Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Respected members. First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. This is my first question here.Here it is. I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " For instance: Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? Warm regards Armando Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.G.Balasubramaniangigarm2003 <gigarm2003 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PMSubject: Suffix ye or yei Respected members. First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. This is my first question here.Here it is. I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity "yei" and some other times for the same mantra is "ye" For instance: Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha I read an explanation saying that the end "yei" was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? Warm regards Armando Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? Thanks Armando , G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > G.Balasubramanian > > > ________________________________ > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > Suffix ye or yei > > > Respected members. > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > This is my first question here.Here it is. > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > For instance: > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > Warm regards > Armando > Italy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 For male gods it will end with "aaya" or "ye". For female gods it will end with "i".Example OM Shivaya Namah, OM Ramaya Namah, OM Krishnaya namah etc.OM Gowryai namah, Om lakshmyai namah, Om Durgayai namah etc. etc.gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:39:53 PM Re: Suffix ye or yei Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? Thanks Armando , G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > G.Balasubramanian > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@ ...> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > Suffix ye or yei > > > Respected members. > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > This is my first question here.Here it is. > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity "yei" and some other times for the same mantra is "ye" > For instance: > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > I read an explanation saying that the end "yei" was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > Warm regards > Armando > Italy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Namaste, I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . e.g. raama -> raamaaya kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya shiva -> shivaaya Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye hari -> haraye Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . e.g. guru -> gurave viShNu -> viShNave Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . ramaa -> ramaayai durgaa -> durgaayai shivaa -> shivaayai Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . gourI -> gouryai lakShmI -> lakShmyai paarvatI -> paarvatyai Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote: > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? > > Thanks > Armando > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote: > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > ________________________________ > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > > Suffix ye or yei > > > > > > Respected members. > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > > This is my first question here.Here it is. > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > > For instance: > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > > > Warm regards > > Armando > > Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini shakti... Please tell me if it's right or not.. One more thing. Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch), according to the vedic tradition. In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I don't know who is reliable. Thank you for you answers and your precious time Armando Italy , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . > e.g. raama -> raamaaya > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya > shiva -> shivaaya > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye > hari -> haraye > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . > e.g. guru -> gurave > viShNu -> viShNave > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . > ramaa -> ramaayai > durgaa -> durgaayai > shivaa -> shivaayai > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . > gourI -> gouryai > lakShmI -> lakShmyai > paarvatI -> paarvatyai > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote: > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? > > > > Thanks > > Armando > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> > > > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > > > Suffix ye or yei > > > > > > > > > Respected members. > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > > > This is my first question here.Here it is. > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > > > For instance: > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > > > > > Warm regards > > > Armando > > > Italy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Namaste, Yes, ye vs yai is just grammar. Unfortunately, many books and websites have gross typos. Some basic knowledge of Sanskrit is useful to filter things. The book " Mantra Mahodadhi " is a good source for various mantras. BTW, tonight is Krishna Janmashtami, birth night of Lord Krishna. This is a great time to pray to Krishna. Some mantras to Krishna can be found in the " Sri Krishna Homam " manual at the homam website. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003 Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:24 PM Re: Suffix ye or yei > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini > shakti... > > Please tell me if it's right or not.. > One more thing. > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who > speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about > this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in > touch), according to the vedic tradition. > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been > the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and > so on. I don't know who is reliable. > > Thank you for you answers and your precious time > > Armando > Italy > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: >> >> Namaste, >> >> I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. >> >> Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . >> e.g. raama -> raamaaya >> kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya >> shiva -> shivaaya >> >> Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . >> e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye >> hari -> haraye >> >> Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . >> e.g. guru -> gurave >> viShNu -> viShNave >> >> Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . >> ramaa -> ramaayai >> durgaa -> durgaayai >> shivaa -> shivaayai >> >> Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . >> gourI -> gouryai >> lakShmI -> lakShmyai >> paarvatI -> paarvatyai >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote: >> > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? >> > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain >> > cases ? >> > >> > Thanks >> > Armando >> > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: >> > > >> > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. >> > > G.Balasubramanian >> > > >> > > >> > > ________________________________ >> > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> >> > > >> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM >> > > Suffix ye or yei >> > > >> > > >> > > Respected members. >> > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of >> > > the matters discussed in this group. >> > > This is my first question here.Here it is. >> > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the >> > > word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same >> > > mantra is " ye " >> > > For instance: >> > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or >> > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha >> > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the >> > > kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting >> > > mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? >> > > >> > > Warm regards >> > > Armando >> > > Italy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Namaste, Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit. Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to use chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti. For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:, Vishnave Nama: When it becomes a mantra, 1. It has to start with Om 2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n. Hence the mantra is 1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: " 2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come anywhere.) 3. " Om Vishnave Nama: " 4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: " The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made Siddha. There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story says that, Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to repeat it continuously. You know the rest of the story. The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a committed number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable of the mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely. I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for a non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and " Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " . In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can understand why I say that it is difficult to explain. regards, Jagmohan , " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003 wrote: > > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini shakti... > > Please tell me if it's right or not.. > One more thing. > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch), according to the vedic tradition. > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I don't know who is reliable. > > Thank you for you answers and your precious time > > Armando > Italy > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . > > e.g. raama -> raamaaya > > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya > > shiva -> shivaaya > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . > > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye > > hari -> haraye > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . > > e.g. guru -> gurave > > viShNu -> viShNave > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . > > ramaa -> ramaayai > > durgaa -> durgaayai > > shivaa -> shivaayai > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . > > gourI -> gouryai > > lakShmI -> lakShmyai > > paarvatI -> paarvatyai > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote: > > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? > > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Armando > > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > > > > Suffix ye or yei > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members. > > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > > > > This is my first question here.Here it is. > > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > > > > For instance: > > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > > > > > > > Warm regards > > > > Armando > > > > Italy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Namaste! Thanks for your illuminating mail. " The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana " . Have to keep reminding myself of this...even though the path ahead seems so difficult and joyless at times. Best wishes , " Jagmohan Nanaware " <jagmohan_nanaware wrote: > > Namaste, > > Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit. > Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > > For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to use chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti. > For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye > For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei > For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay > For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave > > So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:, Vishnave Nama: > > When it becomes a mantra, > 1. It has to start with Om > 2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n. > > Hence the mantra is > 1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: " > 2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come anywhere.) > 3. " Om Vishnave Nama: " > 4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: " > > The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made Siddha. There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story says that, Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to repeat it continuously. You know the rest of the story. > > The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a committed number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable of the mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely. > > I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for a non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and " Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " . In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can understand why I say that it is difficult to explain. > > regards, > > Jagmohan > > , " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003@> wrote: > > > > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini shakti... > > > > Please tell me if it's right or not.. > > One more thing. > > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch), according to the vedic tradition. > > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I don't know who is reliable. > > > > Thank you for you answers and your precious time > > > > Armando > > Italy > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . > > > e.g. raama -> raamaaya > > > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya > > > shiva -> shivaaya > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . > > > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye > > > hari -> haraye > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . > > > e.g. guru -> gurave > > > viShNu -> viShNave > > > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . > > > ramaa -> ramaayai > > > durgaa -> durgaayai > > > shivaa -> shivaayai > > > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . > > > gourI -> gouryai > > > lakShmI -> lakShmyai > > > paarvatI -> paarvatyai > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > Spirituality: > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote: > > > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? > > > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Armando > > > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > > > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > > > > > Suffix ye or yei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members. > > > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > > > > > This is my first question here.Here it is. > > > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > > > > > For instance: > > > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > > > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > > > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards > > > > > Armando > > > > > Italy > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Namaste! Dhanyawaad! The path can be difficult. However, it just appears joyless. The idea of Sadhana is to make is joyful beyond anything that we have ever enjoyed. That is what makes it difficult. That is my personal experience too. Many a times, I start Sadhana for any reason that comes out of my grief, sorrow, fear, anger etc. Initially I find it helping and cosoling till I am out of this negative emotions. Slowly then I see that my emotions move towards feeling overproud about doing Sadhana and then losing interest and hence feeling bored or forced by my pride to do it. But that is not what Sadhana is. Many Sant have said that, the mahima of Mantra or Naam is such that, one feels doing it again and again. That is where I see my failure as Sadhak. I have never experienced it this way. They say that you need Gurukripa for that. Doing it without joy is like Hath Yoga. It will still give the result gradually but definitely. Namaskar, Jagmohan , " vinita kumar " <vini takuma wrote: > > Namaste! > > Thanks for your illuminating mail. > > " The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana " . > > Have to keep reminding myself of this...even though the path ahead seems so difficult and joyless at times. > > Best wishes > > > , " Jagmohan Nanaware " <jagmohan_nanaware@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > > Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit. > > Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > > Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit. > > > > For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to use chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti. > > For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye > > For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei > > For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay > > For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave > > > > So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:, Vishnave Nama: > > > > When it becomes a mantra, > > 1. It has to start with Om > > 2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n. > > > > Hence the mantra is > > 1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: " > > 2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come anywhere.) > > 3. " Om Vishnave Nama: " > > 4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: " > > > > The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made Siddha. There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story says that, Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to repeat it continuously. You know the rest of the story. > > > > The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a committed number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable of the mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely. > > > > I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for a non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and " Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " . In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can understand why I say that it is difficult to explain. > > > > regards, > > > > Jagmohan > > > > , " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003@> wrote: > > > > > > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini shakti... > > > > > > Please tell me if it's right or not.. > > > One more thing. > > > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch), according to the vedic tradition. > > > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I don't know who is reliable. > > > > > > Thank you for you answers and your precious time > > > > > > Armando > > > Italy > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms. > > > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " . > > > > e.g. raama -> raamaaya > > > > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya > > > > shiva -> shivaaya > > > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " . > > > > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye > > > > hari -> haraye > > > > > > > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " . > > > > e.g. guru -> gurave > > > > viShNu -> viShNave > > > > > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " . > > > > ramaa -> ramaayai > > > > durgaa -> durgaayai > > > > shivaa -> shivaayai > > > > > > > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " . > > > > gourI -> gouryai > > > > lakShmI -> lakShmyai > > > > paarvatI -> paarvatyai > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote: > > > > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite? > > > > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Armando > > > > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct. > > > > > > G.Balasubramanian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM > > > > > > Suffix ye or yei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members. > > > > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group. > > > > > > This is my first question here.Here it is. > > > > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye " > > > > > > For instance: > > > > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or > > > > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha > > > > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant? > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm regards > > > > > > Armando > > > > > > Italy > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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