Guest guest Report post Posted June 13, 2009 Dear Sriram and devotees of the Divine Mother, I am republishing the Prathyinkira Vidhanam and I want to include more materials, if any of the devotees could send them to me. Incidentally, I would also like to know whether there is any prescribed ritual using chillies in the Prathyinkira homam and people claim that it is nikumbala yagam in which red chillies are used. According to me this is totally wrong and impossible, because red chillies was not available during the period of Indrajit. More so Hanuman destroyed the yagam done by Indragit and therefore doing Nikumbala yagam as claimed by does, cannot and will not be able to destroy the enemies. This misconception should be removed. I have the text of Nikumbala Yagam but there is no prescription for the same. Can any one help. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Dear sir, Though I am unsure of the prescribed rituals, I know of a temple (I am not sure if its Ayyavadi or Vakrakali) - one of them is a prathiyangira devi temple where they have the practice of offering red chillies - I hear despite the presence of so many chillies, there is no burning effect on the devotees.. Regards, Raghav On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 8:57 AM, S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsaiwrote: > > > Dear Sriram and devotees of the Divine Mother, > > I am republishing the Prathyinkira Vidhanam and I want to include more > materials, if any of the devotees could send them to me. > > Incidentally, I would also like to know whether there is any prescribed > ritual using chillies in the Prathyinkira homam and people claim that it is > nikumbala yagam in which red chillies are used. According to me this is > totally wrong and impossible, because red chillies was not available during > the period of Indrajit. More so Hanuman destroyed the yagam done by Indragit > and therefore doing Nikumbala yagam as claimed by does, cannot and will not > be able to destroy the enemies. This misconception should be removed. > > I have the text of Nikumbala Yagam but there is no prescription for the > same. Can any one help. > > Regards, > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Sri Gurubhyon Namha Dear Sangarnarayan garu You could contact one Sri Manikantha sharma of puddukotai bhuvaneshwari adishtanam, or courtallam mouna swamy ashram, they would be able to help you out with it, there is a Pratyangira temple in hyderabad that is governed by the Courtallam swmiji, they do homa with dired red chillies,? and alcohol and other things to kala bhirava, my knowledge is limited regarding the activities of the ashram as i dont like and dont prefer to go there too often, there are other books that have prtyangira shasranama, and the 3 pratyangira upasana?and sadhana. PS: Indrajit sucessfully did the yaga and thus he was able to bind both Rama and Lakshamana, he was doing the yaga for the second time when it was interrupted by Anjaniputra, at the advice of Vibhishana, who told Vayuputra that if Indrajit were to complete the yaga no one would be able to defeat him. Why go after all?this when it is given in Lalitha sahasranama phala shruthi that Pratyangira protects the devotees of Ambal, and she is a?spec of Ambal's power, just as you always say we should look at ambal in ourselves, not in the outside. Sri Kamakshi Raghavender? ________________________________ S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:57:46 AM Prathyinkira vidhanam Dear Sriram and devotees of the Divine Mother, I am republishing the Prathyinkira Vidhanam and I want to include more materials, if any of the devotees could send them to me. Incidentally, I would also like to know whether there is any prescribed ritual using chillies in the Prathyinkira homam and people claim that it is nikumbala yagam in which red chillies are used. According to me this is totally wrong and impossible, because red chillies was not available during the period of Indrajit. More so Hanuman destroyed the yagam done by Indragit and therefore doing Nikumbala yagam as claimed by does, cannot and will not be able to destroy the enemies. This misconception should be removed. I have the text of Nikumbala Yagam but there is no prescription for the same. Can any one help. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Dear sankaranarayanan, Namaste. The roots of pratyangira are found in Pippalada & Saunaka Samhita of Atharva Veda. The Saunaka Sakha also gives out the prayoga vidhana of Pratyangira as a counter to Kritya. Also, the Meru Tantra gives out the details of Pratyangira Upasana but i have not personally checked the Meru Tantra regarding this upasana. As per the opinion of the learned atharva vedic scholars whom i know, mention 2 forms of prayoga that are mentioned in Saunaka Sakha of A. Veda. Pratyangira is invoked using the Atharvana Bhadrakali Sukta, Vamadeva and Rakshoghna Agni Suktas of A.Veda. The other prayoga is a homa vidhana using *apamarga patra* while chanting *apamarga sukta* of Saunaka sakha of Atharva Veda. Then with the mantra japa of the famous rik *yAm kalpayanti........*, using the ghee of Goat, the oblations are performed. The pippalada sakha prescribes the oblations of curd to Indra with a bali offering to paralyze the enemy. During the evolutionary process, *vedic tantrisim* took different turns at different times and during the course of time some tantras degenerated and bore ugly faces. As regards the pratyangira homa with chillies, as i said, this could be one of the *degenerated* forms of upasana and fortunately or unfortunately, now-a-days, most of the pithadhipatis / sanyasis are attracted to this form of homa. Though, there is no scriptural evidence to this, Shri Siddheshwarananda Bharati of Courtallam Mouna Pitham has been following this pratyangira homa vidhana with red chillies. Some of the books which i have seen do mention this procedure, but how far they are scripturally correct, i am not able to judge as i am ignorant in Pratyangira Upsana. Not even pratyangira homa, but the Chandi Homa procedures that are followed by some of the upasakas are *questionable* with ingredients like palm leaf trays etc. My gurunatha objected to this usage of *palm leaf trays* as a part of chandi homa. Only *ghee-misrita-payasanna* and *tila* should be used in Chandi Homas. Similarly, Atharva Veda prescribes Apamarga Patra, Goat Ghee as a part of Pratyangira Ritual. Now as regards the mantra prayoga of Indrajit, Shri Anjaneya is the sarva mantra swarupa having been emanated from Rudra virya. It is NOT that Nikumbila is powerless but the *prarabdha karma* of Indrajit bore the fruit as he was treading *adharma* marga. May some of the members of this forum like Rajitha / Satish may help us out regarding the usage of *red dried chillies* as i am not well versed in Pratyangira Homa. Probably, Meru Tantra may be of use to you. Kindly refer that in Adyar Library. with regards, sriram , S Sangaranarayanan <sangarsai wrote: > > Dear Sriram and devotees of the Divine Mother, > > > > I am republishing the Prathyinkira Vidhanam and I want to include more materials, if any of the devotees could send them to me. > > Incidentally, I would also like to know whether there is any prescribed ritual using chillies in the Prathyinkira homam and people claim that it is nikumbala yagam in which red chillies are used. According to me this is totally wrong and impossible, because red chillies was not available during the period of Indrajit. More so Hanuman destroyed the yagam done by Indragit and therefore doing Nikumbala yagam as claimed by does, cannot and will not be able to destroy the enemies. This misconception should be removed. > > I have the text of Nikumbala Yagam but there is no prescription for the same. Can any one help. > > Regards, > > S.SHANGARANARAYANAN > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 , raghavender ganti <rganti9 wrote: > PS: Indrajit sucessfully did the yaga and thus he was able to bind >both Rama and Lakshamana, he was doing the yaga for the second time >when it was interrupted by Anjaniputra, at the advice of Vibhishana, >who told Vayuputra that if Indrajit were to complete the yaga no one >would be able to defeat him. > Why go after all?this when it is given in Lalitha sahasranama phala >shruthi that Pratyangira protects the devotees of Ambal, and she is >a?spec of Ambal's power, just as you always say we should look at >ambal in ourselves, not in the outside. Namaste, It is not without reason that we find these rituals in tantra. I am unsure how seriously the phala shruti should be taken in this matter. IMHO pratya~Ngira, sharabheshvara etc protecting devotee's of lalitA is nothing more than an exaggeration. People will say pratya~ngira is an a~Nga devata of lalita or in some x y z krama pratya~Ngira mantra is said briefly etc etc and so this is true. pratya~Ngira is to be invoked seperately to receive that deity's full protection. Same for sharabheshvara and other devata-s. This is the reason elaborate manuals exist for invoking them. If someone thinks this is not correct, I am willing to see any reasoning behind that. shrIvidyA is given too much importance these days. This is okay as long as it does not reach a level where people say that other systems are redundant or just dont care to study and preserve(by seeking initiation in non-shrIvidya tAntric systems) them. Regards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Sri Gurubhyon Namaha Dear Satish Ji My apologies for saying that " Why go after all?this when it is given in Lalitha sahasranama phala shruthi that Pratyangira protects the devotees of Ambal, and she is a spec of Ambal's power " what i meant was that the upasana of these dieties is meant for a mature person?, one who is devoid of the dualities. I remember asking my guruji about it and he mentioned it to be very advanced ,very powerful and potent prayogas assosciated with it, and it has to be learned and practised under a able guru. He also mentioned of great amount of preparation physically, mentally and spiritually?before and after the invocation of these prayogas, else the man would be sapped of his energies rendering him useless. But given the present worldly life we are in i felt it is not for me at this point of time. Sri Kamakshi Raghavender ________________________________ Satish <satisharigela Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:08:30 PM Re: Prathyinkira vidhanam @ .com, raghavender ganti <rganti9 > wrote: It is not without reason that we find these rituals in tantra. I am unsure how seriously the phala shruti should be taken in this matter. IMHO pratya~Ngira, sharabheshvara etc protecting devotee's of lalitA is nothing more than an exaggeration. People will say pratya~ngira is an a~Nga devata of lalita or in some x y z krama pratya~Ngira mantra is said briefly etc etc and so this is true. pratya~Ngira is to be invoked seperately to receive that deity's full protection. Same for sharabheshvara and other devata-s. This is the reason elaborate manuals exist for invoking them. If someone thinks this is not correct, I am willing to see any reasoning behind that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 In the shrI pratya~Ngira temple in sholinganallur( right next to the OMR in Chennai) also this practise of homa with red chillies is done. This particular homa is done in the evenings/early night. srI harI Gopi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Dear Divine souls, Let us not cross track. I know eprsonally a very powerful person want to a prathyinkira upasaka and did several havans for the anihilation of the enemy using red chillies in the proyoga. What happened was the enemy got more and more powerful and the person who undertook the yagna, went down in personality, environment etc. Further when red chillies are coated with Neem oil or even castor oil and then put into fire it would not emit chillies gas and make the devotee's eye swet. Whatever said and done, no diety of the divine mother will anihilate any one, because DIVINE MOTHER IS COMPASSIONATE, KARUNYAMURTHY AND SHE CANNOT HAVE DEVATAS FOR PUNISHMENT. BY SUCH MEANINGLESS PRAYOGA ONE DESTROYS ONESELF. The proyogas are meant purely to correct oneself - for instance if a person comes to harm a upasaka, by chanting asvaruda, the intruder goes away because he forgets his intention as he advances. There are a many number of personal experiences. Let us be happy. S.SHANGARANARAYANAN rganti9 Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:04 -0700 Re: Re: Prathyinkira vidhanam Sri Gurubhyon Namaha Dear Satish Ji My apologies for saying that " Why go after all?this when it is given in Lalitha sahasranama phala shruthi that Pratyangira protects the devotees of Ambal, and she is a spec of Ambal's power " what i meant was that the upasana of these dieties is meant for a mature person?, one who is Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 16, 2009 Dear Divine Brother, I do not believe in such harmful prayogas. Whatever said and done, Nikumbala Yaga was destroyed. That is all. Thsi establishes the fact that none should do this type of yaga to bring harm to others. Prathyinkira will never help. Regarding using alcohol, I have an experience. Once i want to a temple of Kala Bhairava where midnight puja was done, the sanctum sanctorum filled with total alcohol for offering. None is allowed inside, but when the Pujari looked at me, he asked me to come inside. i went there saw the whole offering and felt as if the Bhairava telling me that they are offering me alcohol eventhough i am not a drunkard. Thereafter as per the directions of my guru I transmitted the divine energy when a strange thing happened - everyone including the pujari stood still for a few seconds and even the harathi in his hand was held up without a movement for a few seconds. Thereafter the pujari was told to offer some kind of sharbath instead of country liquor but he abused. That night the pujari had a dream and wanted sharbath to be offered. Next day the Pujara approached us and told his experience and wanted sharbath to be offered. The dieties however fierce they may look, have a compassionate heart and soul and they do no harm. Only our own thought, deed and action harms us. Regards, S.SHANGARANARAYANAN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 18, 2009 jnanatmanaya vidmahe, maha krityaya Dhimahi , tanah pratyangira pra... Eedaneem paramam Saktim sarva Satru kshayakarim chintayet paramesanim trylokya Bhaya naasanim Dear Sadhaka There are many versions spoken of Pratyangira. But for the sadhak's of Pratyangira she is the Ulitimate Inspiration. One of the story told on Pratyangira incarnation is that In battle between Devas and Asuras even the Sudharshana chakra failed and all the deva's went to Siva for future action. Siva then invoked Pratyangira sakthi here Pratyangira sakti was Created with Pratyeka angas (half Lioness and half female) with the enormous capacity of Para Mantra Yantra tantra Bakshini. Every thing in front of this power just gets observed into it making it much more powerful. A wise Sadhaka uses This Prayoga as a last resort and in grave situation like Dharma Samstapana and for other Noble Causes as Pratyangira is nothing but Truth. Truth is fire and its Prayoga cant be taken back hence the sadhaka should be aware that this Prayoga backfire's. A wise person tries to successfully possess a Super power and also knows that by having it his responsibility increases for not misusing it. (We all know that few countries have enough Nuclear missiles to bombard the earth many times ) and possessing such devastating power . Only sadhaka's who have the capacity of upasamhara (diffuse) are eligible for it's Prayoga there are Viloma Gayatri, Bhadrakali, Agneya, vayu, Bhoota nigraham and 6 abhicharaka's for prayogas There are Pratyangira Stava,Kavacham,golakam, Ati bala and so on. for upasana in Pratyangira Bhashya it's given as Santih pustiScha vridischa apa mrithyu kshaya statha abhicharika krutyacha santih pratyabhicharika maha vishan haret sarvaan sarva papa haram param Upasana is different from Prayoga's and Pratyangira upasana is a Glorious protector of Sadhana and gives sampurnatha (completion) of upasana. May be it's the perception of seeking the blessings of this great power which differs but one thing is for sure mother will always bless her children. Gayatri mantra which is considered as the santhi mantra when reversed becomes the prathama Bhayankara Astra Brahma Astra. So Gayatri upasana on a logical basis is becoming a ugra Sadhana. Now what are we left with. jnanatmanaya vidmahe, maha krityaya Dhimahi , tanah pratyangira prachodayat Using of chillies in Homa is definetly new age innovation as there are more and more wants there will be such Innovations. usage of Ghee and Rice then came Ksheerannam and thrimaduvu and there are prescribed texts for using sesame,pepper and salt in the home why cant there be Red chillies after all red chilled are grown from mother earth and it's doesn't fall into the catgory of Pancha makaras Namaste Diwakar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 19, 2009 2009/6/18 Diwakar N.V.L.G <diwakarvlg: > > Using of chillies in Homa is definetly new age innovation as there are more > and more wants there will be such Innovations. usage of Ghee and Rice then > came Ksheerannam and thrimaduvu and there are prescribed texts for using > sesame,pepper and salt in the home why cant there be Red chillies after all > red chilled are grown from mother earth and it's doesn't fall into the > catgory of Pancha makaras > This is just a side note of historical interest. Chillies are native to the American continent and were unknown in India until the 1500s. So the use of chillies in homa-s or in any other aspect of Hindu life is of relatively recent origin. Potatoes and chillies are perhaps the two greatest American imports into India over the last 500 years !! -- santoá¹£aḥ paramo lÄbhaḥ satsaá¹…gaḥ paramÄ gatiḥ I vicÄraḥ paramaá¹ jñÄnaá¹ Å›amo hi paramaá¹ sukham II - Yoga VÄsiá¹£á¹ha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hindustudent2012 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2012 Hi, I am from Guyana, South America.. My grandfather learned tantrics in 1930s, when he was about 18 years old.. He learned from pundits that were in their 50s.. We do not say grandfather, we say Ajaa.. My Ajaa's grandfather came from Uttar Pradesh and his mother came from Kolkota. Anyway, back in those days, he use to go to the cemetery around mid-night when someone was buried earlier in the day and do some tantrics the dead man would wake up and break out of the tomb.. When he was done what he was doing the dead man goes back in the tomb.. The next day people will think it was vandalism.. This is how he tested what he had learn. Keep in mind everything he did was for FREE because in the Vishnu Puran when Raja Dasarath sent a chariot of gold for Brahma Rishi Vashist because the princes education was complete.. Rishi Vashist told Sumant to take the gold back to Dasarath and tell him that Vashist will not allow his mata, Mata Sawarswati become the slave of the rich.. Education is FREE and helping people in living a healthy life is free and that Vashist will not sell his mother.. Selling knowledge is the greatest sin because poor people will never have a chance in life.. Mata Sawarswati will be hated and ignored by the poor.. Too many people are changing their religion because they cannot afford to do religious poojas due to the cost of pundits. He use to cure people and remove spirits from possessed people, so other tantrics would call Kali Maa, do something in a Tari and it would lift off the ground, travel in the air, and land at my Ajaa's door.. They send it to kill him, but he knew the reverse mantra and would come and catch it in his hand before it lands on his door.. He then can send it back to the guy who sent it and kill him, but that he does not do. He use to have so many tantric deities posses (we say PLAY) upon him.. He could walk on fire.. One deity use to come and when he plays on him, then my Ajaa would take red hot chain that was sitting in burning pit for hours and wrap it around himself.. How much do u know about the planet Rahu?. The charioteer also plays on my Ajaa and he takes 2 swords or 2 machetes and chop himself, but no blood comes.. The charioteer is very powerful if my Ajaa removed a spirit from someone and the spirit didn't want to listen to him, he would read a mantra and the charioteer would swallow the soul.. The soul will remain in the charioteer's stomach until he is released; otherwise, remain in dark for the rest of time until judgement.. To make the charioteer get small, you have to read a mantra and throw rice. He use to read a mantra and can call any bird to come sit on his finger.. He saw a mango on a tree he wanted, so he read a mantra, put his hand out, and the mango fell in his hand. There are many more deities.. The reason why I am telling you this is I would like to know if you know about this and if you do, can you teach me it? Please let me know if u can help me. Thanks, Danny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
