Guest guest Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Namaste, > I understand the value of allowing free > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards > the other members of this group. This list is unmoderated. People here are usually gentle, humble, compassionate and unassuming and I never had to moderate. Unfortunately, you are correct and we had a spate of uncivil posts. I will start to warn the offending members and ban them if they continue to offend after being warned. It is unfortunate that people interested in spiritual knowledge should exhibit uncivil behavior in addressing others. However, as more and more people start coming, we can expect such disturbances now and then. I urge members not to be perturbed by new members with an attitude problem, ignore them as best as they can and stick to the subject matter and to continue their activities as usual. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- Aditi Banerjee <banerjeea wrote: > I do not know whether the posts on this group are moderated, but I would > request that posts with this kind of rude and derisive tone not be allowed. > Allowing such threads to continue endlessly will, I'm afraid, deter sincere > people from posting their genuine thoughts and questions on sadhana and > homam out of fear of being derided publicly on the list or out of shyness > since few want to engage in such combative dialogue. There is nothing > productive or remotely spiritual in such discussions when one takes such an > arrogant, combative, and scornful tone in post after post. Too many > groups purportedly about Hinduism / Dharma are full of vitriol, and I have > always found this group to be unique in its collegiality, generosity, and > focus on spiritual development. I would not like to see it get sidetracked > by someone who has an axe to grind. I understand the value of allowing free > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards > the other members of this group. > Warm regards, > Aditi > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:23 PM, yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote: > > > There are many deluded souls like you who believe that > > " Adi Shankaracharya " , " Sri Ramana Maharishi " , " Sri Yukteswar " and > > " Paramhansa Yogananda " didn't achieve Jnana in this Age of Kali Yuga. > > > > What are you doing in a group on Vedic-wisdom, anyways ? > > > > <%40>, > > " sbt_ravi " <sbt_ravi wrote: > > > > > > Thanks and Good riddance. > > > We are not trying to be Jnaanis here as we know in this age of Kali Yuga > > it can not be achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 || OM TAT SAT ||Dear Narasimha,1. Fortunately or unfortunately you have repeatedly broken the decorum yourselves. 2. While it has been told explicitly in a mail addressed to you, that the debate is over as far as you are concerned, you continue to send me mails on the same topic, without any reason whatsoever.3. By virtue of my spending precious time on writing these mails, I have a right to exercise on whom I entertain for further discussion.4. If you are left with even a little respect for the individuality of another person, please ensure that you don't send unsolicited intercepting mails particularly when your name has not been mentioned inside the mail.5. If you are interested in propagating your ideas, take up a new thread, on a part of the mail and invite responses or criticism or what ever you want to.6. You have no right to tell others that they have a limited understanding - as you just did in your mail on Ahamkara = Asmita - till you are an omniscient being yourselves.7. If you tried this sort of a thing again, I will ensure that I don't reply to any of your mails ever again.8. If you don't give space to members, then, as a moderator, you won't ever be able to achieve the "state of discipline and decorum" and "participation of group members" at the same time.9. The only persons whom I consider as "still active in Gyan Marg debate" include:a. Sundeepb. UtpalJic. probably those who have not yet replied.10. As far as a ban or moderation is concerned, there is no dearth of people, nor is it an issue to run a of ones' own. We all know the fate of heavily moderated groups, like "sohamsa".Regards,Nitish , "pvr108" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > > I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > This list is unmoderated. People here are usually gentle, humble, compassionate and unassuming and I never had to moderate. Unfortunately, you are correct and we had a spate of uncivil posts. I will start to warn the offending members and ban them if they continue to offend after being warned.> > It is unfortunate that people interested in spiritual knowledge should exhibit uncivil behavior in addressing others.> > However, as more and more people start coming, we can expect such disturbances now and then. I urge members not to be perturbed by new members with an attitude problem, ignore them as best as they can and stick to the subject matter and to continue their activities as usual.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > ---- Aditi Banerjee banerjeea wrote: > > I do not know whether the posts on this group are moderated, but I would> > request that posts with this kind of rude and derisive tone not be allowed.> > Allowing such threads to continue endlessly will, I'm afraid, deter sincere> > people from posting their genuine thoughts and questions on sadhana and> > homam out of fear of being derided publicly on the list or out of shyness> > since few want to engage in such combative dialogue. There is nothing> > productive or remotely spiritual in such discussions when one takes such an> > arrogant, combative, and scornful tone in post after post. Too many > > groups purportedly about Hinduism / Dharma are full of vitriol, and I have> > always found this group to be unique in its collegiality, generosity, and> > focus on spiritual development. I would not like to see it get sidetracked> > by someone who has an axe to grind. I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > Warm regards,> > Aditi> > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:23 PM, yeeahoo_99 nitish.arya wrote:> > > > > There are many deluded souls like you who believe that> > > "Adi Shankaracharya", "Sri Ramana Maharishi", "Sri Yukteswar" and> > > "Paramhansa Yogananda" didn't achieve Jnana in this Age of Kali Yuga.> > >> > > What are you doing in a group on Vedic-wisdom, anyways ?> > >> > > <%40>,> > > "sbt_ravi" sbt_ravi@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks and Good riddance.> > > > We are not trying to be Jnaanis here as we know in this age of Kali Yuga> > > it can not be achieved.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 You have no right to tell others that they have a limited understanding - as you just did in your mail on Ahamkara = Asmita - till you are an omniscient being yourselves. The person who started with being rude and bad mouthed as a policy with wild and funny statements to the effect of how no body has understood anything, when unable to answer counter questions, is now accusing the moderator when his ideas have been proved inconsistent. A classic case of what in known in Hindi - "Ulta chor kothwal ko daate!". The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 6/10/09, yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote: yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya Re: Please maintain decorum Date: Tuesday, 6 October, 2009, 12:50 PM || OM TAT SAT ||Dear Narasimha, 1. Fortunately or unfortunately you have repeatedly broken the decorum yourselves. 2. While it has been told explicitly in a mail addressed to you, that the debate is over as far as you are concerned, you continue to send me mails on the same topic, without any reason whatsoever. 3. By virtue of my spending precious time on writing these mails, I have a right to exercise on whom I entertain for further discussion. 4. If you are left with even a little respect for the individuality of another person, please ensure that you don't send unsolicited intercepting mails particularly when your name has not been mentioned inside the mail. 5. If you are interested in propagating your ideas, take up a new thread, on a part of the mail and invite responses or criticism or what ever you want to. 6. You have no right to tell others that they have a limited understanding - as you just did in your mail on Ahamkara = Asmita - till you are an omniscient being yourselves. 7. If you tried this sort of a thing again, I will ensure that I don't reply to any of your mails ever again. 8. If you don't give space to members, then, as a moderator, you won't ever be able to achieve the "state of discipline and decorum" and "participation of group members" at the same time. 9. The only persons whom I consider as "still active in Gyan Marg debate" include:a. Sundeepb. UtpalJi c. probably those who have not yet replied. 10. As far as a ban or moderation is concerned, there is no dearth of people, nor is it an issue to run a of ones' own. We all know the fate of heavily moderated groups, like "sohamsa".Regards,Nitish , "pvr108" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > > I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > This list is unmoderated. People here are usually gentle, humble, compassionate and unassuming and I never had to moderate. Unfortunately, you are correct and we had a spate of uncivil posts. I will start to warn the offending members and ban them if they continue to offend after being warned.> > It is unfortunate that people interested in spiritual knowledge should exhibit uncivil behavior in addressing others.> > However, as more and more people start coming, we can expect such disturbances now and then. I urge members not to be perturbed by new members with an attitude problem, ignore them as best as they can and stick to the subject matter and to continue their activities as usual.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > ---- Aditi Banerjee banerjeea@.. . wrote: > > I do not know whether the posts on this group are moderated, but I would> > request that posts with this kind of rude and derisive tone not be allowed.> > Allowing such threads to continue endlessly will, I'm afraid, deter sincere> > people from posting their genuine thoughts and questions on sadhana and> > homam out of fear of being derided publicly on the list or out of shyness> > since few want to engage in such combative dialogue. There is nothing> > productive or remotely spiritual in such discussions when one takes such an> > arrogant, combative, and scornful tone in post after post. Too many > > groups purportedly about Hinduism / Dharma are full of vitriol, and I have> > always found this group to be unique in its collegiality, generosity, and> > focus on spiritual development. I would not like to see it get sidetracked> > by someone who has an axe to grind. I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > Warm regards,> > Aditi> > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:23 PM, yeeahoo_99 nitish.arya@ ... wrote:> > > > > There are many deluded souls like you who believe that> > > "Adi Shankaracharya" , "Sri Ramana Maharishi", "Sri Yukteswar" and> > > "Paramhansa Yogananda" didn't achieve Jnana in this Age of Kali Yuga.> > >> > > What are you doing in a group on Vedic-wisdom, anyways ?> > >> > > <% 40. com>,> > > "sbt_ravi" sbt_ravi@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks and Good riddance.> > > > We are not trying to be Jnaanis here as we know in this age of Kali Yuga> > > it can not be achieved.> Try the new India Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Nitin, I have some comments inline for some of your points. > 2. While it has been told explicitly in a mail addressed to > you, that the debate is over as far as you are concerned, > you continue to send me mails on the same topic, without any > reason whatsoever. > 3. By virtue of my spending precious time on writing these > mails, I have a right to exercise on whom I entertain for further > discussion. Vijay: Nitin, I disagree with your notion of right. When you are writing in a public forum, you are spending your time in doing so willingly, and there are no rights. Also, in a public debate, there is concept of debate getting over for a particular individual. Discussion in a group is not like a private chat room. If you have spent time writing it, other are spending time reading to it. If you see some thing objectionable in what Narasimha writes, you can counter it. But, I do not feel it is correct to says Narasimha, or so and so persons are not allowed in my discussion thread is appropriate as far as policies are concerned. > 4. If you are left with even a little respect for the > individuality of another person, please ensure that you don't send > unsolicited intercepting mails particularly when your name has not been mentioned inside the mail. Vijay: Again, email groups are not one to one communication. If my name is not mentioned, but, by reading it I feel I have a point to share, I always have the liberty to step in write my two cents. If what I am writing is completely irrelavent, then you can be upset. But, the other person may have felt what he wrote to be relavent and may not have intended to disrespect you. > 8. If you don't give space to members, then, as a moderator, > you won't ever be able to achieve the " state of discipline and > decorum " and " participation of group members " at the same time. Vijay: As far I have seen over the last 6 months, members absolutely have the freedome to disagree and debate and question Narasimha (you may want to recall the thread about types of Agni as an example). I had liked the thread so far. Request you to get back into actual discussion at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Namaste Nitish Ji, 2. While it has been told explicitly in a mail addressed to you, that the debate is over as far as you are concerned, you continue to send me mails on the same topic, without any reason whatsoever.I am afraid you missed one important responsibility of Sri Narasimha. Apart from being an individual contributor (in which case, he can choose which mails to respond and which mails to ignore), he is also the owner of the list and has the responsibility to correct a thread if he thinks that the thread is giving wrong concepts / ideas to the group.The discussion might be between a few individuals, but the rest of the group is closely following the thread and absorbing the concepts discussed. Having created a group for imparting / sharing right spiritual knowledge to the needy, how can he choose to ignore a mail, if he thinks it is giving wrong concepts to the group. By remaining silent, would he not be guilty of propagating wrong knowledge through his forum and end up defeating the very purpose for which this group is created ?Actually, every member has right and responsibility to respond to any mail in the group. We all are different stages of spiritual development and learning together. If one thinks something being discussed is wrong, he better bring it up. If he is right, he would have saved the group from the wrong knowledge; if he is wrong, his concepts would get clarified better. Is n't it ?Thanks and Regards,Ramakrishna--- On Tue, 10/6/09, yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya wrote: yeeahoo_99 <nitish.arya Re: Please maintain decorum Date: Tuesday, October 6, 2009, 12:50 PM || OM TAT SAT ||Dear Narasimha, 1. Fortunately or unfortunately you have repeatedly broken the decorum yourselves. 2. While it has been told explicitly in a mail addressed to you, that the debate is over as far as you are concerned, you continue to send me mails on the same topic, without any reason whatsoever. 3. By virtue of my spending precious time on writing these mails, I have a right to exercise on whom I entertain for further discussion. 4. If you are left with even a little respect for the individuality of another person, please ensure that you don't send unsolicited intercepting mails particularly when your name has not been mentioned inside the mail. 5. If you are interested in propagating your ideas, take up a new thread, on a part of the mail and invite responses or criticism or what ever you want to. 6. You have no right to tell others that they have a limited understanding - as you just did in your mail on Ahamkara = Asmita - till you are an omniscient being yourselves. 7. If you tried this sort of a thing again, I will ensure that I don't reply to any of your mails ever again. 8. If you don't give space to members, then, as a moderator, you won't ever be able to achieve the "state of discipline and decorum" and "participation of group members" at the same time. 9. The only persons whom I consider as "still active in Gyan Marg debate" include:a. Sundeepb. UtpalJi c. probably those who have not yet replied. 10. As far as a ban or moderation is concerned, there is no dearth of people, nor is it an issue to run a of ones' own. We all know the fate of heavily moderated groups, like "sohamsa".Regards,Nitish , "pvr108" <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > > I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > This list is unmoderated. People here are usually gentle, humble, compassionate and unassuming and I never had to moderate. Unfortunately, you are correct and we had a spate of uncivil posts. I will start to warn the offending members and ban them if they continue to offend after being warned.> > It is unfortunate that people interested in spiritual knowledge should exhibit uncivil behavior in addressing others.> > However, as more and more people start coming, we can expect such disturbances now and then. I urge members not to be perturbed by new members with an attitude problem, ignore them as best as they can and stick to the subject matter and to continue their activities as usual.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > ---- Aditi Banerjee banerjeea@.. . wrote: > > I do not know whether the posts on this group are moderated, but I would> > request that posts with this kind of rude and derisive tone not be allowed.> > Allowing such threads to continue endlessly will, I'm afraid, deter sincere> > people from posting their genuine thoughts and questions on sadhana and> > homam out of fear of being derided publicly on the list or out of shyness> > since few want to engage in such combative dialogue. There is nothing> > productive or remotely spiritual in such discussions when one takes such an> > arrogant, combative, and scornful tone in post after post. Too many > > groups purportedly about Hinduism / Dharma are full of vitriol, and I have> > always found this group to be unique in its collegiality, generosity, and> > focus on spiritual development. I would not like to see it get sidetracked> > by someone who has an axe to grind. I understand the value of allowing free> > speech, etc., but I think this has gone beyond the pale now. This is not a> > matter of a few stray posts, but of one person who has made a habit and> > pattern, day after day after day, of being rude and disrespectful towards> > the other members of this group.> > Warm regards,> > Aditi> > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:23 PM, yeeahoo_99 nitish.arya@ ... wrote:> > > > > There are many deluded souls like you who believe that> > > "Adi Shankaracharya" , "Sri Ramana Maharishi", "Sri Yukteswar" and> > > "Paramhansa Yogananda" didn't achieve Jnana in this Age of Kali Yuga.> > >> > > What are you doing in a group on Vedic-wisdom, anyways ?> > >> > > <% 40. com>,> > > "sbt_ravi" sbt_ravi@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Thanks and Good riddance.> > > > We are not trying to be Jnaanis here as we know in this age of Kali Yuga> > > it can not be achieved.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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