Veg Vs. Non-Veg

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Namaste,

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.Best

Regards,Sriram

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Namasrte SriRam,

Long back, i had posted the below message on this list.I've put my argument in the message in which i firmly belive.Its possible this may change the mind of your friend.

/message/411

The exact Argument is given again as under which is the extract from the above message:[i couldn¡¦t hold back myself and honestly explained myconclusive view point on the whole subject as follow¡§I don¡¦t wish to stuff my stomach with the body parts of killedcreature. Would never think of troubling any leaving creature whenmother-nature has provided enough alternate food. Just for the sakeof filling my stomach or satisfying cravings of my tongue, I won¡¦t beresponsible for killing innocent birds, animals, fishes directly orindirectly. What right I have, to snatch away even a single life inthe universe for my selfish reasons. I consider that as very verycruel and that is the personal thinking why I am a vegetarian and notstrictly due to any religious or cultural reason¡¨]

Even if Shri Krishna has not mentioned a direct wording of Non-vegetarian food in Geeta, it is not right to take that excuse for slottering creatures.

I ask any body to think for him/her self in the light of what is right and what is not...

Best Regards,

Utpal

 

 

 

 

, Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote:>> Namaste,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. > So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.> He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.> Best Regards,Sriram> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./>

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Dear Sriram,

 

A few points. You said:

 

He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing

 

And then

He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg.

 

 

Krishna does not speak of Jesus/Muhammed or Sai Baba in the Gita. So he is contradicting himself if he says that he only consideres what is mentioned in the Gita as worth discussing.

 

In Chapter 9, Text 26, Krishna says, “If one offers Me with love and devotion a leaf, a flower, fruit or water, I will accept it.†Ask your friend, why does not Krishna mention a non vegitarian food as offering?

 

 

Krishna also talks about satwik food being the best. Ask him to provide examples from the Gita (since your friend consideres it the best) where Krishna says that non - vegetarian food is considered sattwik? If not, and he is still eating it that simply means, like 99.99 percent other non-vegetarians, he is deluding himself with lame excuses. The mind plays tricks on every addict and non-vegetarians eat non veg mainly because they are addicted to the taste of non-vegetarian food. Like smoking, its an addiction. Not easy to get rid off.

 

Speaking about increases sattwa guna, vegetarian food sure does that far better than non-vegetarian food. Aurobindo mentions the same in his own personal observations. He was a non-vegetarian intially.Vegeratian food increases a sense of purity in the body and mind. I had been a hard core non-vegetarian untill a few months backs. Therefore I speak from experience. Veg food surely inculcates a sense of purity in the mind and body, far more than non - vegetarian food. If he contradicts this, ask him to turn veg for 6 months and see for himself. Unless he has tried it, he won't understand.

 

 

Lastly, if he is genuinely interested in his spiritual progress and engages in serious sadhana, it is best to leave non veg food because:

 

1) Non veg can react VERY violently with the system when you engage in serious sadhana. (speaking from practical experience)

 

2) Once a non-vegetarian shifts to vegetarian food, he will lose taste for food. Trust me on this. Therefore eating will become more like brushing your teeth in the morning, a necessary ritual but nothing to look forward to. This in turn helps a LOT to overcome one of the three most powerful enemies IMO - food, sleep, lust. Therefore

if his desperation is genuine for spiritual progress, he should definitely give up non-vegetarian food for good.

 

3) For a non-vegetarian person, giving up non-vegetarian food can act as a test of your will power and discipline which in term helps you that little bit more in your personal sadhana.

 

 

-Regards

Rajarshi

 

 

PS: Never try to argue with a non-vegetarian eater using science based arguments. If a person has inherent spiritual tendencies, he can be changed from a non-veg eater to a veg eater in time, with constant effort. If a person is not spiritual and eats non-veg food, only God can change his/her mind. No amount of arguments will be of any avail in that case because for every argument one gives, a non-veg eater will have a counter argument.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Fri, 11/12/09, Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote:

Astro Seeker <astro.seeker Veg Vs. Non-Veg Date: Friday, 11 December, 2009, 7:04 PM

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

 

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up.

 

So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.

 

He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.

 

Best Regards,

Sriram

 

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Perhaps this site might be of help to you :

 

http://www.newveg.av.org/argument.htm#II1

 

Regards,

 

Sudha--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote:Astro Seeker <astro.seeker Veg Vs. Non-Veg Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 6:34 AM

 

 

Namaste,

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.Best

Regards,Sriram

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Sorry here is the correct website :

http://www.newveg.av.org/argument.htm#II1Regards,Sudha--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Sudha Metllapalli <metllapalli wrote:Sudha Metllapalli <metllapalliRe: Veg Vs. Non-Veg Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:19 AM

 

 

Perhaps this site might be of help to you :

 

http://www.newveg. av.org/argument. htm#II1

 

Regards,

 

Sudha--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Astro Seeker <astro.seeker@ .in> wrote:Astro Seeker <astro.seeker@ .in> Veg Vs. Non-VegFriday, December 11, 2009, 6:34 AM

 

 

Namaste,

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.Best

Regards,Sriram

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kirshna went to hunt deer with ArjunaLord shiva and Arjuna fought to eat a boarradha cooked deer flesh for krishna and arjunavyasa was son of a fishing women and loved to eat fishI saw a indian yogi writing that Jesus was a vegeterianAstro Seeker <astro.seeker Sent: Fri,

December 11, 2009 5:34:13 AM Veg Vs. Non-Veg

 

 

Namaste,

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.Best

Regards,Sriram

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Namaste,

 

Krishna, Shiva, Sain baba and such other beings are considered as Gods and Self

realised being.

 

They can eat *anything*. After complete realisation, differences dont exist for

them. Brutality and compassion, Vegetable and Meat, Southpole and North Pole

etc...dont make sense, But for most of us there is a clear differences.

 

Hence i say that Krishna, Sain Baba, Ramakrsihan and Vivekananda may have had

eaten also meat but it may not be wise to take their example and shut the door

of our own discrimination.

 

Many SAIN Bhaktaas actually take Sain baba's quote as a strong argument and

close their eyes to the killing which goes in eating Meat and fish. Its not

right IMHO.

 

***

Please do not consider my point for Veg/Nonveg with perspective of

Spiritual/Material, Good/Bad, Saatwik/Taamsik etc... My only point in

Vegterianism is related to Compession against cruelty. Dharma (Non Violence)

against Adharama (Killing Innocent creatures).

 

Best Regards,

 

Utpal

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Se Am <mahalaxmyey wrote:

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> kirshna went to hunt deer with Arjuna

> Lord shiva and Arjuna fought to eat a boar

> radha cooked deer flesh for krishna and arjuna

> vyasa was son of a fishing women and loved to eat fish

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> I saw a indian yogi writing that Jesus was a vegeterian

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> Astro Seeker <astro.seeker

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> Fri, December 11, 2009 5:34:13 AM

> Veg Vs. Non-Veg

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> Namaste,

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> >

> >

> >

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> I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle

to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some

spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he

has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on

this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up.

>

> So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He

considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not

spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you

take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can

become vegetarian.

>

> He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If

any of you know the counter argument, please help.

>

> Best Regards,

> Sriram

>

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> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste

Please do not confuse Krishna's upbringing with his meat eating if any. Even if he has eaten, it HAS NOT been Glorified in Scriptures as I have read many times. Krishna is Cowherd by birth and did what is suitable from his karma's stand point. They have eaten at that or particular time but may have given up later from karma standpoint. I do not have right to tell what others should or should not eat. But I defend my argument proudly not hurting any animal except plants. Equating ourselves SELECTIVELY/ GLORIFYING to Krishna's or others eating habits is not appropriate in my view. People do whatever they feel like doing it or bring arguments to consume what they like MOST including myself. But feelings of SO MANY WESTERNERS WHO have become vegetarians is Worth the argument looking into. My freinds have told me, if they have seen how animals are treated or killed 30-40% would not eat meat!, leave alone cheating Farmers

via middle that happens in food process while consuming Dal or meat.

 

If your previous argument, I have seen Vivekananda saying to Indians to Eat to meat to fight against British. What about Chinese Who were invaded by Japanese and other countries innumerbale times who were purely 100% meat eating society. I tell people for those who ask I am small built because I am vegetarian, How about Orientals who main staple is ANY kind of meat be a Dog or chicken ot cat or cockroach or Rat or Beef. Its all genetic and Race I tell them.

People eat whatever they feel like, but if you are not involved killing animal indirect way, there is way a worth the exploring in my view.

 

As Respectfull RajaShri said before, anything in moderation would be not bad ideaa afterall. I am glad that I have very young children, without any peer pressure or societal pressure that most go through, without my insistance Vegetarians by choice. I gave thenm choice, they relented.

 

Thanks

Prasanna--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Se Am <mahalaxmyey wrote:

Se Am <mahalaxmyeyRe: Veg Vs. Non-Veg Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:18 PM

 

 

kirshna went to hunt deer with ArjunaLord shiva and Arjuna fought to eat a boarradha cooked deer flesh for krishna and arjunavyasa was son of a fishing women and loved to eat fishI saw a indian yogi writing that Jesus was a vegeterian

 

 

 

Astro Seeker <astro.seeker@ .in>Fri, December 11, 2009 5:34:13 AM Veg Vs. Non-Veg

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

 

I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up.

 

So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can become vegetarian.

 

He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If any of you know the counter argument, please help.

 

Best Regards,

Sriram

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sriram,

 

Looks like your friend is a big believer in the wisdom of the book. Maybe you

can share with him the wisdom about vegetarianism found in these books!

 

From a religious/spiritual perspective:

Food for the Gods by Rynn Berry

 

Here is a review of the book

http://www.vegsource.com/berry/foodgods.html

 

From a secular/ethical perspective:

Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer

 

Here is the website for the book

http://eatinganimals.com/

 

These are very well researched and documented books and the websites also have

excellent links for your friend to explore.

 

If your friend prefers video to the written material, here is an website to jolt

him to the reality of his choices. BTW, I think this website also might be the

one that the Utpal's German acquaintance might have seen.

 

http://veg-tv.info/Main_Page

 

Sorry, this does not answer your question directly but I hope it helps.

 

best wishes,

Chandraprakash

 

, Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I am a firm believer of Veg being satwik food and consider non-veg as hurdle

to spiritual growth. But, a friend of mine who otherwise is trying to make some

spiritual progress, is a non-vegetatian. In our arguments over non-veg food, he

has put a counter argument. He says that if I can find him a single shloka on

this in Bhagwat Geeta, he would give up. 

> So, if anybody on this group can help me find the quote, it would be great. He

considers Geeta as the absolute reference and believes if Lord Krishna has not

spoken about it in Geeta, it is actually not worth discussing whether or not you

take non-veg. If anyone finds it, le me know so that 1 guy on this earth can

become vegetarian.

> He also quotes Sai Baba, Jesus and Mohammed Prophet adhering to non-veg. If

any of you know the counter argument, please help.

> Best Regards,Sriram

>

>

> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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