Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Namaste, > Is not "Nama:" equivalent of NamaH? Yes it is nearly same but with a very crucial difference. I am reproducing extract from Narasimha's message regarding Sanskrit grammar. One important thing which has come to my mind is that, because it is Visarga, in Sanskrit scripts, it is denoted by : and NOT by 'Ha' akshar written in devanagari. that shows that there is some important difference in pronunciation and the sound should not be made explicitly as Ha but one should let go the air while pronouncing it. it is different thing that apparently it sounds like Ha. > > (3) Take "dhiyo yo naH". The "H" in "naH" is a visarga (written in Sanskrit> > as ":" and notated in itrans as "H"). Visarga means "letting go". You are> > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation> > of "naH" is very close to "nah" though slightly different. Again, this is> > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make> > it "naha". Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to> > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong.> >> > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol "H" is pronounced> > differently in "raamaH", "hariH" and "guruH". The same symbol> > "H" or ":" is pronounced as "ha", "hi" and "hu" in the 3 words, respectively> > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as> > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3> > words. *** > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover of obstacles being >the creator of obstacles as well. First time i thought about Vigneshwara in line with what you mentioned. if we split the word which are joined then it is Vigna + Ishwara = God of Obstacle. it can very well mean that the God who controls obstacles. now if we derive meaning that Ganapati (Vigneshwara) is the controller of Obstacles then what you mentioned seems quite correct because the one who controls obstacle has the power to put forth the obstacle as well as remove it. > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the right as opposed to the left >or the middle? I do not know WHY but It is a popular opinion in Maharashtra and Gujarat (may be in the other places as well) that Murti or picture of Ganapati having Right Sided trunk are very active (Live) and hence they should be handled with extreme care. i mean, the idol or picture should never remain without Pujan etc... Generally people are afraid of keeping such a idol in their homes because they feel that if they are no able to properly worship the idol then some kind of misfortune will befall on them. Other thing is that, there is also belief that if the idol is properly propitiated then it can give great fortune. it is not out of place to mention here that about a year back somebody gave me a Ganapati idol having Right side trunk. i kept it in my small puja place. i think i hardly ever worship the idol but when i started Homam i used to keep the idol in the homam. although i knew the above belief, i was never afraid of misfortune. afterwards i came to Mumbai for vacation and i bought another idol of metal. now i had (still have) 2 idols and i used to keep only metal idol (with left side trunk) but i had some kind of guilt feeling that i am not able to keep the earlier one idol so i decided to give the metal idol to one of my colleagues who was going to shift to a new house. i gave them the idol but they were little hesitant and gave me back. i asked my Guru about it and he asked to keep both the idols in the Homam and i started doing that. now during my Homam, there are both Ganapati present, one with Right side trunk and one with left side. one who is ready to punish and the one who just let go like visarga . but truly speaking, my fear for such things have almost gone. No trepidation by whatever beliefs. Whether it is Ganapati of Right sided trunk or mistakes in rituals or wrong pronunciation of veda mantra or such other things. *** I have no answers for the rest of the things you asked. sorry if i've deviated. best regards, Utpal , "vinita kumar" <vinitakuma wrote:>> Thanks, Utpalji for pointing out the correction in "Ganapataye".> > Is not "Nama:" equivalent of NamaH?> > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover of obstacles being the creator of obstacles as well.> > Afterall was he not the vighna in is father's path as a result of which he lost his head?> > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the right as opposed to the left or the middle?> > Any meaning attached to what Ganapati holds in his hands and in the trunk?> > What is the meaning of "Gana"?...is it the elements or the energies that underlie creation?> > Or is it the Ganas in Shiva's retinue?> > Who are the ganas who accompany Shiva?> > i saw some videos of ganapati "drinking" milk and was very impressed!> > Regards and best wishes> > > > > , "utpal pathak" vedic_pathak@ wrote:> >> > one correction for the Mantra in your message.> > > > The correct is "Gam Ganapataye Nama:"> > > > , "vinita kumar" <vinitakuma@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > namaste narasimha ji,> > > > > > does the same apply to "gam"? yesterday while discussing the mantra "Om> > > Gam Ganapatiye Namah" with a friend, she told me that "gam" is> > > pronounced as "gong".> > > > > > Thank you!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group> > > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but> > > both are valid.> > > >> > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot> > > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying> > > "hreeng" and stop just when you are about to say "g". The sound "g"> > > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal "n(g)" correctly,> > > you have to think that you are going to say "ng", but stop just short of> > > "g". It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the "g" sound a bit.> > > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to "hreem".> > > >> > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both> > > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana> > > > Spirituality: > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > > > > >> > > > -> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Narsimha,> > > >> > > > Hope you are doing great.> > > >> > > > I have a small question.> > > >> > > > Someone said that "Hreeing" is more appropriate than "Hreem". Would> > > you agree..?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > <deleted>> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Dear Utpalji Excellent mail! Please do share such experiences with us. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Wed, 8/7/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Quick Questions (Visarga, Vigna + Ishwara) Date: Wednesday, 8 July, 2009, 10:40 AM Namaste, > Is not "Nama:" equivalent of NamaH? Yes it is nearly same but with a very crucial difference. I am reproducing extract from Narasimha's message regarding Sanskrit grammar. One important thing which has come to my mind is that, because it is Visarga, in Sanskrit scripts, it is denoted by : and NOT by 'Ha' akshar written in devanagari. that shows that there is some important difference in pronunciation and the sound should not be made explicitly as Ha but one should let go the air while pronouncing it. it is different thing that apparently it sounds like Ha. > > (3) Take "dhiyo yo naH". The "H" in "naH" is a visarga (written in Sanskrit> > as ":" and notated in itrans as "H"). Visarga means "letting go". You are> > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation> > of "naH" is very close to "nah" though slightly different. Again, this is> > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make> > it " naha ". Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to> > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong.> >> > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol "H" is pronounced> > differently in "raamaH", "hariH" and "guruH". The same symbol> > "H" or ":" is pronounced as "ha", "hi" and "hu" in the 3 words, respectively> > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as> > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3> > words. *** > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover of obstacles being >the creator of obstacles as well. First time i thought about Vigneshwara in line with what you mentioned. if we split the word which are joined then it is Vigna + Ishwara = God of Obstacle. it can very well mean that the God who controls obstacles. now if we derive meaning that Ganapati (Vigneshwara) is the controller of Obstacles then what you mentioned seems quite correct because the one who controls obstacle has the power to put forth the obstacle as well as remove it. > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the right as opposed to the left >or the middle? I do not know WHY but It is a popular opinion in Maharashtra and Gujarat (may be in the other places as well) that Murti or picture of Ganapati having Right Sided trunk are very active (Live) and hence they should be handled with extreme care. i mean, the idol or picture should never remain without Pujan etc... Generally people are afraid of keeping such a idol in their homes because they feel that if they are no able to properly worship the idol then some kind of misfortune will befall on them. Other thing is that, there is also belief that if the idol is properly propitiated then it can give great fortune. it is not out of place to mention here that about a year back somebody gave me a Ganapati idol having Right side trunk. i kept it in my small puja place. i think i hardly ever worship the idol but when i started Homam i used to keep the idol in the homam. although i knew the above belief, i was never afraid of misfortune. afterwards i came to Mumbai for vacation and i bought another idol of metal. now i had (still have) 2 idols and i used to keep only metal idol (with left side trunk) but i had some kind of guilt feeling that i am not able to keep the earlier one idol so i decided to give the metal idol to one of my colleagues who was going to shift to a new house. i gave them the idol but they were little hesitant and gave me back. i asked my Guru about it and he asked to keep both the idols in the Homam and i started doing that. now during my Homam, there are both Ganapati present, one with Right side trunk and one with left side. one who is ready to punish and the one who just let go like visarga . but truly speaking, my fear for such things have almost gone. No trepidation by whatever beliefs. Whether it is Ganapati of Right sided trunk or mistakes in rituals or wrong pronunciation of veda mantra or such other things. *** I have no answers for the rest of the things you asked. sorry if i've deviated. best regards, Utpal , "vinita kumar" <vinitakuma@. ..> wrote:>> Thanks, Utpalji for pointing out the correction in "Ganapataye" .> > Is not "Nama:" equivalent of NamaH?> > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover of obstacles being the creator of obstacles as well.> > Afterall was he not the vighna in is father's path as a result of which he lost his head?> > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the right as opposed to the left or the middle?> > Any meaning attached to what Ganapati holds in his hands and in the trunk?> > What is the meaning of "Gana"?...is it the elements or the energies that underlie creation?> > Or is it the Ganas in Shiva's retinue?> > Who are the ganas who accompany Shiva?> > i saw some videos of ganapati "drinking" milk and was very impressed!> > Regards and best wishes> > > > > , "utpal pathak" vedic_pathak@ wrote:> >> > one correction for the Mantra in your message.> > > > The correct is "Gam Ganapataye Nama:"> > > > , "vinita kumar" <vinitakuma@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > namaste narasimha ji,> > > > > > does the same apply to "gam"? yesterday while discussing the mantra "Om> > > Gam Ganapatiye Namah" with a friend, she told me that "gam" is> > > pronounced as "gong".> > > > > > Thank you!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in ka-group> > > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work differently, but> > > both are valid.> > > >> > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot> > > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start saying> > > "hreeng" and stop just when you are about to say "g". The sound "g"> > > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal "n(g)" correctly,> > > you have to think that you are going to say "ng", but stop just short of> > > "g". It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the "g" sound a bit.> > > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to "hreem".> > > >> > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are both> > > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea.> > > >> > > > Best regards,> > > > Narasimha> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------> > > >> > > > -> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Narsimha,> > > >> > > > Hope you are doing great.> > > >> > > > I have a small question.> > > >> > > > Someone said that "Hreeing" is more appropriate than "Hreem". Would> > > you agree..?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > <deleted>> > > >> > >> >> Looking for local information? 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is pronounced > > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively > > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as > > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 > > words Does it sound identical? When I tried letting air go, the mouth and tongue remain in shape as the last vowel and the aspiration " sounds " different. Can experts confirm? -Vasu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Namaste,Utpalji, i really liked your mail. my ganapati too has his trunk turned to the right. for a long time he was confined in a box with lakshmi ji and taken out only on diwali for the puja. after starting the homam practices i now keep him in my mother-in-law's puja cupboard. there are other gods too with him and i feel he is happier in this place. love and best wishes , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > Is not " Nama: " equivalent of NamaH? > > Yes it is nearly same but with a very crucial difference. I am > reproducing extract from Narasimha's message regarding Sanskrit grammar. > One important thing which has come to my mind is that, because it is > Visarga, in Sanskrit scripts, it is denoted by : and NOT by 'Ha' akshar > written in devanagari. that shows that there is some important > difference in pronunciation and the sound should not be made explicitly > as Ha but one should let go the air while pronouncing it. it is > different thing that apparently it sounds like Ha. > > > > (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in > Sanskrit > > > as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . > You are > > > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. > Pronunciation > > > of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, > this is > > > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south > Indians, make > > > it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is > added to > > > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. > > > > > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is > pronounced > > > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > > > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, > respectively > > > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it > as > > > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the > 3 > > > words. > > *** > > > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover > of obstacles being >the creator of obstacles as well. > > First time i thought about Vigneshwara in line with what you mentioned. > if we split the word which are joined then it is Vigna + Ishwara = God > of Obstacle. it can very well mean that the God who controls obstacles. > now if we derive meaning that Ganapati (Vigneshwara) is the controller > of Obstacles then what you mentioned seems quite correct because the one > who controls obstacle has the power to put forth the obstacle as well as > remove it. > > > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the > right as opposed to the left >or the middle? > > I do not know WHY but It is a popular opinion in Maharashtra and Gujarat > (may be in the other places as well) that Murti or picture of Ganapati > having Right Sided trunk are very active (Live) and hence they should be > handled with extreme care. i mean, the idol or picture should never > remain without Pujan etc... Generally people are afraid of keeping such > a idol in their homes because they feel that if they are no able to > properly worship the idol then some kind of misfortune will befall on > them. Other thing is that, there is also belief that if the idol is > properly propitiated then it can give great fortune. > > it is not out of place to mention here that about a year back somebody > gave me a Ganapati idol having Right side trunk. i kept it in my small > puja place. i think i hardly ever worship the idol but when i started > Homam i used to keep the idol in the homam. although i knew the above > belief, i was never afraid of misfortune. afterwards i came to Mumbai > for vacation and i bought another idol of metal. now i had (still have) > 2 idols and i used to keep only metal idol (with left side trunk) but i > had some kind of guilt feeling that i am not able to keep the earlier > one idol so i decided to give the metal idol to one of my colleagues who > was going to shift to a new house. i gave them the idol but they were > little hesitant and gave me back. i asked my Guru about it and he asked > to keep both the idols in the Homam and i started doing that. now during > my Homam, there are both Ganapati present, one with Right side trunk and > one with left side. one who is ready to punish and the one who just let > go like visarga . > > but truly speaking, my fear for such things have almost gone. No > trepidation by whatever beliefs. Whether it is Ganapati of Right sided > trunk or mistakes in rituals or wrong pronunciation of veda mantra or > such other things. > > > > *** > > I have no answers for the rest of the things you asked. > > sorry if i've deviated. > > best regards, > > Utpal > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> > wrote: > > > > Thanks, Utpalji for pointing out the correction in " Ganapataye " . > > > > Is not " Nama: " equivalent of NamaH? > > > > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover > of obstacles being the creator of obstacles as well. > > > > Afterall was he not the vighna in is father's path as a result of > which he lost his head? > > > > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the > right as opposed to the left or the middle? > > > > Any meaning attached to what Ganapati holds in his hands and in the > trunk? > > > > What is the meaning of " Gana " ?...is it the elements or the energies > that underlie creation? > > > > Or is it the Ganas in Shiva's retinue? > > > > Who are the ganas who accompany Shiva? > > > > i saw some videos of ganapati " drinking " milk and was very impressed! > > > > Regards and best wishes > > > > > > > > > > , " utpal pathak " vedic_pathak@ > wrote: > > > > > > one correction for the Mantra in your message. > > > > > > The correct is " Gam Ganapataye Nama: " > > > > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > does the same apply to " gam " ? yesterday while discussing the > mantra " Om > > > > Gam Ganapatiye Namah " with a friend, she told me that " gam " is > > > > pronounced as " gong " . > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in > ka-group > > > > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work > differently, but > > > > both are valid. > > > > > > > > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot > > > > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start > saying > > > > " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound > " g " > > > > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " > correctly, > > > > you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just > short of > > > > " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound > a bit. > > > > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to > " hreem " . > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are > both > > > > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha, > > > > > > > > > > Hope you are doing great. > > > > > > > > > > I have a small question. > > > > > > > > > > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . > Would > > > > you agree..? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > <deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Namaste Vinita bahen, It is again a coincidence. i thought in a simmilar line yesterday. See, The RT Ganapati who was not worshipped by you, actually made you to worship him everyday by the way of Homam. now pl. listen to my story. Important thing which struck only yesterday after writing the email. I said that The RT Ganapati Idol which was not worshiped by me for long time. The Ganapati would have felt very annoyed. he would have thought i am a GOD with Right side trunk and this stupid, ignorant fella is not worshiping me so finally he arranged for my Real Guru and made me to worship HIM directly by Homam:). by the way, the name of the apartment in Mumbai where i stay is GANESH KRUPA. Vigneshwaraay Varadaay Surapriyaay Lambodaraay Sakalaay Jagadhhitaay Nagaananaay shruti yagna vibhushitaay Gaurisutaay Gananaath namo namaste. utpal , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: > > Namaste,Utpalji, > > i really liked your mail. > > my ganapati too has his trunk turned to the right. for a long time he was confined in a box with lakshmi ji and taken out only on diwali for the puja. > > after starting the homam practices i now keep him in my mother-in-law's puja cupboard. there are other gods too with him and i feel he is happier in this place. > > > > love and best wishes > > > , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > Is not " Nama: " equivalent of NamaH? > > > > Yes it is nearly same but with a very crucial difference. I am > > reproducing extract from Narasimha's message regarding Sanskrit grammar. > > One important thing which has come to my mind is that, because it is > > Visarga, in Sanskrit scripts, it is denoted by : and NOT by 'Ha' akshar > > written in devanagari. that shows that there is some important > > difference in pronunciation and the sound should not be made explicitly > > as Ha but one should let go the air while pronouncing it. it is > > different thing that apparently it sounds like Ha. > > > > > > (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in > > Sanskrit > > > > as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . > > You are > > > > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. > > Pronunciation > > > > of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, > > this is > > > > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south > > Indians, make > > > > it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is > > added to > > > > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. > > > > > > > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is > > pronounced > > > > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > > > > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, > > respectively > > > > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it > > as > > > > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the > > 3 > > > > words. > > > > *** > > > > > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover > > of obstacles being >the creator of obstacles as well. > > > > First time i thought about Vigneshwara in line with what you mentioned. > > if we split the word which are joined then it is Vigna + Ishwara = God > > of Obstacle. it can very well mean that the God who controls obstacles. > > now if we derive meaning that Ganapati (Vigneshwara) is the controller > > of Obstacles then what you mentioned seems quite correct because the one > > who controls obstacle has the power to put forth the obstacle as well as > > remove it. > > > > > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the > > right as opposed to the left >or the middle? > > > > I do not know WHY but It is a popular opinion in Maharashtra and Gujarat > > (may be in the other places as well) that Murti or picture of Ganapati > > having Right Sided trunk are very active (Live) and hence they should be > > handled with extreme care. i mean, the idol or picture should never > > remain without Pujan etc... Generally people are afraid of keeping such > > a idol in their homes because they feel that if they are no able to > > properly worship the idol then some kind of misfortune will befall on > > them. Other thing is that, there is also belief that if the idol is > > properly propitiated then it can give great fortune. > > > > it is not out of place to mention here that about a year back somebody > > gave me a Ganapati idol having Right side trunk. i kept it in my small > > puja place. i think i hardly ever worship the idol but when i started > > Homam i used to keep the idol in the homam. although i knew the above > > belief, i was never afraid of misfortune. afterwards i came to Mumbai > > for vacation and i bought another idol of metal. now i had (still have) > > 2 idols and i used to keep only metal idol (with left side trunk) but i > > had some kind of guilt feeling that i am not able to keep the earlier > > one idol so i decided to give the metal idol to one of my colleagues who > > was going to shift to a new house. i gave them the idol but they were > > little hesitant and gave me back. i asked my Guru about it and he asked > > to keep both the idols in the Homam and i started doing that. now during > > my Homam, there are both Ganapati present, one with Right side trunk and > > one with left side. one who is ready to punish and the one who just let > > go like visarga . > > > > but truly speaking, my fear for such things have almost gone. No > > trepidation by whatever beliefs. Whether it is Ganapati of Right sided > > trunk or mistakes in rituals or wrong pronunciation of veda mantra or > > such other things. > > > > > > > > *** > > > > I have no answers for the rest of the things you asked. > > > > sorry if i've deviated. > > > > best regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Utpalji for pointing out the correction in " Ganapataye " . > > > > > > Is not " Nama: " equivalent of NamaH? > > > > > > I also need confirmation about Vighneshwara whom we worship as remover > > of obstacles being the creator of obstacles as well. > > > > > > Afterall was he not the vighna in is father's path as a result of > > which he lost his head? > > > > > > Furthermore, is there some significance of the trunk turned to the > > right as opposed to the left or the middle? > > > > > > Any meaning attached to what Ganapati holds in his hands and in the > > trunk? > > > > > > What is the meaning of " Gana " ?...is it the elements or the energies > > that underlie creation? > > > > > > Or is it the Ganas in Shiva's retinue? > > > > > > Who are the ganas who accompany Shiva? > > > > > > i saw some videos of ganapati " drinking " milk and was very impressed! > > > > > > Regards and best wishes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utpal pathak " vedic_pathak@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > one correction for the Mantra in your message. > > > > > > > > The correct is " Gam Ganapataye Nama: " > > > > > > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste narasimha ji, > > > > > > > > > > does the same apply to " gam " ? yesterday while discussing the > > mantra " Om > > > > > Gam Ganapatiye Namah " with a friend, she told me that " gam " is > > > > > pronounced as " gong " . > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > For beejaaksharas, both versions ending with the nasal in > > ka-group > > > > > (ng) and the nasal in pa-group (m) are valid. They work > > differently, but > > > > > both are valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the problem with the former is that most people cannot > > > > > pronounce it correctly. The correct pronunciation is to start > > saying > > > > > " hreeng " and stop just when you are about to say " g " . The sound > > " g " > > > > > should not be explicit at all. To pronounce that nasal " n(g) " > > correctly, > > > > > you have to think that you are going to say " ng " , but stop just > > short of > > > > > " g " . It is not easy. Most people end up pronouncing the " g " sound > > a bit. > > > > > Instead of making that mistake, it is better to just stick to > > " hreem " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottomline: The forms hreem and hreen(g) with a silent g are > > both > > > > > fine. But hreeng with an explicit g is a bad idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > > > > > > Spirituality: > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narsimha, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you are doing great. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a small question. > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone said that " Hreeing " is more appropriate than " Hreem " . > > Would > > > > > you agree..? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > <deleted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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