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Respected members.

First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters

discussed in this group.

This is my first question here.Here it is.

I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related

to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

For instance:

Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini

shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong?

What is the right way to chant?

 

Warm regards

Armando

Italy

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GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.G.Balasubramaniangigarm2003 <gigarm2003 Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PMSubject:

Suffix ye or yei

 

 

Respected members.

First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group.

This is my first question here.Here it is.

I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity "yei" and some other times for the same mantra is "ye"

For instance:

Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

I read an explanation saying that the end "yei" was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

 

Warm regards

Armando

Italy

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Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ?

 

Thanks

Armando

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

> ________________________________

> gigarm2003 <gigarm2003

>

> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> Suffix ye or yei

>

>

> Respected members.

> First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the

matters discussed in this group.

> This is my first question here.Here it is.

> I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related

to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

> For instance:

> Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini

shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong?

What is the right way to chant?

>

> Warm regards

> Armando

> Italy

>

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For male gods it will end with "aaya" or "ye". For female gods it will end with "i".Example OM Shivaya Namah, OM Ramaya Namah, OM Krishnaya namah etc.OM Gowryai namah, Om lakshmyai namah, Om Durgayai namah etc. etc.gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 Sent: Wednesday, August

12, 2009 3:39:53 PM Re: Suffix ye or yei

 

 

Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ?

 

Thanks

Armando

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> Suffix ye or yei

>

>

> Respected members.

> First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the matters discussed in this group.

> This is my first question here.Here it is.

> I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word related to the divinity "yei" and some other times for the same mantra is "ye"

> For instance:

> Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> I read an explanation saying that the end "yei" was to arise the kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

>

> Warm regards

> Armando

> Italy

>

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Namaste,

 

I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

 

Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

e.g. raama -> raamaaya

kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

shiva -> shivaaya

 

Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

hari -> haraye

 

Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

e.g. guru -> gurave

viShNu -> viShNave

 

Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

ramaa -> ramaayai

durgaa -> durgaayai

shivaa -> shivaayai

 

Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

gourI -> gouryai

lakShmI -> lakShmyai

paarvatI -> paarvatyai

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote:

> Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

> I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ?

>

> Thanks

> Armando

> , G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

> >

> > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> > G.Balasubramanian

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003

> >

> > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> > Suffix ye or yei

> >

> >

> > Respected members.

> > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the

matters discussed in this group.

> > This is my first question here.Here it is.

> > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word

related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

> > For instance:

> > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini

shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong?

What is the right way to chant?

> >

> > Warm regards

> > Armando

> > Italy

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From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini

shakti...

 

Please tell me if it's right or not..

One more thing.

Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who speaks

only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this Sacred

knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch), according to

the vedic tradition.

In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the

pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I

don't know who is reliable.

 

Thank you for you answers and your precious time

 

Armando

Italy

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

>

> Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

> e.g. raama -> raamaaya

> kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

> shiva -> shivaaya

>

> Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

> e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

> hari -> haraye

>

> Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

> e.g. guru -> gurave

> viShNu -> viShNave

>

> Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

> ramaa -> ramaayai

> durgaa -> durgaayai

> shivaa -> shivaayai

>

> Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

> gourI -> gouryai

> lakShmI -> lakShmyai

> paarvatI -> paarvatyai

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote:

> > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

> > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Armando

> > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

> > >

> > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> > > G.Balasubramanian

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@>

> > >

> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> > > Suffix ye or yei

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected members.

> > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the

matters discussed in this group.

> > > This is my first question here.Here it is.

> > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word

related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

> > > For instance:

> > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the kundalini

shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am I wrong?

What is the right way to chant?

> > >

> > > Warm regards

> > > Armando

> > > Italy

>

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Namaste,

 

Yes, ye vs yai is just grammar.

 

Unfortunately, many books and websites have gross typos. Some basic

knowledge of Sanskrit is useful to filter things.

 

The book " Mantra Mahodadhi " is a good source for various mantras.

 

BTW, tonight is Krishna Janmashtami, birth night of Lord Krishna. This is a

great time to pray to Krishna. Some mantras to Krishna can be found in the

" Sri Krishna Homam " manual at the homam website.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

-

" gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003

 

Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:24 PM

Re: Suffix ye or yei

 

 

> From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini

> shakti...

>

> Please tell me if it's right or not..

> One more thing.

> Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who

> speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about

> this Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in

> touch), according to the vedic tradition.

> In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been

> the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and

> so on. I don't know who is reliable.

>

> Thank you for you answers and your precious time

>

> Armando

> Italy

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>>

>> Namaste,

>>

>> I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

>>

>> Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

>> e.g. raama -> raamaaya

>> kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

>> shiva -> shivaaya

>>

>> Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

>> e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

>> hari -> haraye

>>

>> Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

>> e.g. guru -> gurave

>> viShNu -> viShNave

>>

>> Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

>> ramaa -> ramaayai

>> durgaa -> durgaayai

>> shivaa -> shivaayai

>>

>> Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

>> gourI -> gouryai

>> lakShmI -> lakShmyai

>> paarvatI -> paarvatyai

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Narasimha

>>

>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

>> Spirituality:

>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>>

>>

>> ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003 wrote:

>> > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

>> > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain

>> > cases ?

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> > Armando

>> > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

>> > >

>> > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

>> > > G.Balasubramanian

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > ________________________________

>> > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@>

>> > >

>> > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

>> > > Suffix ye or yei

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Respected members.

>> > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of

>> > > the matters discussed in this group.

>> > > This is my first question here.Here it is.

>> > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the

>> > > word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same

>> > > mantra is " ye "

>> > > For instance:

>> > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

>> > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

>> > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the

>> > > kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting

>> > > mantra. Am I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

>> > >

>> > > Warm regards

>> > > Armando

>> > > Italy

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Namaste,

 

Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit.

Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

 

For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to use

chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti.

For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye

For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei

For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay

For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave

 

So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:,

Vishnave Nama:

 

When it becomes a mantra,

1. It has to start with Om

2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n.

 

Hence the mantra is

1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: "

2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come

anywhere.)

3. " Om Vishnave Nama: "

4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: "

 

The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made Siddha.

There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story says that,

Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to repeat it

continuously. You know the rest of the story.

 

The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a committed

number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable of the

mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely.

 

I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for a

non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain

it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and

" Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " .

In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in

the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can

understand why I say that it is difficult to explain.

 

regards,

 

Jagmohan

 

, " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003 wrote:

>

> From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini

shakti...

>

> Please tell me if it's right or not..

> One more thing.

> Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who

speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this

Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch),

according to the vedic tradition.

> In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been the

pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so on. I

don't know who is reliable.

>

> Thank you for you answers and your precious time

>

> Armando

> Italy

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

> >

> > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

> > e.g. raama -> raamaaya

> > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

> > shiva -> shivaaya

> >

> > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

> > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

> > hari -> haraye

> >

> > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

> > e.g. guru -> gurave

> > viShNu -> viShNave

> >

> > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

> > ramaa -> ramaayai

> > durgaa -> durgaayai

> > shivaa -> shivaayai

> >

> > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

> > gourI -> gouryai

> > lakShmI -> lakShmyai

> > paarvatI -> paarvatyai

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> >

> > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote:

> > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

> > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain cases

?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Armando

> > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> > > > G.Balasubramanian

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> > > > Suffix ye or yei

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected members.

> > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of the

matters discussed in this group.

> > > > This is my first question here.Here it is.

> > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word

related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

> > > > For instance:

> > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the

kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am

I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards

> > > > Armando

> > > > Italy

> >

>

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Namaste!

 

Thanks for your illuminating mail.

 

" The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana " .

 

Have to keep reminding myself of this...even though the path ahead seems so

difficult and joyless at times.

 

Best wishes

 

 

, " Jagmohan Nanaware " <jagmohan_nanaware

wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

> Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit.

> Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

> Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

>

> For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to

use chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti.

> For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye

> For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei

> For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay

> For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave

>

> So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:,

Vishnave Nama:

>

> When it becomes a mantra,

> 1. It has to start with Om

> 2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n.

>

> Hence the mantra is

> 1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: "

> 2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come

anywhere.)

> 3. " Om Vishnave Nama: "

> 4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: "

>

> The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made Siddha.

There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story says that,

Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to repeat it

continuously. You know the rest of the story.

>

> The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a

committed number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable

of the mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely.

>

> I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for a

non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain

it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and

" Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " .

In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in

the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can

understand why I say that it is difficult to explain.

>

> regards,

>

> Jagmohan

>

> , " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003@> wrote:

> >

> > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini

shakti...

> >

> > Please tell me if it's right or not..

> > One more thing.

> > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who

speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this

Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch),

according to the vedic tradition.

> > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been

the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so

on. I don't know who is reliable.

> >

> > Thank you for you answers and your precious time

> >

> > Armando

> > Italy

> > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

> > >

> > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

> > > e.g. raama -> raamaaya

> > > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

> > > shiva -> shivaaya

> > >

> > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

> > > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

> > > hari -> haraye

> > >

> > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

> > > e.g. guru -> gurave

> > > viShNu -> viShNave

> > >

> > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

> > > ramaa -> ramaayai

> > > durgaa -> durgaayai

> > > shivaa -> shivaayai

> > >

> > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

> > > gourI -> gouryai

> > > lakShmI -> lakShmyai

> > > paarvatI -> paarvatyai

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > Spirituality:

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >

> > >

> > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote:

> > > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

> > > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain

cases ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Armando

> > > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> > > > > G.Balasubramanian

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> > > > > Suffix ye or yei

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected members.

> > > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of

the matters discussed in this group.

> > > > > This is my first question here.Here it is.

> > > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the word

related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is " ye "

> > > > > For instance:

> > > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> > > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> > > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the

kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am

I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > Armando

> > > > > Italy

> > >

> >

>

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Namaste!

 

Dhanyawaad!

 

The path can be difficult. However, it just appears joyless. The idea of Sadhana

is to make is joyful beyond anything that we have ever enjoyed. That is what

makes it difficult.

 

That is my personal experience too. Many a times, I start Sadhana for any reason

that comes out of my grief, sorrow, fear, anger etc. Initially I find it helping

and cosoling till I am out of this negative emotions. Slowly then I see that my

emotions move towards feeling overproud about doing Sadhana and then losing

interest and hence feeling bored or forced by my pride to do it. But that is not

what Sadhana is. Many Sant have said that, the mahima of Mantra or Naam is such

that, one feels doing it again and again. That is where I see my failure as

Sadhak. I have never experienced it this way. They say that you need Gurukripa

for that.

 

Doing it without joy is like Hath Yoga. It will still give the result gradually

but definitely.

 

Namaskar,

 

Jagmohan

 

 

 

, " vinita kumar " <vini takuma wrote:

>

> Namaste!

>

> Thanks for your illuminating mail.

>

> " The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana " .

>

> Have to keep reminding myself of this...even though the path ahead seems so

difficult and joyless at times.

>

> Best wishes

>

>

> , " Jagmohan Nanaware " <jagmohan_nanaware@>

wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > Ganapati is 'ee'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

> > Devi is ee'karant stiling (feminine) word in Sanskrit.

> > Shiv is 'a'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

> > Visnhu is 'u'karant pulling (masculine) word in Sanskrit.

> >

> > For any action, in sanskrit, the object to which it is meant for you have to

use chaturthi ekvachan (singular) vibhakti.

> > For 'ee'karant masculine, it is 'ye' Hence, Ganapataye

> > For 'ee'karant feminine, it is 'vyei' Hence, Devyei

> > For 'a'karant masculine, it is 'aay' Hence, Shivaay

> > For 'u'karant masculine, it is 've' Hence Vishnave

> >

> > So the Sanskrit sentence is Ganapataye Nama:, Devyei Nama:, Shivaay Nama:,

Vishnave Nama:

> >

> > When it becomes a mantra,

> > 1. It has to start with Om

> > 2. In addition it can have a 'bijakshar' such as G^n.

> >

> > Hence the mantra is

> > 1. " Om G^n Ganapataye Nama: "

> > 2. " Om Nama: Shivaay " (Bijakshar is not needed. In Sanskrit verb can come

anywhere.)

> > 3. " Om Vishnave Nama: "

> > 4. " Om Devyei Nama: " Or " Om Namo Devyei Mahadevyei Shivayei Satatam Nama: "

> >

> > The importance of Mantra is in Sadhana. Every Mantra needs to be made

Siddha. There are methods for doing this. The examples are well known. Story

says that, Devarshi Narad gave mantra to Valya Koli - " Mara " and asked him to

repeat it continuously. You know the rest of the story.

> >

> > The simple method to make a mantra siddha is to repeat it daily for a

committed number of times with full dedication to the meaning of each syllable

of the mantra. The effect is seen gradually but definitely.

> >

> > I am sorry, I always found it difficult to set the pronounciations right for

a non Indian language speaking person. Sometimes even it is difficult to explain

it to an Indian language speaking person. For example - In " Shivaay Nama: " and

" Nama: Shivaay " , there is a subtle difference in the pronounciation of " Nama: " .

In the first one " ha " of the visarga " : " is to be pronounced completely while in

the second one it is to be pronounced like a swar " : " (no " ha " ). Now you can

understand why I say that it is difficult to explain.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Jagmohan

> >

> > , " gigarm2003 " <gigarm2003@> wrote:

> > >

> > > From your answers seams that " yei " or " ye " has not to do with kundalini

shakti...

> > >

> > > Please tell me if it's right or not..

> > > One more thing.

> > > Could you please suggest me a sure reference, accessible for someone who

speaks only english (don't understand sanskrit..) to learn more about this

Sacred knowledge of Mantras (books or maybe a teacher to get in touch),

according to the vedic tradition.

> > > In the West certain knowledge is given from people claiming they have been

the pupil of a certain guru or they studied in India for several years and so

on. I don't know who is reliable.

> > >

> > > Thank you for you answers and your precious time

> > >

> > > Armando

> > > Italy

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I will give some simple rules for the chaturthi vibhakti forms.

> > > >

> > > > Masculine gender words ending with " a " get " aaya " .

> > > > e.g. raama -> raamaaya

> > > > kR^iShNa -> kR^iShNaaya

> > > > shiva -> shivaaya

> > > >

> > > > Masculine gender words ending with " i " get " aye " .

> > > > e.g. gaNapati -> gaNapataye

> > > > hari -> haraye

> > > >

> > > > Masculine gender words ending with " u " get " ave " .

> > > > e.g. guru -> gurave

> > > > viShNu -> viShNave

> > > >

> > > > Feminine gender words ending with " aa " get " aayai " .

> > > > ramaa -> ramaayai

> > > > durgaa -> durgaayai

> > > > shivaa -> shivaayai

> > > >

> > > > Feminine gender words ending with " I " get " yai " .

> > > > gourI -> gouryai

> > > > lakShmI -> lakShmyai

> > > > paarvatI -> paarvatyai

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > > > Spirituality:

> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---- gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@> wrote:

> > > > > Does it means one in a way and the other the opposite?

> > > > > I just took two examples...Is it like this always or only in certain

cases ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Armando

> > > > > , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > GUM GANAPATAYE NAMAH is correct and OM DURGAYAI NAMAH is correct.

> > > > > > G.Balasubramanian

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > gigarm2003 <gigarm2003@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:15:04 PM

> > > > > > Suffix ye or yei

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected members.

> > > > > > First of all I wish to express my appreciation for the high level of

the matters discussed in this group.

> > > > > > This is my first question here.Here it is.

> > > > > > I noticed that Mantras sometimes are written with the end of the

word related to the divinity " yei " and some other times for the same mantra is

" ye "

> > > > > > For instance:

> > > > > > Om Gum Ganapatayei namaha instead of Om Gum Ganapataye namaha, or

> > > > > > Om Dum Durgayei namaha instead of Om Dum Durgaye namaha

> > > > > > I read an explanation saying that the end " yei " was to arise the

kundalini shakti, so I thought that this is the best way of chanting mantra. Am

I wrong? What is the right way to chant?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Warm regards

> > > > > > Armando

> > > > > > Italy

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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