Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Namaste Narsimhaji, From your point of view, homam is the best option for spiritual growth. But someone at my workplace told me, if we go on giving weightage to the five elements then 'earth' element is least favourable for, then water ,then fire , then air and then comes akash tattawa for spiritual growth.So, instead of taking the path of fire(homam) we should take path of air(breathing practices).How far is this correct? and if it is true then is there any method of using akash tattwa? Secondly,do you plan to make a video of pitri tarpana? bcoz i have never seen any body doing tarpana. Regards Jitender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 Pranaam Jiten, See the following message which is a good comparision statement for Fire and Air w.r.t. spiritual path. /message/1462 Best Regards, Utpal , " dahiyajiten " <dahiyajiten wrote: > > Namaste Narsimhaji, > > From your point of view, homam is the best option for spiritual growth. > But someone at my workplace told me, if we go on giving weightage to the five elements then 'earth' element is least favourable for, then water ,then fire , then air and then comes akash tattawa for spiritual growth.So, instead of taking the path of fire(homam) we should take path of air(breathing practices).How far is this correct? and if it is true then is there any method of using akash tattwa? > > Secondly,do you plan to make a video of pitri tarpana? bcoz i have never seen any body doing tarpana. > > > Regards > Jitender > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Namaste Jitender, Well, aakaasa is the most predominant element in universe and then air and then fire. Your friend is correct on that. However, why should that imply that aakaasa and air are better elements for spiritual growth than fire? Why should spiritual importance be decided by numbers and pre-dominance? There may be only a handful of elevated yogis in the world and millions of greedy people. Should we say that association with greedy people is better for spiritual growth than association with elevated yogis? Numbers and predominance do not decide what is more useful in spiritual growth! * * * Fire is pure. One of the names for fire is paavaka and means "purifier". Fire purifies whatever it comes in contact with. Air can be pure or impure. If you are able to perceive the underlying Brahman in air, then it is ever pure. But, the problem is that you are not able to perceive the underlying Brahman and you are perceiving a specific object with certain properties in the field of duality. That is why you need to do sadhana in first place. Then why not use something that has good and purifying properties even in the field of duality? Like fire. * * * The method of using the element of aakaasa is jnaana yoga and Vedanta. Aakaasa (ether/space) is an element present in everything and yet imperceptible. Similarly, Brahman is present in every object we perceive and yet we do not perceive Brahman - we only perceive various objects. A vedanti tells oneself that everything is Brahman. Perception of various objects as various objects with properties is an illusion, one keeps telling oneself. One tries to see everything as Brahman. When one feels attraction or repulsion for something, one reminds oneself "what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no X and Y." When one feels pride or depression, one reminds oneself "what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no I or others. There is no good or bad." With persistent contemplation and self-control exerted like that for a long time, one finally overcomes the very seed of such thoughts that need to be countered with "everything is Brahman" logoc. One's mind is established in Brahman and one does not perceive objectification. That is moksha. This path needs tremendous patience, perseverance and discipline. It is not easy. * * * Mother willing, Pitri tarpana video may come later. Best regards,Narasimha- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings- --- On Tue, 12/15/09, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Fire vs Air Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 12:50 PM Pranaam Jiten, See the following message which is a good comparision statement for Fire and Air w.r.t. spiritual path. http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 1462 Best Regards, Utpal , "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ ...> wrote: > > Namaste Narsimhaji, > > From your point of view, homam is the best option for spiritual growth. > But someone at my workplace told me, if we go on giving weightage to the five elements then 'earth' element is least favourable for, then water ,then fire , then air and then comes akash tattawa for spiritual growth.So, instead of taking the path of fire(homam) we should take path of air(breathing practices).How far is this correct? and if it is true then is there any method of using akash tattwa? > > Secondly,do you plan to make a video of pitri tarpana? bcoz i have never seen any body doing tarpana. > > > Regards > Jitender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Namste Narsimha, In addition to this i have one more query. Why do you say that following method of homam is safer than the pranayam method, after all both have duality in them bcoz if we burn something toxic it produces fire of a different kind in comparison to if we burn sandalwood. Kindly explain. Regards Jitender , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr108 wrote: > > Namaste Jitender, > > Well, aakaasa is the most predominant element in universe and then air and then fire. Your friend is correct on that. However, why should that imply that aakaasa and air are better elements for spiritual growth than fire? Why should spiritual importance be decided by numbers and pre-dominance? > > There may be only a handful of elevated yogis in the world and millions of greedy people. Should we say that association with greedy people is better for spiritual growth than association with elevated yogis? > > Numbers and predominance do not decide what is more useful in spiritual growth! > > * * * > > Fire is pure. One of the names for fire is paavaka and means " purifier " . Fire purifies whatever it comes in contact with. > > Air can be pure or impure. If you are able to perceive the underlying Brahman in air, then it is ever pure. But, the problem is that you are not able to perceive the underlying Brahman and you are perceiving a specific object with certain properties in the field of duality. That is why you need to do sadhana in first place. > > Then why not use something that has good and purifying properties even in the field of duality? Like fire. > > * * * > > The method of using the element of aakaasa is jnaana yoga and Vedanta. Aakaasa (ether/space) is an element present in everything and yet imperceptible. Similarly, Brahman is present in every object we perceive and yet we do not perceive Brahman - we only perceive various objects. A vedanti tells oneself that everything is Brahman. Perception of various objects as various objects with properties is an illusion, one keeps telling oneself. One tries to see everything as Brahman. > > When one feels attraction or repulsion for something, one reminds oneself " what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no X and Y. " When one feels pride or depression, one reminds oneself " what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no I or others. There is no good or bad. " With persistent contemplation and self-control exerted like that for a long time, one finally overcomes the very seed of such thoughts that need to be countered with " everything is Brahman " logoc. One's mind is established in Brahman and one does not perceive objectification. That is moksha. > > This path needs tremendous patience, perseverance and discipline. It is not easy. > > * * * > > Mother willing, Pitri tarpana video may come later. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Fire vs Air > > Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 12:50 PM > > > > Pranaam Jiten, > > > > See the following message which is a good comparision statement for Fire and Air w.r.t. spiritual path. > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 1462 > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > , " dahiyajiten " <dahiyajiten@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narsimhaji, > > > > > > From your point of view, homam is the best option for spiritual growth. > > > But someone at my workplace told me, if we go on giving weightage to the five elements then 'earth' element is least favourable for, then water ,then fire , then air and then comes akash tattawa for spiritual growth.So, instead of taking the path of fire(homam) we should take path of air(breathing practices).How far is this correct? and if it is true then is there any method of using akash tattwa? > > > > > > Secondly,do you plan to make a video of pitri tarpana? bcoz i have never seen any body doing tarpana. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Jitender > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2010 Report Share Posted January 1, 2010 Namaste, Yes, both fire and air "have duality in them", but, they serve different purposes within duality. Only fire is called paavaka, i.e. purifier. Not air. Fire is reducer and Air is a spreader. Air fills whatever space it gets access to and spreads material offered in it in all that space. Fire burns and reduces to ashes. Whether you put turmeric powder or sandalwood powder or coconut or wood or something else, fire burns it and reduces it to ashes of a very small size. Though some air may be released in the process, most of material is reduced to ashes by fire. If you offer those materials in air, on the other hand, it just spreads it around and does not *transform* it and *minimize* it. In spiritual sadhana, you want to give up a lot of conditioning covering consciousness and minimize and transform the consciousness. Best regards,Narasimha- Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,"Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings- --- In , "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten wrote:>> Namste Narsimha,> > In addition to this i have one more query.> Why do you say that following method of homam is safer than the pranayam method, after all both have duality in them bcoz if we burn something toxic it produces fire of a different kind in comparison to if we burn sandalwood.> > Kindly explain.> > Regards> Jitender> > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr108@> wrote:> >> > Namaste Jitender,> > > > Well, aakaasa is the most predominant element in universe and then air and then fire. Your friend is correct on that. However, why should that imply that aakaasa and air are better elements for spiritual growth than fire? Why should spiritual importance be decided by numbers and pre-dominance?> > > > There may be only a handful of elevated yogis in the world and millions of greedy people. Should we say that association with greedy people is better for spiritual growth than association with elevated yogis?> > > > Numbers and predominance do not decide what is more useful in spiritual growth!> > > > * * *> > > > Fire is pure. One of the names for fire is paavaka and means "purifier". Fire purifies whatever it comes in contact with.> > > > Air can be pure or impure. If you are able to perceive the underlying Brahman in air, then it is ever pure. But, the problem is that you are not able to perceive the underlying Brahman and you are perceiving a specific object with certain properties in the field of duality. That is why you need to do sadhana in first place.> > > > Then why not use something that has good and purifying properties even in the field of duality? Like fire.> > > > * * *> > > > The method of using the element of aakaasa is jnaana yoga and Vedanta. Aakaasa (ether/space) is an element present in everything and yet imperceptible. Similarly, Brahman is present in every object we perceive and yet we do not perceive Brahman - we only perceive various objects. A vedanti tells oneself that everything is Brahman. Perception of various objects as various objects with properties is an illusion, one keeps telling oneself. One tries to see everything as Brahman.> > > > When one feels attraction or repulsion for something, one reminds oneself "what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no X and Y." When one feels pride or depression, one reminds oneself "what I am doing? All is Brahman. There is no I or others. There is no good or bad." With persistent contemplation and self-control exerted like that for a long time, one finally overcomes the very seed of such thoughts that need to be countered with "everything is Brahman" logoc. One's mind is established in Brahman and one does not perceive objectification. That is moksha.> > > > This path needs tremendous patience, perseverance and discipline. It is not easy.> > > > * * *> > > > Mother willing, Pitri tarpana video may come later.> > > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > -> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,> > "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Spirituality: > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings> > -> > > > --- On Tue, 12/15/09, vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak@> wrote:> > vedic_pathak <vedic_pathak@>> > Re: Fire vs Air> > > > Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 12:50 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pranaam Jiten,> > > > > > > > See the following message which is a good comparision statement for Fire and Air w.r.t. spiritual path.> > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom/message/ 1462> > > > > > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > > > Utpal> > > > > > > > , "dahiyajiten" <dahiyajiten@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Narsimhaji,> > > > > > > > > > From your point of view, homam is the best option for spiritual growth.> > > > > But someone at my workplace told me, if we go on giving weightage to the five elements then 'earth' element is least favourable for, then water ,then fire , then air and then comes akash tattawa for spiritual growth.So, instead of taking the path of fire(homam) we should take path of air(breathing practices).How far is this correct? and if it is true then is there any method of using akash tattwa?> > > > > > > > > > Secondly,do you plan to make a video of pitri tarpana? bcoz i have never seen any body doing tarpana.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > Jitender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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