of Purusharthas (Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha) is the only means for Salvation.Love and Love alone.....-- Paritala Gopi Krishna-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadaks,1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire. 2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.3)"I have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father, mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely. When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent) naturally.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar Crystal clear is Sadhna jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness .................. Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my BeingKrishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my ConsciousnessKrishna is the heart yearning for FulfilmentKrishna himself the fulfilment of LoveKrishna is YouKrishna is Me Krishna is The Union of You and Me HIS Gift His Grace !Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai KrishnaAUM narinder bhandariI would read the same four sentences as follows:1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari OmSadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you. Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------Jai HanumanSwamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!!Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge.Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---Narain ! Narain !! Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous. You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself ? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj would never have appeared incomplete or dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend, still things are necessary ! Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi------Jai Shree Krishna This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means "detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor /pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES ? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also. ( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most, if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing "Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in " Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water, there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in "maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans" get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ? Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit, is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin. There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration. Swami Rupesh Kumar---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhak,1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna KarigarThe message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious).From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

May 31, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! This is a very important topic. SWAMIJI pleaded to pay great attention to this topic - PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY AGAIN along with the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.and if there are any doubts to ask for clarification!PLEASE RE-READ THIS MESSAGE AND RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES!With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance. Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTINGHARI OM

Urgent advice to Vishook Ji:

We have dealt with many cases such as yours so this is coming from lots of experiences and similiar cases.

Your dreams and behavior indicate you are suffering from severe depression and you urgently need medical treatment and counselling and support from your guru or Swami or respected elders.

Obviously, you have assumed responsibility but also severe remorse and guilt for the bad things in your life. Also, you are badly affected after being rejected and you are now desperately seeking solutions. I am afraid to say it but one can glean dangerous suicidal tendencies in your writing and appeals for help.

Please forget everything except getting professional psychological help to deal with your problems. Go to a psychologist; go to your guru or anyone who can guide and counsel you; and most importantly, go to Gita.

Bhagavan is there to help you only if you can drop all false ego and pride and seek His help. Read Chapters 2, 9, 12, and 18 in Gita, then the other chapters.

Arjuna was also despondent and almost suicidal but Bhagavan convinced him to get rid of the cowardice and despondency and to act, not shirk his responsibility by running away from his duty and obligation.

You too should do this - seek Him for solace and comfort; get strength and courage from Gita; take hold of yourself and cast aside the weakness, rejection, and disappointment, and grab the reins to take control of your life.

Your well-being and wellness depends on you, not on anyone.So, take care of your life and get yourself back to normal. Read Gita before your sleep and you would never have a

bad dream again! Have faith in Him, go to Him, and you will be cured just as Arjuna was cured of his afflictions..

May Bhagvan Bless us all,

Krishna S Narinedath-----------------------------NARAYAN NARAYAN,Man is entirely independent, eligible, and capable in attaining their salvation. When Bhagwaan bestows on this Jeev a human body, he also graces him with the rights, independence, capability and eligibility. Paying attention to this point, therafter considering those objects that are received which will later part from you as "MINE" (apnaa) is the main fault, due to which all the other flaws and faults arise. In this entire cosmos not even a small thing such as a strand of hair is ours. Therefore - 1) By accepting that NOTHING IS MINE, one becomes faultless, free of all flawsAnd now when "nothing is mine" then what and why should I desire? 2) When one accepts that there is NOTHING I WANT, then one becomes DESIRELESS, the instant that he becomes desireless, he becomes "EQUANIMOUS" (Yog, samtaah) and "chitta vritti nirodh" - He attains all - Righteousness (dharmaatmaa), Yog (union, equanimity), gyaan (perfect knowledge) and becomes Devotee (Devotion and Worship of God). On becoming either of these salvation is definite, because in reality man's true nature "Self" is free of all faults, free of all desires, free from all attachment and Self is a part of only Bhagwaan (ishvar ansh). RamchandraIN HINDI

APNA KAYLAAN KARNE MEIN MANUSHY [MAN] SARVTHA SWATANTRA HEIN

SHAMARATH HEIN,YOGYA HEIN ,BHAGWAN JEEV KO SHARIR DETE HEIN THO

USKE SATH KALYAN KARNE SWATANTRATA ,SHAMRTHYA, YOGYATA OUR

ADHIKAR BHI PRADAN KARTE HEIN,

UPER LIKHI BAATO KO DHYAN MEIN RAKHTE HUVE : MILNE OUR BICHUDNE WALI

VASTUVO KO APNA MANNA MOOL DOSH HEIN JIS SE SAMPORAN DOSHO UTPATI

HO TI HEIN, ANANT BRHMAND MEIN KAISH[bAL] JITNI BHI VASTU APNI NAHI HEIN.

1]ES LIYE MERA KUCH BHI NAHI HEIN =ESA SWIKAR KARNE SE JEEVAN MEIN

NIRDOSHTA AJATI HEIN.

JAB MERA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI THO PHIR CHAHNA KYO KARE.

2] MERE KO KUCH NAHI CHAHIYE=ESA SWIKAR KARTE HE JEEVAN MEIN NISHKAMTA AJATI HEIN.

NISHKAMTA ATE HI MANUSHYA ''YOGI' HOJATA HEIN ARTHAT USKO

SHAMATAV-ROOP YOG KI PRAPTI HOGATI HEIN.YE HONE SE USKO ''CHITVARTI

NIRODHROOP

YOG KI BHI PRAPTI HO JATI HEIN. DHARMATMA, YOGI, GYANI, OUR BHAKT HO NE

MEIN HI MANUSHYA KA KALYAN NISHIT HEIN. KYOKI VASTAV MEIN MANUSHYA

MATRA KA SWAROOP SWAT NIRDOSH ,NISHKAM ,ASANG OUR BHAGWAN KA ANSH HEIN..

[RAMCHANDRA]----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGShree Hari || Ram Ram || This is in response to Mr. Vishook Sharma's' note!Dear Vishookji,It is amazing that you had these wonderful dreams but in my humble opinion, the dreams are only dreams they cannot be taken as real signals for the things to happen in future.It does not matter how bad a person may be, in God's court it is not a barrier to spiritual advancement.In Gitaji Verses 9/30-31, there is declaration from Lord Krishna: 9-30"api cet suduracaro, bhajate mam anayabhaksadar eva sa manatavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah"Meaning:Even if a man of most sinful conduct worships Me with exclusive devotion, he should be considered as a saint, for he has rightly resolved.9-31"ksipram bhavati dhamatma, sasvacchantim nigaccatikaunteya pratajanihi, na me bhaktah pranashyati"MeaningSoon does such a man becomes virtuous and secures lasting peace. Know it for certain, Arjuna, that My devotee never perishes. In Ramcharit Manas, thee is a declaration by Lord Rama - (Sunder Kanda 44-1)"sanmukh hoi jiva mohi jabahi, janam koti agha nasahi tabahi"Meaning:The moment a creature turns towards Me, the sins incurred by it through millions of lives are washed away.These declarations have been proven to be true in our scriptures by many sinners who turned into true devotees of God .The only condition is that they must not change their firm resolve. Turning towards god, and an exclusive love for God.The requirement is simplicity (Saralta) and sincerity (Chaturai show will not work).In Ramacharitmanas, Lord Rama says-"nirmal mana jana so mohi pava, mohi kapata chala chidra na bhava"Meaning:Only a man of pure soul can attain to Me; I hae an aversion to for duplicity, wiles and censoriousness.In my view you are very fortunate that you have been blessed with a good wife. Showing your sincerity in day in and day behavior will earn you her unflinching trust.Preaching to others without practice on our own does more harm than good to other. It is possible it may do some good to others but to the one who is preaching it will only help to boost his false pride and arrogance which are demonical traits (Asuric Sampati) only.In Ramcharitmanas (Lanka Kanda 78-1) -"para updessa kusula bahutere, je acarhi te nara na ghanere" Meaning:Indeed there are hosts of people clever in instructing others; but who practice good morals themselves are few and far between.Pray to Almighty for things to turn around for you!|| Ram Ram || Humble regards,Madan Kaura---------------------------Shree Hari-Dear Vishook Sharma,Namaskar,Since the respected Moderators have put your questions in this thread, I willthus reflect upon them.Now you know the Bhagavad Gita better than I for sure, but here is the paradox,I love GOD, and loved HIM long before I had anything to do Gitaji, do you LoveGOD, not theoretically, but absolutely, where when you think of Bhagwan, asoftness comes upon you, a feeling of love and gentleness pervades your heart,you become Love, do you understand what Divine Love is?With your indulgence I will paste in, to remind you, some Shlokas:Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9:29. The same am I to all beings; to me there is none hateful or dear; but thosewho worship me with devotion are in me and I am also in them.30. Even if the most sinful worships me, with devotion to none else, he tooshould indeed be regarded as righteous, for he has rightly resolved.31. Soon he becomes righteous and attains to eternal peace; Arjuna, know you forcertain that my devotee is never destroyed!So what right have you be to pass judgment on yourself, and condemn yourself todamnation, it is almost like you have turned your anger on yourself, so get thatanger under control, (anger management?)If you have any props like booze, drugs, gambling, unhealthy pleasures, dumpthem, there is only one support you need, check out point 4 on the originalquestion of this thread.Your dreams are good guidance and I won't dwell on them, they are timely andhave a quality of grace about them.I am going to give you a tip, and will do my very best to get this point across:Contemplate upon you sins, feel that energy of remorse, clearly you areremorseful, contemplate don't rationalize, try to feel that remorse, stare atyour weakness and hypocrisy, don't back off, go with your remorse. Being in asacred place may help, best be alone, i.e alone with Bhagwaan. HE is there callout to HIM from your heart, what else can you do?Vishookji you may not realize it now, but you have started your journey Home!With Respect and Divine Love,Mike (K)-Hari OmBoth Sadhaks viz Gauravji Mittal and Vishookji Sharma have raised genuine Qs. I must congratulate them for being transparent and honest. I see a special level of sincerity in both of them. I would urge them to carefully read the advices of our Sadhak Brethren.Let me first take up issues raised by Sharmaji. You may kindly note that we all sin when not in equanimous mode. Hence if you have made sins of say wife abuse, there is nothing extra ordinary about it. A human keeps doing sins every second- the very non facing towards Paramatma( Vimukhata) and facing towards world is a chain-creator of sins, sins and sins. God resides in Equanimity. Except when you are equanimous your all karmas have some sin hidden in them. Some less, some more, but definitely some.There are 3 steps now to become sinless. Out of these 3 steps you have already completed 2 , believe me on this.But you are making one grave and one not so grave but still a serious mistake. Grave mistake is that you are carrying the guilt too much and are having suicidal thoughts- rather than addressing the same, you are getting worried. This is not at all good. Now that proves that you have not yet checked your tendency of sinning. Because in those thoughts too the highest ever possible sins are hidden - suicide; further pains to your wife; wastage of precious human life,disrespect to Self, not considering the world to be divine/testing ground, etc ! The forgetfulness of Paramatma is continuing, unabated.The second not so grave but still a significant error is your belief that since your wife is still distrustful of you, you will go to hell or you will be considered to be continuing the sin.In fact sins have captured your mind deeply as evidenced by dreams. Sins have, as a law, already made you fearful and restless. Your peace has been snatched away by fear. This is however a good form of fear, ultimately.SOLUTION(Based on the principles and teachings of Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and on verses like 9:30/31 of Holy Gita)What is silver lining in this cloud is your realisation/inner feeling that you have been sinning. This very fact is the first step of your ceasing to sin. You can't become error free unless you see the error in you, as distinct from you - it is a law. The realisation represents that distinction between ever stainless soul(self) and stains. Ultimately, It is non acceptance of sin in you-because you could see it.It breaks the assumed affinity.Next step also you have taken - of telling others/admitting openly that you were sinning and that now you are regretful/remorseful of the same. This puts your sins further away from you. When you regret, your "svabhav" (habit) melts and starts getting changed. A penance or confession relieves you always. Regret is also a way of distinguishing yourself from /non acceptance of error in you. Error when it is seen, goes away from you- It is a law. But regret alone should not be too long and internal to make you incapacitated for ever or generate fear in you. You are fearless by nature. Fear goes when you address it. Saying to others of one's faults is a gem of a quality, very few people know how good is this quality and how decisive this gesture is to become sinless. This also reflects straight away the stainlessness in you.It is a law - that both PAAPS (sins) and PUNYAS ( virtuous conduct) INCREASE CONTINUOUSLY and automatically when they are kept secret and not revealed to others.Thus telling others of your sins is literally halting automatic and continuous growth of sins.Now you are only one step away from total destruction of it- I REPEAT "TOTAL DESTRUCTION "- as if it never was ! That is- a resolution that you shall never repeat it again. Just one firm decision. I SHALL NEVER NEVER ABUSE MY WIFE AGAIN-Come what may. Firm Resolution !You are therefore adviced:1) not to ever repeat abusing wife; and2) turn towards God and seek equanimity.You in fact have become a huge debtor to your wife. You must start repaying immediately. You must honestly and with complete sincerity now serve your wife in the best possible manner. You must strive to impart maximum happiness to her. MUST . You must happily repay her debt.Don't worry or feel concerned or judge yourself by the yardstick of her pardoning you or not or of her trusting you or not. Keep serving her, keep serving, serving and serving - as you serve God, considering that to be your DUTY, your goal. See God in her. Welcome each and every disrespect/ignorance of you by your wife and others. Become happy when you get tough non appreciation, reminders of past conduct, sarcasm, or revengeful conduct, or a hard slap on your face. Inside you should be knowing that this disrespect is reducing your debt towards her and is result of your own karmas only and faster and more it comes to you, more graceful is Paramatma towards you . Never ever carry a negative feeling and never deter from your resolution of not abusing again to her. If she becomes soft to you or respectful to you , then don't become happy either and there upon deter from your resolution. In case of difficulty : Cry before God when you are alone.That puts you in equanimous mode. In sinless mode. In dutiful mode.In no expectation mode. In redeeming the debt/liability mode . In loosening the bondage mode. Towards the original you- AMAL (ever faultless) almost in no time - KSHIPRAM- in fact from the very moment of your aforesaid 2 resolutions.BUT never think about suicide.Never think that you are sinful. Never worry about hell. Never feel fearful.By the way, fear will go the moment you are dutiful. Always feel you are of God now. Don't expect anything in return to your changed conduct. You simply keep serving your wife, as a sincere devotee (sadhak) serves his God. Surrender lock,stock and barrel to Paramatma. Be fearless. Be worryless. Be griefless. Be doubtless. Don't set any yardsticks.Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGWhat has been said is the truth but most people realise this only whenthey are on the point of leaving this world. Hari Shanker Deo-------Shree Hari. Ram Ram.1.Nothing is mine at all2.I need nothing at all3.I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4.Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.I have 2 questions.How can I accept above these facts? Main thing which I do is that I try to remind myself of these facts. Swamiji's books also remind me of these. But still, it is difficult to remove maya i.e. self's identification with body. Hopefully, it will happen one day.Another question is that how should I act with above understanding. I know I need to take care of family, children and work. But still, more details are needed. For example, in India I have not seen my family doing housework. They will get someone to do their work. But in US, I have to do all house work. I have to cut grass, fix electrical problem, dig holes, do dishes, do laundry etc. I don't do many stuff and my house is mess. Is that OK? How much one is supposed to work? This is just one example. We need to make such decisions all the time. Similarly, at office there are different quality of same work.Ultimately, nothing is mine. This house is not mine. I can do reasonable work which will pay do. How much effort should I put to improve quality of work?It is difficult to apply the above 4 principles when we don't truly realize them. We need to make lot of decisions related to application of above principles. I hope I make them right. But many of them are confusing.Ram RamGaurav Mittal-----------Dear Moderater,I send you a message about myself because I need help.There are so many ppl who send many kinds of messages and you ppl give them a chance to find advise.I am waiting and waiting for advise but you did not give me any.I am guilty as hell for abusing my good wife.I am suicidal now with the feelings of guilt. Meditation give little relief in short time period and then I feel suicidal again.I am afraid of dying because I will go to hell. Even the great Yudhistir went to hell for a little bit because he spoke just a little lie.Where will many of us big liars go then after death.I preach but did not know what I was preaching.Help me learned ones.Tell me what to do?Vishook Sharma.--------Dear Sadhaks,Ram Ram.My wife wrote about my abuse to her.I am an arrogant man and always think I am better.I studied Geeta and lecture on it.What I preach was opposite to my actions to my wife.God gifted me a good wife who was devoted but I did not accept her goodness.When I start to read the mails from this group something hit me but I was still full of my own arrogance.I wanted to read more so when I go out and give talks I can show off my great knowledge.One night I had a dream, my wife and I had died and there was the attendance of Death coming towards us. They took me and I ask why they are not taking my wife. Then we saw some celestial beings coming for her. I called to them that I am her husband why are you taking her alone.They said, you cannot be in heaven because you are a wicked person.I asked them what did I do for them to say that. They said I preach God's name and God's word and yet I abuse my good wife and yet expect to go to heaven? I woke up in sweat and very afraid. I am trying to be a better person since that night.I do not want to go to hell.I started being nice to her.Then I had the same dream again. I said but I am nice to my wife now.They said that only because you are afraid of hell and reminded me that God knows everything that humans do not know.I was shaken. I was feeling that I was doing enough to get to heaven. I decide to talk to a doctor and found out I was a bully with anger problems.I am getting better but my wife still is afraid to trust me.I did not get the dream again since.I know now that I deserve to go to hell for what I did to my wife.I am ashamed.I will spend my life regretting my actions.I know now that anyone who know Geeta can never be abusive.I deserve to go to hell.My salvation is the result of my actions and because I do bad actions I must get hell as my salvation.Vishook Sharma-------PRIOR POSTINGHari OmThe beauty with great Saints and Sages of Sanatan Dharma has always been that they explain in mimimum words the highest truths to the world at large. Take for example today's sadhak message where in Swamiji has quoted Goswami Tulsidasji Maharaj:Tulsi mamata Raam se, Samata sab sansaarRaag na rosh na dosh dukh , daas bhaye bhav paarMineness only with God and Equanimity with the world- with no attachment or aversion ; no sorrow of having flaws ; with these attributes one who has surrendered to Him ( depended upon Him) attains emancipation.What has been left to be covered? How simple ? How easy? VILAKSHAN ! Kitni saral baat ! Kitni Sundar baat !!The four principles of Swamiji under discussion straight away lead you to aforesaid state !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B-----------Dear Sadhak-insightRead the story of Pandwas and Kauravas. in Mahabharata.Both wanted help from Lord Krishna.Duryodhan asked for the whole bench of soldiers to fight war.While Arjun wanted Lord Krishna God.As God was with Pandvas they won the war . Similalrly if we remember God every day and tell him that every thing you own,I owe nothing then God will endow healing grace upon us. This is what I believe.Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt--------â€œHumans have a history of just 7 million years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`... because after another 7 million yearsâ€¦ a superior species of animals is going to evolve...â€œSo go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself.."So stated our brother Shri Gee Waman jee in his post. But he did not tell on what basis had he said so. He had not witnessed them personally seven million years before, nor probably would he be there to vouchsafe them at the end. How could then he say all that?If what he said was on the basis of Darwinâ€™s Theory of Evolution, then our respectful submission is that it is still a theory and not become a Law to grant us the authority to challenge the divine Scriptural truths on its basis, or reject, spurn and repudiate the ultimate truths and words of Bhagawan Shri Krishna Himself.Animals are still there for any one to see, as are also humans and the higher beings: the Devaas. How could it be said then that they were evolved from the animals and a superior species of animals would be evolved from them in the future?According to our knowledge and belief, the site is dedicated to the spread of the teachings and knowledge of Gita and is particularly meant for Gita Sadhaks. Why should we be bringing in extraneous and controversial matters onto it? Why should we be implanting Western theories of evolution while discussing those matters? Would they be of any help and use in the Gita Sadhana? How?Our humble opinion is that we should not transgress the aims of the site and concern ourselves only with them and the accepted authority, Shrimad Bhagavad Gita.With apologies,Dr. Ranjeet Singh-------In whateve field you are in, sincerely following the path of Purusharthas or discharging your duties according to the principles of Purusharthas (Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha) is the only means for Salvation.Love and Love alone.....-- Paritala Gopi Krishna-----------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear sadaks,1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire. 2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.3)"I have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father, mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely. When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent) naturally.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan---1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar Crystal clear is Sadhna jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness .................. Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my BeingKrishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my ConsciousnessKrishna is the heart yearning for FulfilmentKrishna himself the fulfilment of LoveKrishna is YouKrishna is Me Krishna is The Union of You and Me HIS Gift His Grace !Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai KrishnaAUM narinder bhandariI would read the same four sentences as follows:1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari OmSadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you. Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) !Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B------Jai HanumanSwamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!!Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge.Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.Namaste JeeJee JeeShashikala---Narain ! Narain !! Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous. You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself ? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj would never have appeared incomplete or dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend, still things are necessary ! Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi------Jai Shree Krishna This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means "detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor /pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES ? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also. ( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most, if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing "Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in " Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water, there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in "maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans" get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ? Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit, is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin. There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration. Swami Rupesh Kumar---------------------------PRIOR POSTINGDear Sadhak,1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna KarigarThe message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.catherine andersen---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanotShree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious).From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.<Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.>As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself......Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath--------------------------Shree Hari-I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.With Respect and Divine Love,Mike Keenor-:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.Ram RamFor ENGLISH WEBSITE please visit: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. netFor full online discourses in Hindi: http://www.swamiramsukhdasji. org

June 9, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.

PLEASE RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES! With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance.

Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTING

Dear Geeta Sadhak,

This is the best message given by Swamiji.Please convey my Namaskar to him

1 We should say that nothing is mine Everything is owned by almighty God So while doing exercise I say nothing is my mine I am yours and you are mine

2 I do not want anything for what I do.While performing rituals,all practice of rituals are surreendered to God after the worship

3 No body is mine except yourself Oh God. There are bhajan's on this topic

4 Only God is mine.I have full faith in this belief I always sing bhajan's on this point.

Oh God I have come to your door

Please open the door to Heaven

By performing such morning prayers along with my ritualistic prayers,while reciting the names of Lord Krishna and Lord Rama, tears come out from y eyes,such is the effect of daily prayers to Almighty God

Truly yours

Shsankerprasad S Bhatt M.Com

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Dear Sadhaks,

Ram Ram.My heartfelt thanks to all who gave me so many good advise especially to Mr Vyas N.B. Your Advise is the advise I need.I am under medical supervison.Medication do not help me. My Guru gave the same advise like Mr Vyas. It was ego which kept me from accepting his words of wisdom.My dreams are based on my guilt.I am diagnoised as having Anger Management and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.My suicide feeling is as result of guilt. There is no feeling of rejection,my wife did not leave even when I behaved badly towards her.Everyone tolerated my behaviour and this makes me guilty also. My feeling of suicide is only because I feel guilty.I have done sinful acts mainly to my wife.This feelings of guilty and remorse came after reading the many messages here about wife abuse,Ego and Anger.I abused my good wife. I know Gita by memory and also read it daily and nightly. This did not stop my nightmares and my Guru says that Gita will never save anyone who abuses another and only service to the victims will.I did not accept his advise beacuse he knows my wife also and my feeling was that he is bias. Mr Vyas advise is what my Guru says too and when I read his message, I realise what must be done. I now behave better towards my wife and I feel a little better but it is a long away to go.

Vishook Sharma

HARI OMI wish to share this:A couple came to us about 6 weeks ago with a serious problem in their relationship. They were arguing and shouting, accusing each other of not being responsible and shirking chores and tasks at home, and numerous other issues. They accused each other of neglect, uncaring behavior, abuse, of not loving each other, and were threatening each other with divorce. We heard them, allowed them to shout and vent, then quietly asked them to listen while we read several verses of the Gita and explained to them why they should stop shouting and screaming at each other. Then we told them to get a housekeeper to help for 2 or 3 days per week. They were shocked at such a simple solution but they hired help and today they are the most blissfully loving couple. Most of all, they don't miss a satsang and want to help others in similar situation. Seek help, listen to advice, go to Gita. You will be forever happy. May Bhagavan Bless us all.Krishna S Narinedath

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HARI OM

Urgent advice to Vishook Ji:

We have dealt with many cases such as yours so this is coming from lots of experiences and similiar cases.

Your dreams and behavior indicate you are suffering from severe depression and you urgently need medical treatment and counselling and support from your guru or Swami or respected elders.

Obviously, you have assumed responsibility but also severe remorse and guilt for the bad things in your life. Also, you are badly affected after being rejected and you are now desperately seeking solutions. I am afraid to say it but one can glean dangerous suicidal tendencies in your writing and appeals for help.

Please forget everything except getting professional psychological help to deal with your problems. Go to a psychologist; go to your guru or anyone who can guide and counsel you; and most importantly, go to Gita.

Bhagavan is there to help you only if you can drop all false ego and pride and seek His help. Read Chapters 2, 9, 12, and 18 in Gita, then the other chapters.

Arjuna was also despondent and almost suicidal but Bhagavan convinced him to get rid of the cowardice and despondency and to act, not shirk his responsibility by running away from his duty and obligation.

You too should do this - seek Him for solace and comfort; get strength and courage from Gita; take hold of yourself and cast aside the weakness, rejection, and disappointment, and grab the reins to take control of your life.

Your well-being and wellness depends on you, not on anyone.So, take care of your life and get yourself back to normal. Read Gita before your sleep and you would never have a bad dream again! Have faith in Him, go to Him, and you will be cured just as Arjuna was cured of his afflictions..

May Bhagvan Bless us all,

Krishna S Narinedath-----------------------------NARAYAN NARAYAN,

Man is entirely independent, eligible, and capable in attaining their salvation. When Bhagwaan bestows on this Jeev a human body, he also graces him with the rights, independence, capability and eligibility. Paying attention to this point, therafter considering those objects that are received which will later part from you as "MINE" (apnaa) is the main fault, due to which all the other flaws and faults arise. In this entire cosmos not even a small thing such as a strand of hair is ours. Therefore - 1) By accepting that NOTHING IS MINE, one becomes faultless, free of all flawsAnd now when "nothing is mine" then what and why should I desire? 2) When one accepts that there is NOTHING I WANT, then one becomes DESIRELESS, the instant that he becomes desireless, he becomes "EQUANIMOUS" (Yog, samtaah) and "chitta vritti nirodh" - He attains all - Righteousness (dharmaatmaa), Yog (union, equanimity), gyaan (perfect knowledge) and becomes Devotee (Devotion and Worship of God).

On becoming either of these salvation is definite, because in reality man's true nature "Self" is free of all faults, free of all desires, free from all attachment and Self is a part of only Bhagwaan (ishvar ansh).

Ramchandra

IN HINDI

APNA KAYLAAN KARNE MEIN MANUSHY [MAN] SARVTHA SWATANTRA HEINSHAMARATH HEIN,YOGYA HEIN ,BHAGWAN JEEV KO SHARIR DETE HEIN THOUSKE SATH KALYAN KARNE SWATANTRATA ,SHAMRTHYA, YOGYATA OURADHIKAR BHI PRADAN KARTE HEIN,UPER LIKHI BAATO KO DHYAN MEIN RAKHTE HUVE : MILNE OUR BICHUDNE WALI VASTUVO KO APNA MANNA MOOL DOSH HEIN JIS SE SAMPORAN DOSHO UTPATIHO TI HEIN, ANANT BRHMAND MEIN KAISH[bAL] JITNI BHI VASTU APNI NAHI HEIN.1]ES LIYE MERA KUCH BHI NAHI HEIN =ESA SWIKAR KARNE SE JEEVAN MEIN NIRDOSHTA AJATI HEIN.JAB MERA KUCH HEIN HI NAHI THO PHIR CHAHNA KYO KARE.2] MERE KO KUCH NAHI CHAHIYE=ESA SWIKAR KARTE HE JEEVAN MEIN NISHKAMTA AJATI HEIN.NISHKAMTA ATE HI MANUSHYA ''YOGI' HOJATA HEIN ARTHAT USKO SHAMATAV-ROOP YOG KI PRAPTI HOGATI HEIN.YE HONE SE USKO ''CHITVARTI NIRODHROOPYOG KI BHI PRAPTI HO JATI HEIN. DHARMATMA, YOGI, GYANI, OUR BHAKT HO NE MEIN HI MANUSHYA KA KALYAN NISHIT HEIN. KYOKI VASTAV MEIN MANUSHYAMATRA KA SWAROOP SWAT NIRDOSH ,NISHKAM ,ASANG OUR BHAGWAN KA ANSH HEIN..[RAMCHANDRA]

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Shree Hari

|| Ram Ram ||

This is in response to Mr. Vishook Sharma's' note!

Dear Vishookji,

It is amazing that you had these wonderful dreams but in my humble opinion, the dreams are only dreams they cannot be taken as real signals for the things to happen in future.

It does not matter how bad a person may be, in God's court it is not a barrier to spiritual advancement.

In Gitaji Verses 9/30-31, there is declaration from Lord Krishna:

9-30

"api cet suduracaro, bhajate mam anayabhak

sadar eva sa manatavyah, samyag vyavasito hi sah"

Meaning:

Even if a man of most sinful conduct worships Me with exclusive devotion, he should be considered as a saint, for he has rightly resolved.

9-31

"ksipram bhavati dhamatma, sasvacchantim nigaccati

kaunteya pratajanihi, na me bhaktah pranashyati"

Meaning

Soon does such a man becomes virtuous and secures lasting peace. Know it for certain, Arjuna, that My devotee never perishes.

In Ramcharit Manas, thee is a declaration by Lord Rama - (Sunder Kanda 44-1)

"sanmukh hoi jiva mohi jabahi, janam koti agha nasahi tabahi"

Meaning:

The moment a creature turns towards Me, the sins incurred by it through millions of lives are washed away.

These declarations have been proven to be true in our scriptures by many sinners who turned into true devotees of God .The only condition is that they must not change their firm resolve. Turning towards god, and an exclusive love for God.

The requirement is simplicity (Saralta) and sincerity (Chaturai show will not work).

In Ramacharitmanas, Lord Rama says-

"nirmal mana jana so mohi pava, mohi kapata chala chidra na bhava"

Meaning:

Only a man of pure soul can attain to Me; I hae an aversion to for duplicity, wiles and censoriousness.

In my view you are very fortunate that you have been blessed with a good wife. Showing your sincerity in day in and day behavior will earn you her unflinching trust.

Preaching to others without practice on our own does more harm than good to other. It is possible it may do some good to others but to the one who is preaching it will only help to boost his false pride and arrogance which are demonical traits (Asuric Sampati) only.

In Ramcharitmanas (Lanka Kanda 78-1) -

"para updessa kusula bahutere, je acarhi te nara na ghanere"

Meaning:

Indeed there are hosts of people clever in instructing others; but who practice good morals themselves are few and far between.

Pray to Almighty for things to turn around for you!|| Ram Ram ||

Humble regards,Madan Kaura

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Shree Hari-

Dear Vishook Sharma,Namaskar,Since the respected Moderators have put your questions in this thread, I willthus reflect upon them.Now you know the Bhagavad Gita better than I for sure, but here is the paradox,I love GOD, and loved HIM long before I had anything to do Gitaji, do you LoveGOD, not theoretically, but absolutely, where when you think of Bhagwan, asoftness comes upon you, a feeling of love and gentleness pervades your heart,you become Love, do you understand what Divine Love is?

With your indulgence I will paste in, to remind you, some Shlokas:

Bhagavad Gita Chapter 9:

29. The same am I to all beings; to me there is none hateful or dear; but thosewho worship me with devotion are in me and I am also in them.30. Even if the most sinful worships me, with devotion to none else, he tooshould indeed be regarded as righteous, for he has rightly resolved.31. Soon he becomes righteous and attains to eternal peace; Arjuna, know you forcertain that my devotee is never destroyed!

So what right have you be to pass judgment on yourself, and condemn yourself todamnation, it is almost like you have turned your anger on yourself, so get thatanger under control, (anger management?)

If you have any props like booze, drugs, gambling, unhealthy pleasures, dumpthem, there is only one support you need, check out point 4 on the originalquestion of this thread.

Your dreams are good guidance and I won't dwell on them, they are timely andhave a quality of grace about them.

I am going to give you a tip, and will do my very best to get this point across:Contemplate upon you sins, feel that energy of remorse, clearly you areremorseful, contemplate don't rationalize, try to feel that remorse, stare atyour weakness and hypocrisy, don't back off, go with your remorse. Being in asacred place may help, best be alone, i.e alone with Bhagwaan. HE is there callout to HIM from your heart, what else can you do?

Vishookji you may not realize it now, but you have started your journey Home!

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike (K)

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Hari Om

Both Sadhaks viz Gauravji Mittal and Vishookji Sharma have raised genuine Qs. I must congratulate them for being transparent and honest. I see a special level of sincerity in both of them. I would urge them to carefully read the advices of our Sadhak Brethren.

Let me first take up issues raised by Sharmaji. You may kindly note that we all sin when not in equanimous mode. Hence if you have made sins of say wife abuse, there is nothing extra ordinary about it. A human keeps doing sins every second- the very non facing towards Paramatma( Vimukhata) and facing towards world is a chain-creator of sins, sins and sins. God resides in Equanimity. Except when you are equanimous your all karmas have some sin hidden in them. Some less, some more, but definitely some.

There are 3 steps now to become sinless. Out of these 3 steps you have already completed 2 , believe me on this.

But you are making one grave and one not so grave but still a serious mistake. Grave mistake is that you are carrying the guilt too much and are having suicidal thoughts- rather than addressing the same, you are getting worried. This is not at all good. Now that proves that you have not yet checked your tendency of sinning. Because in those thoughts too the highest ever possible sins are hidden - suicide; further pains to your wife; wastage of precious human life,disrespect to Self, not considering the world to be divine/testing ground, etc ! The forgetfulness of Paramatma is continuing, unabated.

The second not so grave but still a significant error is your belief that since your wife is still distrustful of you, you will go to hell or you will be considered to be continuing the sin.In fact sins have captured your mind deeply as evidenced by dreams. Sins have, as a law, already made you fearful and restless. Your peace has been snatched away by fear. This is however a good form of fear, ultimately.

SOLUTION

(Based on the principles and teachings of Param Shraddheya Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj and on verses like 9:30/31 of Holy Gita)

What is silver lining in this cloud is your realisation/inner feeling that you have been sinning. This very fact is the first step of your ceasing to sin. You can't become error free unless you see the error in you, as distinct from you - it is a law. The realisation represents that distinction between ever stainless soul(self) and stains. Ultimately, It is non acceptance of sin in you-because you could see it.It breaks the assumed affinity.

Next step also you have taken - of telling others/admitting openly that you were sinning and that now you are regretful/remorseful of the same. This puts your sins further away from you. When you regret, your "svabhav" (habit) melts and starts getting changed. A penance or confession relieves you always. Regret is also a way of distinguishing yourself from /non acceptance of error in you. Error when it is seen, goes away from you- It is a law. But regret alone should not be too long and internal to make you incapacitated for ever or generate fear in you. You are fearless by nature. Fear goes when you address it. Saying to others of one's faults is a gem of a quality, very few people know how good is this quality and how decisive this gesture is to become sinless. This also reflects straight away the stainlessness in you.

It is a law - that both PAAPS (sins) and PUNYAS ( virtuous conduct) INCREASE CONTINUOUSLY and automatically when they are kept secret and not revealed to others.

Thus telling others of your sins is literally halting automatic and continuous growth of sins.

Now you are only one step away from total destruction of it- I REPEAT "TOTAL DESTRUCTION "- as if it never was ! That is- a resolution that you shall never repeat it again. Just one firm decision. I SHALL NEVER NEVER ABUSE MY WIFE AGAIN-Come what may. Firm Resolution !

You are therefore adviced:

1) not to ever repeat abusing wife; and

2) turn towards God and seek equanimity.

You in fact have become a huge debtor to your wife. You must start repaying immediately. You must honestly and with complete sincerity now serve your wife in the best possible manner. You must strive to impart maximum happiness to her. MUST . You must happily repay her debt.

Don't worry or feel concerned or judge yourself by the yardstick of her pardoning you or not or of her trusting you or not. Keep serving her, keep serving, serving and serving - as you serve God, considering that to be your DUTY, your goal. See God in her. Welcome each and every disrespect/ignorance of you by your wife and others. Become happy when you get tough non appreciation, reminders of past conduct, sarcasm, or revengeful conduct, or a hard slap on your face. Inside you should be knowing that this disrespect is reducing your debt towards her and is result of your own karmas only and faster and more it comes to you, more graceful is Paramatma towards you . Never ever carry a negative feeling and never deter from your resolution of not abusing again to her. If she becomes soft to you or respectful to you , then don't become happy either and there upon deter from your resolution. In case of difficulty : Cry before God when you are alone.

That puts you in equanimous mode. In sinless mode. In dutiful mode.In no expectation mode. In redeeming the debt/liability mode . In loosening the bondage mode. Towards the original you- AMAL (ever faultless) almost in no time - KSHIPRAM- in fact from the very moment of your aforesaid 2 resolutions.

BUT never think about suicide.Never think that you are sinful. Never worry about hell. Never feel fearful.By the way, fear will go the moment you are dutiful. Always feel you are of God now. Don't expect anything in return to your changed conduct. You simply keep serving your wife, as a sincere devotee (sadhak) serves his God. Surrender lock,stock and barrel to Paramatma. Be fearless. Be worryless. Be griefless. Be doubtless. Don't set any yardsticks.

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

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What has been said is the truth but most people realise this only whenthey are on the point of leaving this world. Hari Shanker Deo

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Shree Hari. Ram Ram.

1.Nothing is mine at all2.I need nothing at all3.I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4.Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.

I have 2 questions.

How can I accept above these facts? Main thing which I do is that I try to remind myself of these facts. Swamiji's books also remind me of these. But still, it is difficult to remove maya i.e. self's identification with body. Hopefully, it will happen one day.

Another question is that how should I act with above understanding. I know I need to take care of family, children and work. But still, more details are needed. For example, in India I have not seen my family doing housework. They will get someone to do their work. But in US, I have to do all house work. I have to cut grass, fix electrical problem, dig holes, do dishes, do laundry etc. I don't do many stuff and my house is mess. Is that OK? How much one is supposed to work? This is just one example. We need to make such decisions all the time. Similarly, at office there are different quality of same work.

Ultimately, nothing is mine. This house is not mine. I can do reasonable work which will pay do. How much effort should I put to improve quality of work?

It is difficult to apply the above 4 principles when we don't truly realize them. We need to make lot of decisions related to application of above principles. I hope I make them right. But many of them are confusing.

Ram RamGaurav Mittal

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Dear Moderater,I send you a message about myself because I need help.There are so many ppl who send many kinds of messages and you ppl give them a chance to find advise.I am waiting and waiting for advise but you did not give me any.I am guilty as hell for abusing my good wife.I am suicidal now with the feelings of guilt. Meditation give little relief in short time period and then I feel suicidal again.I am afraid of dying because I will go to hell. Even the great Yudhistir went to hell for a little bit because he spoke just a little lie.Where will many of us big liars go then after death.I preach but did not know what I was preaching.Help me learned ones.Tell me what to do?Vishook Sharma.

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Dear Sadhaks,Ram Ram.My wife wrote about my abuse to her.I am an arrogant man and always think I am better.I studied Geeta and lecture on it.What I preach was opposite to my actions to my wife.God gifted me a good wife who was devoted but I did not accept her goodness.When I start to read the mails from this group something hit me but I was still full of my own arrogance.I wanted to read more so when I go out and give talks I can show off my great knowledge.One night I had a dream, my wife and I had died and there was the attendance of Death coming towards us. They took me and I ask why they are not taking my wife. Then we saw some celestial beings coming for her. I called to them that I am her husband why are you taking her alone.They said, you cannot be in heaven because you are a wicked person.I asked them what did I do for them to say that. They said I preach God's name and God's word and yet I abuse my good wife and yet expect to go to heaven? I woke up in sweat and very afraid. I am trying to be a better person since that night.I do not want to go to hell.I started being nice to her.Then I had the same dream again. I said but I am nice to my wife now.They said that only because you are afraid of hell and reminded me that God knows everything that humans do not know.I was shaken. I was feeling that I was doing enough to get to heaven. I decide to talk to a doctor and found out I was a bully with anger problems.I am getting better but my wife still is afraid to trust me.I did not get the dream again since.I know now that I deserve to go to hell for what I did to my wife.I am ashamed.I will spend my life regretting my actions.I know now that anyone who know Geeta can never be abusive.I deserve to go to hell.My salvation is the result of my actions and because I do bad actions I must get hell as my salvation.Vishook Sharma-------

PRIOR POSTINGHari Om

The beauty with great Saints and Sages of Sanatan Dharma has always been that they explain in mimimum words the highest truths to the world at large. Take for example today's sadhak message where in Swamiji has quoted Goswami Tulsidasji Maharaj:

Tulsi mamata Raam se, Samata sab sansaar

Raag na rosh na dosh dukh , daas bhaye bhav paar

Mineness only with God and Equanimity with the world- with no attachment or aversion ; no sorrow of having flaws ; with these attributes one who has surrendered to Him ( depended upon Him) attains emancipation.

What has been left to be covered? How simple ? How easy? VILAKSHAN ! Kitni saral baat ! Kitni Sundar baat !!

The four principles of Swamiji under discussion straight away lead you to aforesaid state !

Jai Shree Krishna

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Dear Sadhak-insightRead the story of Pandwas and Kauravas. in Mahabharata.Both wanted help from Lord Krishna.Duryodhan asked for the whole bench of soldiers to fight war.While Arjun wanted Lord Krishna God.As God was with Pandvas they won the war . Similalrly if we remember God every day and tell him that every thing you own,I owe nothing then God will endow healing grace upon us. This is what I believe.Truly yoursShankerprasad S Bhatt

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â€œHumans have a history of just 7 million years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`... because after another 7 million yearsâ€¦ a superior species of animals is going to evolve...â€œSo go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself.."So stated our brother Shri Gee Waman jee in his post. But he did not tell on what basis had he said so. He had not witnessed them personally seven million years before, nor probably would he be there to vouchsafe them at the end. How could then he say all that?

If what he said was on the basis of Darwinâ€™s Theory of Evolution, then our respectful submission is that it is still a theory and not become a Law to grant us the authority to challenge the divine Scriptural truths on its basis, or reject, spurn and repudiate the ultimate truths and words of Bhagawan Shri Krishna Himself.

Animals are still there for any one to see, as are also humans and the higher beings: the Devaas. How could it be said then that they were evolved from the animals and a superior species of animals would be evolved from them in the future?

According to our knowledge and belief, the site is dedicated to the spread of the teachings and knowledge of Gita and is particularly meant for Gita Sadhaks. Why should we be bringing in extraneous and controversial matters onto it? Why should we be implanting Western theories of evolution while discussing those matters? Would they be of any help and use in the Gita Sadhana? How?

Our humble opinion is that we should not transgress the aims of the site and concern ourselves only with them and the accepted authority, Shrimad Bhagavad Gita.

With apologies,

Dr. Ranjeet Singh-------In whateve field you are in, sincerely following the path of Purusharthas or discharging your duties according to the principles of Purusharthas (Dharma, Artha, Kama and Moksha) is the only means for Salvation.

Love and Love alone.....-- Paritala Gopi Krishna

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Dear sadaks,1)"Nothing at all is mine'' is perfect fact truth, but many are ignorant. Mr Brila rich man, assets, big family, large friends, hefty bank account, all were there 2 minutes before touch down by the air craft in which he was traveling. But the flight caught fire. 2 minutes later became Zero. Nothing at all was his (Brila)2) When nothing is mine, then it becomes that"I need nothing at all" automatically.3)"I have not the least relationship with anyone at all'', means for Sanyas Yog. Not for Baktha or Grahasta. Baktha needs Sat Sangh, Guru, and sadaks to mingle with to sing the glory of God. Grahasta has father, mother etc to whom he has to fullfil his karmic debts not avoidable.4) "Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own", in other words Sri Radha said, "Sri Krishna is my own" and HE disappeared and Radha had to cry profusely. When nothing is mine- I need nothing at all- I do not have worldly relationship, then Bagavan is in me and everywhere around (omnipresent) naturally.Jai Sri KrishnaB.Sathyanarayan

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1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own......... ..Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar Crystal clear is Sadhna jee's understanding of Love ..................... doubt can never arise ,should Krishna sanctify nari 's narinder-ness .................. Krishna is my Life, Krishna is my Being

Krishna is my Breath, Krishna verily my Consciousness

Krishna is the heart yearning for Fulfilment

Krishna himself the fulfilment of Love

Krishna is You

Krishna is Me

Krishna is The Union of You and Me

HIS Gift His Grace !

Krishna, Krishna, Jai Jai KrishnaAUM narinder bhandari

I would read the same four sentences as follows:

1. Nothing at all is mine but I am just the same as every other thing.2. I need nothing at all, nor does anyone really need me, yet all things areinter-dependent.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all, yet each one in theuniverse is my closest relative.4. Bhagwaan (God) is my own as wllas of everyone else: in Bhagwan we exist andrest.But there are other principles as well.How I wish, I could perfectly practice at least the above four simple principlesall the moments of the rest of my life.May God bless me in my desire to achieve that state. Basudeb Sen------------Hari Om

Sadhak RaviErraboluji ! Your message is understandable! The message of Swamiji onthe other hand is divine and COMPLETE ! Even a word from Him can not beincomplete, here there is a whole page !! You are not able to fullyunderstand the completeness merely because you have erroneouslypresumed that by this message, what is contemplated is "throwing ofthings (physical disconnection with worldly things) from possession"and " physical disconnection with worldly people"! It is not so. Youhave to renounce "importance" only thereof internally atmind/intellect/antahkarana level and become detached by "bhavas" (innersentiments) and not physically. Once you grasp this, and read Swamiji'smessage again, it will surely appear COMPLETE to you.

Shri Anil Bhanot ! Stay put in this Satsanga forum as you have been staying since long. "Kabhi to DeenDayal ke bhanak padegi kaan" ( Some day surely the sound of your presence in Satsanga will reach the ears of Paramatma and Hiscompassionate and benevolent eyes will turn towards you) !

Jai Shree Krishna

Vyas N B

------Jai Hanuman

Swamijiwould often say that one teacher narrated whole day to pupil themathematics formulae reg multiplication. When in the evening teacherasked the pupil as to 16 multiplied by 2 is how much? Pupil replied - 8!!

Wamanji ! How can you make good karmas by ignoring yoursoul as you are soul only ? "Conscience" is a fragment of soul onlywhich guides you to do good karmas. Soul is not a separate entity thanyou. You are soul not BMI. How can you keep yourself in bondagethinking "soul will take care of itself"? Are you body and not "soul"?If you are not "soul" then who is "soul"? Some ghost? Some vampire?

Soulneeds salvation from body because with the temporaryness of body ,andmineness with body the permanency of soul and mineness with Daddy thegreat is forgotten.Hence container has had blinding effect on the soul.

The Question of "body worrying about salvation of the soul" does notarise, because body is inert and cannot worry at all. All worriesbelong to Jeeva only. Mind , body and Intellect (BMI) is not "you".They are container. You are resident in container. This is fundamentalknowledge.

Humans are not evolved animals. They become animalslater on when they disrespect human birth. It does not matter to you orme as to what happens after 7 million years and as to how a superiorspecies of animals is going to evolve. Already enough wait of such typehas been made by all of us, and we should wake up now from sleep ofignorance- now that we are humans. We should worry for our emancipationrather than waiting for 700 million years to admire what kind ofsuperior species are going to evolve. Whatever kinds of animals arehere at the moment , we have to get rid of them and reach unto theloving arms of Daddy the Great.Already for millions and trillions ofeons and ages we have wasted in admiring the evolution process.

Namaste Jee

Jee JeeShashikala---

Narain ! Narain !! Sadhak Ravi Errabolu! Message of Param Shraddheya Swamiji is complete in all respects. Your message is also not wrong. Only thing is that you have not gone deeper and your association is not continuous. You need "things" is your assumption only. The fact is that your needs get supplied to you without your taking any responsibility or assumung any need for the same. Does a child assume any need for himself/herself ? Still the necessities get supplied. Here the deliberations are at the 'highest' level- realisation/benediction level. In reality, your need is not "things", your real need is "Paramatma" ! Once you say you see Bhagwaan in all, then the last para observations of your message become redundant. The very notion , wife/children , mine or that of other, you have to ultimately relinquish. Had you really felt the way you have expressed in message, the divine message of Swamiji Maharaj would never have appeared incomplete or dangerous to you. There is hidden "need" of worldly possessions and people inside you, there is an importance inside you of them still in you, which makes you react in this manner. It may be subtle, but it is there definitely. Satsanga/ Such succint messages of Swamiji are meant to take that thorn out of your person. REMEMBER: Once you depend upon God, dependency over things ceases entirely. It cant be that I depend, still things are necessary ! Narain ! Narain !! Naarad N Maharishi------

Jai Shree Krishna This refers to message of Shri Anil Bhanot ! Calling to a Saint of the level of Swamiji Shri Ramsukhdasji Maharaj to be a "fakir" in fact reflects "fakirpan" of the caller only. "Fakir" though it means "detached" in a sadhak's language but it also means very poor /pennyless / worthless in the language of lay man. It is a sarcastical remark by a person who himself is very poor. Poor by conduct, poor by thoughts, poor by bhavas, poor by achaar and poor by vichaar. As Swamiji would often say as you are so looks the world to you. Anilji must introspect a simple fact. IS HE NOT CONSTANTLY READING GT MESSAGES ? Yes ! He is !! By love or hatred or sarcasm. Has he been out of this Divine web site ever? I saw his similar messages in the past also. ( I made my own thorough research when I decided to participate actively in deliberations) Now he is attached to Satsanga. He will definitely reap its fruits. Even the sinner most, if he ever attends Satsanga gets benefitted. Sure! It is like doing "Ganga snaan" ( Taking dip in Holy Ganges) . Some do snaan in " Vaisakh" month (May/June) when Sun is fiercely burning. When you take dip, your entire body feels cool and blissful. If you drink some water, there is soothing relief to the whole body and soul. Another is in "maagh" month ( January/Feb). At that point when you enter Ganges , you are frozen. Entire body shivers.Your hands and fingers become movement less. You try to get out of water as early as you can. Both "snaans" get you same result. But how painful is "maagh" snaan ? Shri Anil Bhanot ! Never forget that God never pardons disrespect to His Devotees. He may pardon disrespect to Himself but NEVER NEVER to His Devotees. Why are you sinning for no apparent reason? As a habit, is it? If you dont agree, say politely, give reasons, seek clarification. Why sin ? No ! Brother !! As a habit you should not sin. There is an idiom - " ANDHE BINA AWADE NAHIN, ANDHO DEETHO SUHAVE NAHIN" . Without blind person as a friend you do not relish, and as soon as you see him you hate him. Same is the state with you. Without reading this Divine Site messages you dont appease. You must read. And the moment you read, you become full of hatred. Any way, I can humbly remind you that talking ill of Saints and Sages is a kind of sin, which is not forgiven ever by God. Take this into consideration. Swami Rupesh Kumar

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Dear Sadhak,

1. Nothing is mine at all---except my Girdhar Gopala2. I need nothing at all---My Krishna takes care of all my needs, why do I need to worry about anything at all ? Uski mergi hi meri margi.3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all---does anyone else exist except HIM ?4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own...........Mere to Girdhar Gopal, doosra na koi. with Love,A sadhikaSadhna Karigar

The message is so perfect.. How to add to such perfection? Knowing that one can so easily attain emancipation in this manner accepting that Supreme Love, Knowledge, Emancipation makes God Realization automatically attainable. God has declared in Gita "Know that Matter and Spirit are both without beginning" (13/19) "Oh Arjuna! Know Myself to be the Ksetrajna(Spirit)also in all Ksetras(Matter)(13/2)Accept that you are Spirit (Purusha) and so are different from Matter. Do not accept the relationship that you are (Prakriti) Matter so as to derive pleasure from it. By accepting the relationship of I- ness and mine-ness one commits error. This body is not mine, not I, the world is not ours as we are Gods only.

catherine andersen

---------------------------With respect I disagree with the four points for salvation and actually is a defeatist attitude of irresponsiblity and despondancy which Arjun was a victim of - this is not non-attachment doctrine of Lord Krishna but a "rejection" doctrine of the fakir. Sorry.anil bhanot

Shree Hari Ram RamAnilji, Namaskaar! You cannot get away by simply making a statement, without pointing out what exactly you consider defeatist, irresponsible and despondent. Please be brave and if you feel so strongly, kindly take the time to bring out the specific points of concern and don't be sorry! We will all benefit from these insights as it is all Mangalmai (auspicious).From Gita Talk Moderators, Ram Ram----------------------------

The article is not complete. If a normal person reads this article It is possible to lead him to a wrong direction. They have good intention (please do not take me wrong) and it has to be expressed properly.

As long as I live in this world with this human body and mind I need the necessary things. I use them and forget them. Basically I am detached with the things I need. We have to depend on God to provide what we need. If we do not have them then we have to go through suffering.

I have loving relationship with people I come across. I do not have attachment. I see that Bhagawaan in those people i come across. I see God in my wife, children of my own.

Bhagawaan is mine and others too. If I think Bhagawaan is mine alone there is always a chance for my mind to think Bhagawaan is not others.The basic thinking in all these terrorists mind my God is great and not others.

The real definite means of salvation comeS with adopting to true divine love.

Ravi Errabolu------------------Dear Geeta Sadhakas, Namaskar,

When your Body, Mind and Intellect...that is `You`..accept that `your` soul is divine and BMI is the `container` of the soul...then why do you think that the container will have any effect on the soul...Soul is divine, then why it needs salvation from the body...why the body should worry about the salvation of the soul?

This Planet Earth has a history of 450 millions of Earth Years (The time taken by the Earth to go round the Sun is one Earth Year, because the cycle of seasons repeats after completing one revolution. The year of every planet is the time taken for one revolution around the Sun..e.g. for Saturn it is about 22 Earth Years)...out of which about about 300 million years is the history of Lifeforms..bacteria, insects and other animals...Humans have a history of just 7 miilion years....Humans are evolved animals...there is no need to consider present humans are favoured by `Supreme`...because after another 7 million years..a superior species of animals is going to evolve...

So go on doing Good Karmas so that your life on Earth will be happier...your `Soul` will take care of itself...

....Gee Waman-------------------------Sadhakji, I suggest that next time when you address anyone, you say 'Namaste". All our great luminaries - Shri Raam, Shri Krishna, Mata Sita, Rishi Dayananda - said NAMASTE. Namaste Dr. Satish Prakash

---------------------------PRIOR POSTING Namaste "The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life..." Indeed, truly, this is the MAIN FLAW! The "I-ness" and False Ego that influences us to think "we own things." But, how can we, as a practical and pragmatic matter, living in this gross materialistic world cast aside the "I-ness" so that we can come to the realization that "nothing is mine at all" ? Start by studying and living Geeta; no just studying, reading, and discussing, but actually living according to the principles and teachings of Geeta. Ram RamDeosaran Bisnath

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Shree Hari-

I have a favorite grounding argument for those forcing others to bend their knees to God as they consider others should, who damn people to death or punishment, or to hell and so on, because they will not acquiesce.

I say go to a quiet place on a clear night, lay on your back look up at heavens, and see the tiniest speck possible, and realize that, that tiny speck, could easily be a cluster of galaxies, whose light started its journey, before the dinosaurs walked the earth.

And ask them, "Do you think THAT which Created and Sustains ALL that ever was, is, and ever will be, needs you puny efforts to bring his Kingdom into being", these deluded souls are completely blind.

'... In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all"....'

You see, such succinct comments by Revered Swamiji lights up my soul.

With Respect and Divine Love,

Mike Keenor

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:Shree Hari:Ram Ram Definite Means for Salvation Bhagwaan out of His grace has bestowed upon us this human body so that we may attain salvation. Besides attaining salvation, this human birth has no need, purpose, object, use or concern what so ever. This body, wealth-possesions, property-house, wife-son etc. whatever worldly things that are there, they all-in-all are acquired and will go away. A man may become very rich, strong, scholarly, he may hold a high ranking position, may have a large family heritage, but without attaining salvation all these things will be of absolutely no use. They will be like a marriage procession without the bridegroom, i.e. all these worldly enjoyments and possessions will be useless. Therefore it is the main duty of a man to attain his salvation.In this connection there is a vital fact, an extraordinary point and that is - For attaining one's salvation, all of mankind is entirely independent (swatantra), competent (samarth), worthy (yogya), and entitled (adhikaari). Because Bhagwaan bestows upon us this human body, then with it he also graces us with the freedom, the competence, the worthiness, and the rights to attain salvation. Now the question arises that for attaining one's salvation what should man do? The answer is that if man firmly accepts the following four points with determination then he will attain salvation - 1. Nothing is mine at all2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own. The main flaw, which gives rise to all other flaws is to accept the things that are acquired and lost as our own. In fact, in the infinite universes (cosmos, Brahmaand) even the smallest particle of dust is not our own. Therefore "nothing is mine at all" - by accepting this fact, flawlessness ensues in life. On becoming flawless, man becomes righteous, he becomes devout, he becomes spiritual, he becomes a saint.

When nothing at all is mine, then what thing should I need? Therefore "I need nothing" - by accepting this, man immediately attains a state of desirelessness in his life. When man becomes free from all desires, man becomes a yogi. In other words, he attains yog in the form of equanimity in all aspects in life. "Swamatvam yog ucchyate." (Gita 2:48). When there is no desires, he also attains Yoga in the form of complete repose of mental disposition (stillness of the mind). "Yogaschittvruttinirodh." (Yogadarshan 1:2) Man's essential nature is naturally detached - "Asango hyuyam purushah." (Brhadaa 4:3:15). By not accepting a relationship with any object or being that comes together and later separates, he experiences detachment from them. On realizing and experiencing this detachment, he becomes wise (jnani). Every being is a part of only Bhagwaan - "Mamevaansh jeevaloke" (Gita 15:7). Being a part of Bhagwaan (God), only God is our very own. No one else besides God is ours. In this manner, accepting this intimacy, affinity "sense of mine" with God, a man becomes a devotee. On becoming righteous (dharmaatmaa), Yogi (equanimous), Wise (jnani) and a devotee (Bhakt), it implies his Salvation. It is not difficult for this to happen; because in reality, man's essential nature is Divinity. In that Divinity - flawless, desireless, and detachment are self evident. And that divinity is a part of Paramatma (God). Therefore it is the aspirant's duty to accept these four facts with a firm resolve. Then his salvation is definite.

From "Salvation of Mankind" Chapter 5 - in English pg 66 and "Maanav Maatre ke Kalyaan ke Liye" in Hindi page 69 in by Swami Ramsukhdasji.

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June 10, 2009

Shree HariRam RamNamaskaar, NAMASTE Sadhaks ! the four truths -1. Nothing at all is mine2. I need nothing at all3. I have not the least relationship with anyone at all4. Only Bhagwaan (God) is my own.

PLEASE RAISE ANY DOUBTS / DISAGREEMENTS /APPREHENSION ! OR ELSE ACCEPT ! LIVE BY THESE PRINCIPLES! With His Divine Grace...let there be no inertia in this acceptance.

Ram Ram---------------------------NEW POSTING

Sri Hari, I think these 4 statement requires the meaning of "I" before understanding its requirement and relationship with "Bhagvaan ji" and "else".

Niteesh DubeyRam Ram

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Vishook Sharma jee,

Yes................. Shri Vyas jee's words are divine ................... the divine has come to you through his words .......................

May the buddhas give you the courage and strength to put your Reasolve into action.

May I only add the following words ,which I read at some point of time in scriptures ..............

" when a person murders another , he is punished with Death .................. when he murders his own body ( suicide ), does he escape punishment ?"

and my Guru explained it thus:

No.Never. If one commits suicide, he will have to face identical situautions,on account of which he is thinking of suicide ,in future lifetimes again and again ! .....................

Till,he gathers courage and resolves to face the situation ( put into effect Vyas jee's advice diligently ). If you fail in the class, you have to repeat the class............. it is a simple rule. You yourself have to work at yourself to go beyond, to pass............

The suicide ,the Vedas allow you to commit ...................... the Knowers have called it ...............the Ultimate Suicide .... suicide of the Mind,the Ego ............. go in for it ,dear Sadhaka ...... God has given you an opportunity for doing so ...............................and, you have the courage and strength for it .................

Blessings of all the Buddhas are always with you ,when you correctly resolve ..........

AUM

narinder

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I practice this except No.3,by which I give auto-suggestion to myself that letmy relationship with other individuals and also Natural phenomena be divine i.e.full of love,compassion,good-will,cheerfulness.equanimity,forgiveness,gratitude, humilityetc. This does work progressively.I take strength for this approach from 10th. Chapter of Bhagvad-Geeta.Jayantilal Shah

-------Hari OmSharmaji ! I am happy that you are feeling better. I too felt better noticing the fact that by reading our Sadhak Brethren on issues like wife abuse etc a thought of getting out of existing state came in your mind. In fact Brother Mike Keenor diagnosed your "anger management" state ( Refer his message to you ) right on the spot , which state now your doctors have confirmed ; Krishnaji Narinedath diagnosed your guilt/anxiety syndrome and Madanji Kaura gave you sterling divine insights. This is Satsanga effect, as a whole not alone Vyas N B. Then you were reading Gita even otherwise. Even touching Holy Gita unintentionally has positive impact. Still I accept your compliments to me on behalf of this Divine Forum of Satsanga ! Thanks. Keep contributing in deliberations at regular intervals. You should share your insights with Sadhak Brethren, just as they shared their insights with you. Be firm. Become of God. See God in your wife. Never feel guilty. Believe yourself to be God. Don't look back too often into the past. Get lost in the fresh thoughts about how to make your wife more and more happy. Jai Shree KrishnaVyas N B

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PRIOR POSTING

Dear Geeta Sadhak, This is the best message given by Swamiji.Please convey my Namaskar to him 1 We should say that nothing is mine Everything is owned by almighty God So while doing exercise I say nothing is my mine I am yours and you are mine 2 I do not want anything for what I do.While performing rituals,all practice of rituals are surreendered to God after the worship 3 No body is mine except yourself Oh God. There are bhajan's on this topic 4 Only God is mine.I have full faith in this belief I always sing bhajan's on this point. Oh God I have come to your door Please open the door to Heaven By performing such morning prayers along with my ritualistic prayers,while reciting the names of Lord Krishna and Lord Rama, tears come out from y eyes,such is the effect of daily prayers to Almighty God Truly yours Shsankerprasad S Bhatt M.Com--------------------------

Dear Sadhaks,Ram Ram.My heartfelt thanks to all who gave me so many good advise especially to Mr Vyas N.B. Your Advise is the advise I need.I am under medical supervison.Medication do not help me. My Guru gave the same advise like Mr Vyas. It was ego which kept me from accepting his words of wisdom.My dreams are based on my guilt.I am diagnoised as having Anger Management and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.My suicide feeling is as result of guilt. There is no feeling of rejection,my wife did not leave even when I behaved badly towards her.Everyone tolerated my behaviour and this makes me guilty also. My feeling of suicide is only because I feel guilty.I have done sinful acts mainly to my wife.This feelings of guilty and remorse came after reading the many messages here about wife abuse,Ego and Anger.I abused my good wife. I know Gita by memory and also read it daily and nightly. This did not stop my nightmares and my Guru says that Gita will never save anyone who abuses another and only service to the victims will.I did not accept his advise beacuse he knows my wife also and my feeling was that he is bias. Mr Vyas advise is what my Guru says too and when I read his message, I realise what must be done. I now behave better towards my wife and I feel a little better but it is a long away to go.Vishook Sharma HARI OM

I wish to share this:A couple came to us about 6 weeks ago with a serious problem in their relationship. They were arguing and shouting, accusing each other of not being responsible and shirking chores and tasks at home, and numerous other issues. They accused each other of neglect, uncaring behavior, abuse, of not loving each other, and were threatening each other with divorce. We heard them, allowed them to shout and vent, then quietly asked them to listen while we read several verses of the Gita and explained to them why they should stop shouting and screaming at each other. Then we told them to get a housekeeper to help for 2 or 3 days per week. They were shocked at such a simple solution but they hired help and today they are the most blissfully loving couple. Most of all, they don't miss a satsang and want to help others in similar situation. Seek help, listen to advice, go to Gita. You will be forever happy. May Bhagavan Bless us all.

Krishna S Narinedath

HARI OM

I wish to share this:A couple came to us about 6 weeks ago with a serious problem in their relationship. They were arguing and shouting, accusing each other of not being responsible and shirking chores and tasks at home, and numerous other issues. They accused each other of neglect, uncaring behavior, abuse, of not loving each other, and were threatening each other with divorce. We heard them, allowed them to shout and vent, then quietly asked them to listen while we read several verses of the Gita and explained to them why they should stop shouting and screaming at each other. Then we told them to get a housekeeper to help for 2 or 3 days per week. They were shocked at such a simple solution but they hired help and today they are the most blissfully loving couple. Most of all, they don't miss a satsang and want to help others in similar situation. Seek help, listen to advice, go to Gita. You will be forever happy. May Bhagavan Bless us all.

Krishna S Narinedath HARI OM