Guest guest Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Namaste, > I'm sharing this email only with you. In case you forward > it to the group, please remove my personal details. I am sending it to the group by removing your personal references, as several other people may be in the same situation sooner or later. * * * Points 1 and 2 could be either meaningful or just simple coincidences. Points 3 and 4 are possible if there is some flow of vaayus in some nadis, to cleanse the nadis. These really sound like premonitory signs before certain experiences. However, if one read about certain visions or experiences in the past and has those desires/memories stored in conscious or sub-conscious mind, then also it is possible to experience similar things. If they are hallucinations, they do not help in your spiritual progress. If they are not hallucinations, they should slowly bring some internal transformation. If you see your pride and sense of self-importance go down slowly, if you see your internal reactions to praises and criticism from people start to become more moderated and balanced, if you see your weaknesses such as lust, anger, jealosy etc becoming smaller etc, then you know that you are on the right track. That alone is the measure of progress. * * * Irresepctive of whether these are hallucinations or genuine experiences, the key thing is: do not get attracted and get stuck. Suppose one is driving on a road going to the top of a mountain. Suppose the scenery at some spot is very beautiful. If one is mesmerized by the scenery and stops there, one will never get to the top. However beautiful the scenery may be, it is just a distraction from the final target. Observe the beautiful scenery that comes before your eyes, but do not develop any attachment with it. It is particularly undesirable to develop an egoistic attachment, e.g. the sense that " I experienced this. I have achieved something. I am worthy. " Just observe whatever is thrown at you and continue the journey. Do not be attracted to an experience and do not view an experience as either desirable or undesirable. If it comes, let it come. Still focus on the mantra. * * * If we put a spark in wet grass, it will take a long time to catch fire. If we put a spark in dry grass, it will catch fire quickly. Similarly, some people will start to experience something quickly when they start a powerful purifying sadhana such as homam. Some people will take longer. Some people may not observe the scenery on the side of the road and keep just looking at the road and suddenly reach the top oneday. Some people may notice all the scenery on the roadside, i.e. observe various experiences. Your path and progress will be decided based on your karmas and vasanas, but it pays to know what the final target is and not be distracted by anything. Your body is not the real you. Even the subtle body you may have visualized is not the real you. Even the divine light you saw at heart is not the real you. None of what you saw is the real you. The real you is the all-encompassing light apart from which nothing exists. When you are established in the real Self, there is no concept of I, my body, my heart, he, she, you, we, this, that etc. Until that I is discovered, one keeps walking the path. But what you described sounds good and you seem to be making progress. Good. Keep your focus and do not be distracted though. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Namaste Narasimhaji, It has just been about a month since I've started doing Ganapati homam. I'm having some very good experiences after I've started doing Ganapati homam. However, I'm not sure if these are my hallucinations. I wanted to share the same with you and understand if there are any stages of experiences (I would think the final one would be seeing the almighty Ganapati deva). Please share your thoughts on the same. I'm sharing this email only with you. In case you forward it to the group, please remove my personal details. Following are my experiences: 1. I've been receiving indications from the almighty Ganapati deva from time to time on my day-to-day activities where some decisions are involved and where I ask the lord to guide me. 2. I've literally experienced the " leela " of deva - I'll narrate one instance (there are quite a number of them). I'd to catch a luxury bus at 8:00 pm one day and all buses were running full till 9:30 pm (for two travel companies). I'd an option to go ahead and check for other travel companies but I felt as if the lord instructed me to go to a certain place and try for one specific 8 pm bus which as per my knowledge was already full. I went there and they offered me a seat near the driver and I was ok to sit there - but the driver asked me to wait for 10 min as it was very hot inside (till the bus leaves). I waited and went to grab a cup of tea. When I came back, I was told that the seat near the driver is gone and now I'm left with a spot near the bus door. In this seat, I certainly cannot afford to take a nap. I told in my mind - " O Lord - I'm so tired " . Now typically, I'd loose my temper and shout at that guy. However, I felt some energy which is > holding my temper. I felt I would burst at the driver but my anger did not come out (even I was wondering why). In next 2 min, the same guy came back to me and told me that one of the seats have been cancelled by some other passenger who did not turn up and asked me to move inside the bus. I was so thrilled and had no words to thank the lord. I was able to have a very good nap - thanks to the " leela of the lord " . 3. While meditating after the homam, I've started experiencing some sort of divine light. I was thinking this was my hallucination earlier. But I'm unable to experience this without the homam. Earlier I used to see a yellowish light (not the normal yellow that we generally see - but I know this is a divine one) which used to come and go - and give me a feel that I'm traversing thru a forest at a very high speed. I started seeing some other colors as well. In addition to this, yesterday I saw a divine violet/purple color which was so pleasing - I can say I've never experienced like this before. The light started small and then it grew big. And when all this went off and I opened my eyes, I saw that the external fire was also off. I do try sometimes to medidate without the homam, but I dont get such experiences. Is there any way you would suggest? 4. In one instance during meditation, I saw my body which looked very differently. And there was a divine yellow light within my body near my heart. Could this be the internal fire? Frankly, I dont have words to describe all of these. Irrespective of whether this a hallucination or the journey towards God, I'm so grateful to you for leading us towards this journey. May the Lord Ganapati shower his blessings on you. Warm Regards <deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2009 Report Share Posted September 27, 2009 Pranam Narsimha ji, i had started with homam practices on akshaya tritiya this year. in the beginning i was at sea because there was a mental block against rituals. but the way u have been descibing these practices, how they are symbolic of a much deeper meaning, how it is a cleansing process, how we are strengthening our bhooth agni, etc., etc. i have become more regular with this practice. if i miss it on a particular day i feel a crying need to to it the following day. i must admit i have experimented with many practices...have had several gurus... sometimes i feel totally like wet grass which is so difficult to ignite....but the resolve is there that to be ignited is the most important thing of our existence on this bhoo plane. now i have started to feel that everything is with a purpose... we just have to be conscious of this. when u told me to start with ganapati worship even though i was naturally drawn to shiva, i think it was with a purpose. i could relate these things to my chart...but that is not so important...and as u have mentioned, astrology has its limitations. over the last few months i have become very conscious of my limitations. Earlier, and to some extent even now, these limitations sucked me down...made me feel low...frozen in thought...but i hope as i gain greater strength within i will learn how to overcome these feelings and become more free...of energies that pull me down... at present chanting works for me better than meditation. i sometimes get emotional during chanting and tears start flowing. there are many blocks that perhaps need to dissolve... there is a certain relationship that has started building with ganapati and with fire. i feel happy to light the lamp and take the fire from it to the homam...to light the agarbattis ...to hear a certain roaring sound that develops if the fire is strong...to hear the fire crackle....and leap up... a few times it has happened that the fire has gone out...but i try not to get disturbed because of this...and light it again. i also feel that each and every part of the coconut should burn completely...though i dont want to be obsessed by this... little by little i feel i am beginning to see a little bit of lali mere lal ki...jit dekhun tit laal... thank you! , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > > I'm sharing this email only with you. In case you forward > > it to the group, please remove my personal details. > > I am sending it to the group by removing your personal references, as several other people may be in the same situation sooner or later. > > * * * > > Points 1 and 2 could be either meaningful or just simple coincidences. Points 3 and 4 are possible if there is some flow of vaayus in some nadis, to cleanse the nadis. These really sound like premonitory signs before certain experiences. > > However, if one read about certain visions or experiences in the past and has those desires/memories stored in conscious or sub-conscious mind, then also it is possible to experience similar things. > > If they are hallucinations, they do not help in your spiritual progress. If they are not hallucinations, they should slowly bring some internal transformation. If you see your pride and sense of self-importance go down slowly, if you see your internal reactions to praises and criticism from people start to become more moderated and balanced, if you see your weaknesses such as lust, anger, jealosy etc becoming smaller etc, then you know that you are on the right track. That alone is the measure of progress. > > * * * > > Irresepctive of whether these are hallucinations or genuine experiences, the key thing is: do not get attracted and get stuck. Suppose one is driving on a road going to the top of a mountain. Suppose the scenery at some spot is very beautiful. If one is mesmerized by the scenery and stops there, one will never get to the top. However beautiful the scenery may be, it is just a distraction from the final target. Observe the beautiful scenery that comes before your eyes, but do not develop any attachment with it. It is particularly undesirable to develop an egoistic attachment, e.g. the sense that " I experienced this. I have achieved something. I am worthy. " Just observe whatever is thrown at you and continue the journey. > > Do not be attracted to an experience and do not view an experience as either desirable or undesirable. If it comes, let it come. Still focus on the mantra. > > * * * > > If we put a spark in wet grass, it will take a long time to catch fire. If we put a spark in dry grass, it will catch fire quickly. Similarly, some people will start to experience something quickly when they start a powerful purifying sadhana such as homam. Some people will take longer. Some people may not observe the scenery on the side of the road and keep just looking at the road and suddenly reach the top oneday. Some people may notice all the scenery on the roadside, i.e. observe various experiences. Your path and progress will be decided based on your karmas and vasanas, but it pays to know what the final target is and not be distracted by anything. > > Your body is not the real you. Even the subtle body you may have visualized is not the real you. Even the divine light you saw at heart is not the real you. None of what you saw is the real you. The real you is the all-encompassing light apart from which nothing exists. When you are established in the real Self, there is no concept of I, my body, my heart, he, she, you, we, this, that etc. Until that I is discovered, one keeps walking the path. > > But what you described sounds good and you seem to be making progress. Good. Keep your focus and do not be distracted though. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > Namaste Narasimhaji, > > It has just been about a month since I've started doing Ganapati homam. I'm having some very good experiences after I've started doing Ganapati homam. However, I'm not sure if these are my hallucinations. I wanted to share the same with you and understand if there are any stages of experiences (I would think the final one would be seeing the almighty Ganapati deva). Please share your thoughts on the same. > > I'm sharing this email only with you. In case you forward it to the group, please remove my personal details. > > Following are my experiences: > 1. I've been receiving indications from the almighty Ganapati deva from time to time on my day-to-day activities where some decisions are involved and where I ask the lord to guide me. > > 2. I've literally experienced the " leela " of deva - I'll narrate one instance (there are quite a number of them). I'd to catch a luxury bus at 8:00 pm one day and all buses were running full till 9:30 pm (for two travel companies). I'd an option to go ahead and check for other travel companies but I felt as if the lord instructed me to go to a certain place and try for one specific 8 pm bus which as per my knowledge was already full. I went there and they offered me a seat near the driver and I was ok to sit there - but the driver asked me to wait for 10 min as it was very hot inside (till the bus leaves). I waited and went to grab a cup of tea. When I came back, I was told that the seat near the driver is gone and now I'm left with a spot near the bus door. In this seat, I certainly cannot afford to take a nap. I told in my mind - " O Lord - I'm so tired " . Now typically, I'd loose my temper and shout at that guy. However, I felt some energy which is > > holding my temper. I felt I would burst at the driver but my anger did not come out (even I was wondering why). In next 2 min, the same guy came back to me and told me that one of the seats have been cancelled by some other passenger who did not turn up and asked me to move inside the bus. I was so thrilled and had no words to thank the lord. I was able to have a very good nap - thanks to the " leela of the lord " . > > 3. While meditating after the homam, I've started experiencing some sort of divine light. I was thinking this was my hallucination earlier. But I'm unable to experience this without the homam. Earlier I used to see a yellowish light (not the normal yellow that we generally see - but I know this is a divine one) which used to come and go - and give me a feel that I'm traversing thru a forest at a very high speed. I started seeing some other colors as well. In addition to this, yesterday I saw a divine violet/purple color which was so pleasing - I can say I've never experienced like this before. The light started small and then it grew big. And when all this went off and I opened my eyes, I saw that the external fire was also off. I do try sometimes to medidate without the homam, but I dont get such experiences. Is there any way you would suggest? > > 4. In one instance during meditation, I saw my body which looked very differently. And there was a divine yellow light within my body near my heart. Could this be the internal fire? > > Frankly, I dont have words to describe all of these. > > Irrespective of whether this a hallucination or the journey towards God, I'm so grateful to you for leading us towards this journey. May the Lord Ganapati shower his blessings on you. > > Warm Regards > <deleted> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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