Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Om Brihaspataye Namah Dear Narasimhaji and members, Namaste and Hare Krishna Recently I was chatting to someone online that mentioned indrajal. I gathered from our chat that it was something to do with black magic. When I got home today, I asked my grandmother and she refused to tell me what it was. I googled it and came across as it being a book of tantra dealing with the darker aspects- potential to damage others. On one of the books, there is a picture of Ma Kali. And one shop that sells it online mentions Das MahaVidya. So my question is, if all these mantras that exist that can harm other people, who empowers these mantras? I really find it hard to believe that Ma will give power to people to harm others. I do know from Vedic stories about devas granting boons to demons, for example- Hiranyakashipu's story. But, considering we are in Kali Yuga, does this still happen? People are more likely to die from AIDS, cancer etc, so whats the big deal with black magic? Is this just childish superstition or all part of a larger work of karma? Sorry for the questions, its just been annoying me at the back of my mind. Jaya Sita Raama Bivash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Bivash I had similar doubts previously but after reading Aghora at the left hand of god , those doubts were cleared. Please take the below only as something that has been gathered from books and so that the nagging question in your mind is laid to rest.Learned members can kindly correct if any mistakes are done in intrepretation. Often this question can also take the form of " Why should god have an ugra roopa....should not god always be calm patient...loving " Whether that is the case or is it a case of the observer attributing these qualities to god is a also a valid question. Often appearances are deceptive. 1.Tantra has six rites of destruction as well ( Marana , Ucchatana,Vidveshana...etc etc ) . Also tantra has abhichara prayogas to cause the destruction of enemies. Two instances where it has been mentioned in the classics is 2.Meghanada the son of Ravana begins an Abhichara homa which if completed would have made him invincible.Lord Hanuman and Lakshmana stop the homa before it is completed and slay Meghanada. 3.Sudakshina son of Vasudeva of Kasi ( Vasudeva is killed by Krishna in the battle of Kasi) does an Abhichara and sends an fiend to attack Krishna in Dwaraka. Krishna repels the Fiend and with any Abhichara when repelled it will turn against the one who has intiated it. Kasi is burnt down and this is mentioned as the incident of Kasi burnt by Krishna. The six destructive rites are only to be used for specific purposes relating to war , these are not rites for ordinary human beings. They carry terrible terrible consequences. Left hand tantra ( Please note Left hand is not used in any derogatory sense) contains similar other practises as well.... Take for example : Vashikarana...and Bali The rite itself has many variations and many purposes. Used on a lower level it is used to control others to do your bidding...Used on a higher level it can attract a bhairavi ...whom if you have the right attitude you can accept as a mother and learn a lot from. Vimalananda has also clarified the use of Bali. In the pure sense the surrender of ego....But he has also clarified the use of pashu bali..... Kamakhya one of the most sacred Pithas of the Goddess does an yearly bali of goats....Yet it is said to be one of the most peaceful places on earth to meditate . Only goats with special markings on their bodies are used....when the priest does the bali he is directly sending them to the abode of kali..In a way it is a boon for the being in the body of the goat.It will surely come back as a human being. Just like a forest fire appears destructive on the surface ....but it is a proven scientific fact that the growth of trees is highest after a forest fire occurs . Tantra especially the Left hand kind is not for the faint of heart...nor is it for the timid in mind. Vimalananda in the very beginning had to do a shava sadhana before he could have a vision of his most compassionate Smashana Tara. It is a very powerful path with rapid progress but the pitfalls are many without the guidance of a Sadhguru...probably the reason Tantra was heavily put down later in the later period when most traditions got distorted. My Two Cents Ram Kishore , " Bivash Ramroop " <bivaash108 wrote: > > Om Brihaspataye Namah > > Dear Narasimhaji and members, > Namaste and Hare Krishna > > Recently I was chatting to someone online that mentioned indrajal. I gathered from our chat that it was something to do with black magic. > > When I got home today, I asked my grandmother and she refused to tell me what it was. I googled it and came across as it being a book of tantra dealing with the darker aspects- potential to damage others. > > On one of the books, there is a picture of Ma Kali. And one shop that sells it online mentions Das MahaVidya. > > So my question is, if all these mantras that exist that can harm other people, who empowers these mantras? I really find it hard to believe that Ma will give power to people to harm others. > > I do know from Vedic stories about devas granting boons to demons, for example- Hiranyakashipu's story. But, considering we are in Kali Yuga, does this still happen? People are more likely to die from AIDS, cancer etc, so whats the big deal with black magic? Is this just childish superstition or all part of a larger work of karma? > > Sorry for the questions, its just been annoying me at the back of my mind. > > Jaya Sita Raama > Bivash > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Namaste! This is a vaste and confusing area for a layperson. The three words that struck me in the mail were " Abhichara " , " Vashikarna " and " Bali " and their importance in certain practices. Though i have yet to google the latter two terms to understand more about them, the following link gives an interesting write-up on " Abhichara " : http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en & q=ABHICHARA & btnG=Google+Search & meta= & rlz=1W\ 1ADBF_en & aq=f & oq= Thoughts do have energy. That is why if we think good of a person, the good comes to him and vice-versa. Maybe " abhichara " could be the same process made more potent when encapsulated in a mantra or tantra practices. One of my encounters with black magic has been in the context of " nazar utarna " . There is a practice in northern India (maybe there is a similar variant in south india too), of dispelling the effect of " an evil eye " on people. Infants probably are more prone to this. I remember my aunt doing the practice of " nazar utarna " ...taking off the effect of the evil eye...through a certain ritual. It was done with " rie " and " noon " ...mustard seeds and salt. She could make out when the eye was cast by the way the eyelashes of the infant curled up. Then after performing a small practice the effect of the evil eye could be neutralised. I dont exactly recall the practice but when i watched her doing it one day i was truly amazed how the ingredients caught fire. Long years back i also recall how my mother engaged the services of an " ojha " / excorcist (?) to make my brother recover from jaundice. We were not allowed to watch this but i am told that the man chanted some mantras while performing some rituals using water. The colour of water turned yellow. My brother too recovered. Maybe it was only a belief. But once again the amazing thing was that the water turned yellow. Though such things are indeed fascinating i bellieve we should not engage in them for two reasons....they are for short term gains and secondly these practices could be dangerous. But then the question arises...are not all practices for gains (it could be spiritual gains too)??? Maybe practices are required to get us THERE? / make us understand that we were always THERE? THERE being WHERE, in the words of Shankaracharya, there is: " Na Punyam Na Papam Na Saukhyam Na Dukham Na Mantro Na Teertham Na Vedo Na Yajnaha Aham Bhojanam Naiva Bhojyam Na Bhokta Chidananda Rupa Shivoham Shivoham " What is the best way to get there remains for each one of us to explore and find out....over lifetimes... Best wishes to all of us on this journey to know that we were always at the destination........ , " vemparlaramkishore " <vemparlaramkishore wrote: > > Bivash > > I had similar doubts previously but after reading Aghora at the left hand of god , those doubts were cleared. Please take the below only as something that has been gathered from books and so that the nagging question in your mind is laid to rest.Learned members can kindly correct if any mistakes are done in intrepretation. > > Often this question can also take the form of " Why should god have an ugra roopa....should not god always be calm patient...loving " > > Whether that is the case or is it a case of the observer attributing these qualities to god is a also a valid question. Often appearances are deceptive. > > 1.Tantra has six rites of destruction as well ( Marana , Ucchatana,Vidveshana...etc etc ) . Also tantra has abhichara prayogas to cause the destruction of enemies. > > Two instances where it has been mentioned in the classics is > > 2.Meghanada the son of Ravana begins an Abhichara homa which if completed would have made him invincible.Lord Hanuman and Lakshmana stop the homa before it is completed and slay Meghanada. > > 3.Sudakshina son of Vasudeva of Kasi ( Vasudeva is killed by Krishna in the battle of Kasi) does an Abhichara and sends an fiend to attack Krishna in Dwaraka. Krishna repels the Fiend and with any Abhichara when repelled it will turn against the one who has intiated it. Kasi is burnt down and this is mentioned as the incident of Kasi burnt by Krishna. > > > The six destructive rites are only to be used for specific purposes relating to war , these are not rites for ordinary human beings. They carry terrible terrible consequences. > > Left hand tantra ( Please note Left hand is not used in any derogatory sense) contains similar other practises as well.... > > Take for example : Vashikarana...and Bali > > The rite itself has many variations and many purposes. Used on a lower level it is used to control others to do your bidding...Used on a higher level it can attract a bhairavi ...whom if you have the right attitude you can accept as a mother and learn a lot from. > > > Vimalananda has also clarified the use of Bali. In the pure sense the surrender of ego....But he has also clarified the use of pashu bali..... > > Kamakhya one of the most sacred Pithas of the Goddess does an yearly bali of goats....Yet it is said to be one of the most peaceful places on earth to meditate . Only goats with special markings on their bodies are used....when the priest does the bali he is directly sending them to the abode of kali..In a way it is a boon for the being in the body of the goat.It will surely come back as a human being. > > > > Just like a forest fire appears destructive on the surface ....but it is a proven scientific fact that the growth of trees is highest after a forest fire occurs . > > > Tantra especially the Left hand kind is not for the faint of heart...nor is it for the timid in mind. Vimalananda in the very beginning had to do a shava sadhana before he could have a vision of his most compassionate Smashana Tara. > > > It is a very powerful path with rapid progress but the pitfalls are many without the guidance of a Sadhguru...probably the reason Tantra was heavily put down later in the later period when most traditions got distorted. > > > My Two Cents > > Ram Kishore > > > > > , " Bivash Ramroop " <bivaash108@> wrote: > > > > Om Brihaspataye Namah > > > > Dear Narasimhaji and members, > > Namaste and Hare Krishna > > > > Recently I was chatting to someone online that mentioned indrajal. I gathered from our chat that it was something to do with black magic. > > > > When I got home today, I asked my grandmother and she refused to tell me what it was. I googled it and came across as it being a book of tantra dealing with the darker aspects- potential to damage others. > > > > On one of the books, there is a picture of Ma Kali. And one shop that sells it online mentions Das MahaVidya. > > > > So my question is, if all these mantras that exist that can harm other people, who empowers these mantras? I really find it hard to believe that Ma will give power to people to harm others. > > > > I do know from Vedic stories about devas granting boons to demons, for example- Hiranyakashipu's story. But, considering we are in Kali Yuga, does this still happen? People are more likely to die from AIDS, cancer etc, so whats the big deal with black magic? Is this just childish superstition or all part of a larger work of karma? > > > > Sorry for the questions, its just been annoying me at the back of my mind. > > > > Jaya Sita Raama > > Bivash > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Sorry, the link i wanted to post on abhichara is as follows: http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KlbriuzshRsC & pg=PA103 & lpg=PA103 & dq=ABHICHARA & \ source=bl & ots=kBZvAnvREc & sig=7MXob_zPS0Rul8JvoFV_uXk4xDA & hl=en & ei=tPZzSvW3M6aK6A\ Om8cDCCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=9#v=onepage & q=ABHICHARA & f=false--- In , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: > > Sorry, the link i wanted to post on abhichara is as follows: > > > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=KlbriuzshRsC & pg=PA103 & lpg=PA103 & dq=ABHICHARA & \ source=bl & ots=kBZvAnvREc & sig=7MXob_zPS0Rul8JvoFV_uXk4xDA & hl=en & ei=tPZzSvW3M6aK6A\ Om8cDCCw & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=9#v=onepage & q=ABHICHARA & f=false--- In , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> wrote: > I want to state my experience regarding this. I live in Kolkata and there is a place 35 kms from here named chinsurah.There is a lady living there who is a devotee of Krishna in the form of Gopala.She has some inborn talents.Jut by hearing ones name she gives an accurate description of the natives way to home his present and future.She needs no horoscope no imprints of hand and nether to see the native also.Just a work of sheer intuition.She studied no books knows no rituals but method of every ritual just comes to her mind.Very few peole know this trait of her.She detests popularity.I hd seen her working against black magic.She says these thngs must never be done to harm or destroy anything if so the load of Karma is too heavy to bear.for instance a married lady wanted to leave her husband and daughter for her lover and she came to this lady for help.This lady told me see if i allowed her to leave the family will go to waste.this is not fair and on other hand i cant reject a needy person too so she did some kind of vsikaran to bind the lady to her family informng hertht this will speed up her leaving process.She told me that that after this kriya the lady is unable to leave her daughter and husband and go away to her lover.A POSITIVE EFFECT OF VASHIKARAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Namaste, It is all a matter of shakti. If one controls mind for enough time and resists all impulses, one can do unbelievable things. However, if shakti accumulated by controlling the mind for many years is wasted on a silly impulse, that will be foolish. Bottomline is this: Most people who can still perform black magic in today's times are small sadhakas with very low amount of shakti and hence very little capability. More advanced sadhakas who have accumulated a lot of shakti also know its value and do not waste it on useless things. Remember one basic fact. Selfish actions with heavy self-identification bring heavy karma to bear in future. Selfless actions still containing self-identification (i.e. you are not doing for yourself and doing for your guru or king or country etc, but still have an idea that " *I* am doing this " ) also bring karma, though a bit lighter, to bear in future. Only actions with zero self-identification bring no karma. If one completely overcomes self-identification and roams around as a jeevanmukta (liberated while living) with no individual will, one will then become a vessel for fulfilling Nature's will. Any destructive acts performed by such a person are Nature's will. Such people are of course rare. If someone performs black magic on you, accept it, surrender to the Lord and take it as a payback for some of your previous karmas. And, as far as you yourself are concerned, realize that it is foolish to think of doing black magic and harming or controlling anyone. First, focus on your spiritual sadhana and on your liberation. If Nature wants you to do some important negative work, Nature will arrange for it. This being Kali yuga, all sensitive knowledge that has potential for abuse has been corrupted by Nature. You cannot learn it from books. If you have a rina with some knowledge, it will come to you. Most important thing is to work on your attitude and strive for liberation. I guess the simple answer to your question on why such knowledge exists is that Nature may need it to correct some imbalances now and then. However, stay away from such things at any cost, as long as you have an individual self-identification and ego. A word on destruction: Ramakrishna Paramahamsa once had an interesting vision of the Mother. He first saw her as a beautiful lady who gave birth to a child. Then he saw that she brought up the child. When the child grew up, he saw that she put a cruel face and ate him up. This whole vision summed up the cycle of creation and destruction to him. The *Shakti* of Supreme Cosmic Being gives rise to the Trinity and acts through them to create, sustain and destroy. What Ramakrishna saw was that Shakti in action. Destruction is as important a function in this dual world as is Creation, though people are afraid of it. After all, what is being created and what is being destroyed? The true Self, as Krishna taught in Bhagavad Gita, is neither created nor destroyed. It is an illusion, within the field of duality, that is being created and destroyed. Like an object being created and destroyed in a dream. Thus, destruction is not to be feared. However, as long as you are bound by duality, all of your actions will receive their corresponding reactions later. If you are afraid of your own destruction (when bound by duality), do not cause destruction to someone else. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > Om Brihaspataye Namah > > Dear Narasimhaji and members, > Namaste and Hare Krishna > > Recently I was chatting to someone online that mentioned indrajal. I gathered from our chat that it was something to do with black magic. > > When I got home today, I asked my grandmother and she refused to tell me what it was. I googled it and came across as it being a book of tantra dealing with the darker aspects- potential to damage others. > > On one of the books, there is a picture of Ma Kali. And one shop that sells it online mentions Das MahaVidya. > > So my question is, if all these mantras that exist that can harm other people, who empowers these mantras? I really find it hard to believe that Ma will give power to people to harm others. > > I do know from Vedic stories about devas granting boons to demons, for example- Hiranyakashipu's story. But, considering we are in Kali Yuga, does this still happen? People are more likely to die from AIDS, cancer etc, so whats the big deal with black magic? Is this just childish superstition or all part of a larger work of karma? > > Sorry for the questions, its just been annoying me at the back of my mind. > > Jaya Sita Raama > Bivash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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