Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

[Guest guest]

Namaste Friends,

 

wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also the

Eclipse which round the orner.

 

quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final

offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and

not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am

doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it

helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

 

jst thought of sharing with you all.

 

Best Regards,

 

Utpal

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra" Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate". Simply because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti. Already our

purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan). Some of them are also blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.G.Balasubramanianutpal pathak <vedic_pathak Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

 

 

Namaste Friends,

 

wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also the Eclipse which round the orner.

 

quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

 

jst thought of sharing with you all.

 

Best Regards,

 

Utpal

[Guest guest]

Namaste Balasubramanian ji,

 

Thank you for your straight forward response.

 

>>>Simply because half coconut burns faster than full coconut,<<<

 

I humbly wish to point out here that Half coconut is not substituted

because it burns faster. it is substituted because the fire in a small Homa

kundam can overwhelm it and burning is complete most of the times. as the fire

is relatively much smaller and weaker in tiny Homa kundam used by many of us in

our regular homas, a full coconut (dry one off course) Purnaahuti has all the

chance of extinguishing it.

 

It is my strong faith that in this yuga (or mayone be in any yuga), Bhakti and

Bhavana in rituals are much much more important than following the instructions

literally prescribed for rituals. That is not to discount on the methods,

materials and other things but we can certainly compromise those if our Bhavana

and bhakti is strong.

 

To clarify further, I’ll provide some examples-

 

* if one is run out of Flowers and could not get it on some day, one can offer

'Akshataas' to the deity by making Bhavana and requesting the deity to accept it

as flowers.

 

* As Narasimha has mentioned so many times in his Homa manuals such things.

- wear Pavitra (Ring) of Darbha, if not then wear any ring, if that is not

available then continue without it.

 

Finally, Purnaahuti is symbolical of our ego as we all know. The coconut offered

in any Homa represents head of the Sadhaka. it in its essence means Ego,

Intelligence, pride, attachments etc...,

 

I wish to humbly ask a question to you here. Due to serious constraint(s), if

some one is not able to offer full coconut as Purnaahuti, then can he not offer

Half coconut or even a piece of coconut making a 'Bhavana' that it is his/her

head which is offered and request the deity in the fire to accept it? What will

be wrong in that and how it can be a big mistake even if that differs slightly

at gross level from the prescription of Shastras?

 

Thanks again for your post.

 

Best Regards,

 

Utpal

 

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to

be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra " Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat

Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate " . Simply

because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can

not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti.

Already our purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the

prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan).Some of them are also

blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating

flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or

blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite

from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> utpal pathak <vedic_pathak

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM

> Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

>

>

> Namaste Friends,

>

> wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also

the Eclipse which round the orner.

>

> quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final

offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and

not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am

doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it

helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

>

> jst thought of sharing with you all.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

The Veda mantra quoted by Sri Balasubramanian ( " pUrNamadaH pUrNamidam " ) is

saying that all is the Infinite Brahman. It is saying that Brahman is Complete

and also this Creation is Complete. Though the Creation has come from Brahman,

still both Brahman AND the manifested Creation are Complete by themselves! In

other words, Creation exists within Brahman as a potentiality and Brahman exists

within Creation as the Indestructible essence.

 

If one really understands what the verse is saying, the discussion of " complete "

coconut and " half " coconut is a moot point. The same " Complete " Brahman exists

within a giant planet and within an atom too. And, of course, within a full

coconut, half coconut and even a small coconut piece!

 

* * *

 

However, such an understanding is not natural to our minds in their conditioned

state. The rituals we perform and the sadhana we do are aimed at removing the

mental conditioning and make such an understanding natural to our minds. Thus,

rituals employ tools that put some useful ideas in our minds.

 

Whatever you offer as poornaahuti in a homam, the key is to imagine it as your

head or ego and surrender to the deity completely. Immediately after the

poornaahuti, go to meditation with as deep a sense of surrender as possible for

you. THAT is the key. If putting a full coconut or another full fruit makes such

a visualization easier AND if it is practical in your situation, go for it. If

not, offer whatever you can (half coconut, a small coconut piece, a small

banana, a date, a raisin or whatever) and do your best to maximize the sense of

surrender.

 

* * *

 

> a full coconut (dry one off course) Purnaahuti

 

Utpal, apart from a full dry coconut, one can even offer a normal full coconut,

i.e. one with a shell and with water inside. While a full dry coconut is highly

combustible and symbolic of the ego of an advanced yogi, a normal coconut is far

more difficult to burn and a better symbol of the ego of a normal person. If one

has a big homa kundam and a big fire with enough wood, one can burn a regular

full coconut too. One can also offer other fruits such as bananas.

 

However, one has to do the best one can, in one's practical situation. If one is

doing in a closed room (e.g. apartment) with a small homa kundam and a small

fire, one has to choose materials that minimize the smoke.

 

* * *

 

Rishis are compassionate. They never said so and so thing is unavoidable. They

knew that procedures are only symbols for internal changes. Procedures are not

absolute and what they symbolize are absolute. Same internal changes can be

achieved with different procedures, based on desa, kaala and paatra. So rishis

always gave many options.

 

Instead of not doing something because you are missing one ingredient, it is

better to do something with the available ingredients. If one does a homam and

offers a half coconut or even a dry coconut piece as poornaahuti, it is

perfectly fine. As I said before, work on the mental part of it for the best

results.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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---- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Namaste Balasubramanian ji,

>

> Thank you for your straight forward response.

>

> >>>Simply because half coconut burns faster than full coconut,<<<

>

> I humbly wish to point out here that Half coconut is not substituted

> because it burns faster. it is substituted because the fire in a small Homa

kundam can overwhelm it and burning is complete most of the times. as the fire

is relatively much smaller and weaker in tiny Homa kundam used by many of us in

our regular homas, a full coconut (dry one off course) Purnaahuti has all the

chance of extinguishing it.

>

> It is my strong faith that in this yuga (or mayone be in any yuga), Bhakti and

Bhavana in rituals are much much more important than following the instructions

literally prescribed for rituals. That is not to discount on the methods,

materials and other things but we can certainly compromise those if our Bhavana

and bhakti is strong.

>

> To clarify further, Iâ??ll provide some examples-

>

> * if one is run out of Flowers and could not get it on some day, one can offer

'Akshataas' to the deity by making Bhavana and requesting the deity to accept it

as flowers.

>

> * As Narasimha has mentioned so many times in his Homa manuals such things.

> - wear Pavitra (Ring) of Darbha, if not then wear any ring, if that is

not available then continue without it.

>

> Finally, Purnaahuti is symbolical of our ego as we all know. The coconut

offered in any Homa represents head of the Sadhaka. it in its essence means Ego,

Intelligence, pride, attachments etc...,

>

> I wish to humbly ask a question to you here. Due to serious constraint(s), if

some one is not able to offer full coconut as Purnaahuti, then can he not offer

Half coconut or even a piece of coconut making a 'Bhavana' that it is his/her

head which is offered and request the deity in the fire to accept it? What will

be wrong in that and how it can be a big mistake even if that differs slightly

at gross level from the prescription of Shastras?

>

> Thanks again for your post.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

> , G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to

be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra " Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat

Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate " . Simply

because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can

not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti.

Already our purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the

prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan).Some of them are also

blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating

flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or

blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite

from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.

> > G.Balasubramanian

> >

> > ________________________________

> > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak

> >

> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM

> > Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

> >

> > Namaste Friends,

> >

> > wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also

the Eclipse which round the orner.

> >

> > quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final

offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and

not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am

doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it

helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

> >

> > jst thought of sharing with you all.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Utpal

[Guest guest]

Balasubramanyam ji

 

I do understand the spirit in which you are suggesting the below , definetly

giving higher value to the well laid rules of the rishis is a nice suggestion.

 

But given the progress of Kali and its effects.

 

1.Most food including Milk nowadays is contaminated with Pesticides.Thanks to

the hybrid culture propagated by the big genetic seed companies...No food on

earth is left untainted.

 

So should such food be offered to god.Should we altogether give up offering food

>

 

2.The water that comes from the tap in the US is heavily contaminated with heavy

metals, lead , chlorine and what not....filtered water is striped of its natural

healing properties...

 

So should we use such a water in Pitri Tarapana..Kalasha etc etc...

 

 

3. Fire should not be lit with Matches according to Vedic homa rules , it must

only be lit with Samidhas and that too with a elaborate procedure....

 

So should we stop using matches untill we attain perfection with the

procedure...

 

 

 

When the whole world is under the effect of Kali yuga it is but a part of nature

that impurities will creep into all the materials that are offered to god.

 

 

 

Same goes for the search for the perfect ingredients..

Same goes for the search for the perfect guru who can be followed..

Same goes for the search for the perfect muhurta....

Same goes for the search for the perfect astrological remedy.....

 

What is visible to the naked eye is 10% whereas the invisible is 90% ...so what

is to guarantee that any of those calculations will work.

 

Does not Krishna say in the 9th chapter Verse 26 of the gita...he is easily

pleased with a offering of a flower , leaf ,fruit done with the purest of

intentions.

 

 

I strongly beleive it is much better to do homa with complete surrender to the

divine and he/she will absolve us of the lapses committed conscious or

unconscious.

 

 

 

 

RamKishore

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to

be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra " Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat

Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate " . Simply

because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can

not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti.

Already our purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the

prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan).Some of them are also

blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating

flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or

blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite

from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> utpal pathak <vedic_pathak

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM

> Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

>

>

> Namaste Friends,

>

> wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also

the Eclipse which round the orner.

>

> quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final

offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and

not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am

doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it

helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

>

> jst thought of sharing with you all.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

[Guest guest]

Ramkishoreji,It appears you have not seen my subsequent postings on this subject. Performing a Homa at home is unavoidabel during Sraddha ceremony in which coconut is not offered for Poornahuti. In respect of other homams which are optional a person is going to spend quite a good amount on the homam and I do not think he will grudge the cost of half a coconut. In India no coconut costs more than Rs. 20. On this point we may not continue the discussion.G.Balasubramanianvemparlaramkishore <vemparlaramkishore Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:03:36 PM Re: Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

 

 

Balasubramanyam ji

 

I do understand the spirit in which you are suggesting the below , definetly giving higher value to the well laid rules of the rishis is a nice suggestion.

 

But given the progress of Kali and its effects.

 

1.Most food including Milk nowadays is contaminated with Pesticides.Thanks to the hybrid culture propagated by the big genetic seed companies... No food on earth is left untainted.

 

So should such food be offered to god.Should we altogether give up offering food >

 

2.The water that comes from the tap in the US is heavily contaminated with heavy metals, lead , chlorine and what not....filtered water is striped of its natural healing properties.. .

 

So should we use such a water in Pitri Tarapana..Kalasha etc etc...

 

3. Fire should not be lit with Matches according to Vedic homa rules , it must only be lit with Samidhas and that too with a elaborate procedure... .

 

So should we stop using matches untill we attain perfection with the procedure...

 

When the whole world is under the effect of Kali yuga it is but a part of nature that impurities will creep into all the materials that are offered to god.

 

Same goes for the search for the perfect ingredients. .

Same goes for the search for the perfect guru who can be followed..

Same goes for the search for the perfect muhurta....

Same goes for the search for the perfect astrological remedy.....

 

What is visible to the naked eye is 10% whereas the invisible is 90% ...so what is to guarantee that any of those calculations will work.

 

Does not Krishna say in the 9th chapter Verse 26 of the gita...he is easily pleased with a offering of a flower , leaf ,fruit done with the purest of intentions.

 

I strongly beleive it is much better to do homa with complete surrender to the divine and he/she will absolve us of the lapses committed conscious or unconscious.

 

RamKishore

 

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra" Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate ". Simply because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti. Already our purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan).Some of them are also blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...>

>

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM

> Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

>

>

> Namaste Friends,

>

> wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also the Eclipse which round the orner.

>

> quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

>

> jst thought of sharing with you all.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

[Guest guest]

Balasubramanian Ji

 

I might have missed the subsequent posting .So kindly disregard the previous

posting.

 

Ajit Krishnan Ji

 

I cannot thank you enough for refreshing my memory about Mahaswamigal's book . I

remember reading it a long time ago , it is truly a gem of a book.

 

Regards

RamKishore

 

 

 

 

, G Balasubramanian <gbsub wrote:

>

> Ramkishoreji,

> It appears you have not seen my subsequent postings on this subject.

Performing a Homa at home is unavoidabel during Sraddha ceremony in which

coconut is not offered for Poornahuti. In respect of other homams which are

optional a person is going to spend quite a good amount on the homam and I do

not think he will grudge the cost of half a coconut. In India no coconut costs

more than Rs. 20. On this point we may not continue the discussion.

> G.Balasubramanian

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> vemparlaramkishore <vemparlaramkishore

>

> Thursday, August 6, 2009 9:03:36 PM

> Re: Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

>

>

> Balasubramanyam ji

>

> I do understand the spirit in which you are suggesting the below , definetly

giving higher value to the well laid rules of the rishis is a nice suggestion.

>

> But given the progress of Kali and its effects.

>

> 1.Most food including Milk nowadays is contaminated with Pesticides.Thanks to

the hybrid culture propagated by the big genetic seed companies... No food on

earth is left untainted.

>

> So should such food be offered to god.Should we altogether give up offering

food >

>

> 2.The water that comes from the tap in the US is heavily contaminated with

heavy metals, lead , chlorine and what not....filtered water is striped of its

natural healing properties.. .

>

> So should we use such a water in Pitri Tarapana..Kalasha etc etc...

>

> 3. Fire should not be lit with Matches according to Vedic homa rules , it must

only be lit with Samidhas and that too with a elaborate procedure... .

>

> So should we stop using matches untill we attain perfection with the

procedure...

>

> When the whole world is under the effect of Kali yuga it is but a part of

nature that impurities will creep into all the materials that are offered to

god.

>

> Same goes for the search for the perfect ingredients. .

> Same goes for the search for the perfect guru who can be followed..

> Same goes for the search for the perfect muhurta....

> Same goes for the search for the perfect astrological remedy.....

>

> What is visible to the naked eye is 10% whereas the invisible is 90% ...so

what is to guarantee that any of those calculations will work.

>

> Does not Krishna say in the 9th chapter Verse 26 of the gita...he is easily

pleased with a offering of a flower , leaf ,fruit done with the purest of

intentions.

>

> I strongly beleive it is much better to do homa with complete surrender to the

divine and he/she will absolve us of the lapses committed conscious or

unconscious.

>

> RamKishore

>

> , G Balasubramanian <gbsub@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > At the time of Poorna Ahuti, a full coconut(poorna phalam) is required to

be offered by chanting the Vedic Mantra " Poornamadah Poornamidam Poornaat

Poornamudatchyate Poornasya Poornamaadaaya Poornamevaasishyate " . Simply

because half coconut burns faster than full coconut, in my humble opinion we can

not substtute a full coconut with a broken half of coconut in Poorna Ahuti.

Already our purohits are using camphor for lighting Agni. This is not the

prescribed method of generating fire for Homam( Havan).Some of them are also

blowing fire with a gush of wind from their mouth for the purpose of creating

flame instead of using hand fan or by blowing through a cylindrcal pipe or

blowing through Dharba grass. My appeal to learned people is let us not devite

from the procedures and dos and donts handed over to us by Rishis.

> > G.Balasubramanian

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...>

> >

> > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:43:12 PM

> > Purnaahuti of Coconut Half - a quick suggetion !

> >

> >

> > Namaste Friends,

> >

> > wish you all a happy Raksha Bandhan - Naliyeri (Coconut) Purnima ! and also

the Eclipse which round the orner.

> >

> > quickly wish to point out that if a Coconut half used as Purnaahuti (Final

offering symbolic of ego) is placed like a CAP (white portion remains inside and

not visible), it burns *very* brilliantly and the burning is *COMPLETE*. i am

doing this for a week and observed that not only the purnaahuti ofering, it

helps in complete burning of everything in the Havan Kunda.

> >

> > jst thought of sharing with you all.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

>