Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Narasimha, Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Namaste, I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. Please buy the book " Mantrapushpam " by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too. I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For example, all the three letters in " dheemahi " are without any lines below or above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of udattas. (2) The last syllable of " prachodayaat " is " yaat " . It is supposed to be one syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, " t " is hardly audible. If you artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it " prachodayaatu " , you will end up introducing an extra syllable ( " tu " ) and mess up everything. A lot of people do not pronounce " t " correctly. Probably some guru sometime back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT add a brief vowel after that consonant. (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in Sanskrit as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . You are supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, this is supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is pronounced differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 words. Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other things I mentioned here are not that easy! Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source > Dear Narasimha, > > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? > > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. > > Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dear Narasimhaji,I am confused after reading your post. Can we not just chant the mantra in mind? Will these rules still be applicable in that case? Will not chanting the mantra using mouth reduce its effectiveness?Thank you,Manish--- On Thu, 25/6/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source Date: Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 3:26 AM Namaste, I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. Please buy the book "Mantrapushpam" by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too.. I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For example, all the three letters in "dheemahi" are without any lines below or above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of udattas. (2) The last syllable of "prachodayaat" is "yaat". It is supposed to be one syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, "t" is hardly audible. If you artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it "prachodayaatu" , you will end up introducing an extra syllable ("tu") and mess up everything. A lot of people do not pronounce "t" correctly. Probably some guru sometime back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT add a brief vowel after that consonant. (3) Take "dhiyo yo naH". The "H" in "naH" is a visarga (written in Sanskrit as ":" and notated in itrans as "H"). Visarga means "letting go". You are supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation of "naH" is very close to "nah" though slightly different. Again, this is supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make it "naha". Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol "H" is pronounced differently in "raamaH", "hariH" and "guruH". The same symbol "H" or ":" is pronounced as "ha", "hi" and "hu" in the 3 words, respectively (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 words. Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other things I mentioned here are not that easy! Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "sbm_sharma" <sbm_sharma > <> Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source > Dear Narasimha, > > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? > > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. > > Regards ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Thank you. , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. > > Please buy the book " Mantrapushpam " by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri > mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too. > > I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: > > (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines > below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For > example, all the three letters in " dheemahi " are without any lines below or > above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up > introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, > pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do > not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of > udattas. > > (2) The last syllable of " prachodayaat " is " yaat " . It is supposed to be one > syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, " t " is hardly audible. If you > artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it " prachodayaatu " , you > will end up introducing an extra syllable ( " tu " ) and mess up everything. A > lot of people do not pronounce " t " correctly. Probably some guru sometime > back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending > in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he > was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for > teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with > a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT > add a brief vowel after that consonant. > > (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in Sanskrit > as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . You are > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation > of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, this is > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make > it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is pronounced > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 > words. > > Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. > > However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of > it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more > important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all > other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda > mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please > note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other > things I mentioned here are not that easy! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM > Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - > Audio Source > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? > > > > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. > > > > Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 Namaste, Yes, chanting in the mind is the best. But, even when chanting in the mind, one can pronounce it correctly or incorrectly. I was only pointing out some common mistakes even learned people make and secondly I was saying that correct pronunciation is only one part of making the mantra perfect. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - manish gour Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:41 AM Re: Re: Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source Dear Narasimhaji, I am confused after reading your post. Can we not just chant the mantra in mind? Will these rules still be applicable in that case? Will not chanting the mantra using mouth reduce its effectiveness? Thank you, Manish --- On Thu, 25/6/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source Date: Thursday, 25 June, 2009, 3:26 AM Namaste,I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory.Please buy the book "Mantrapushpam" by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too..I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make:(1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For example, all the three letters in "dheemahi" are without any lines below or above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of udattas.(2) The last syllable of "prachodayaat" is "yaat". It is supposed to be one syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, "t" is hardly audible. If you artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it "prachodayaatu" , you will end up introducing an extra syllable ("tu") and mess up everything. A lot of people do not pronounce "t" correctly. Probably some guru sometime back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT add a brief vowel after that consonant.(3) Take "dhiyo yo naH". The "H" in "naH" is a visarga (written in Sanskrit as ":" and notated in itrans as "H"). Visarga means "letting go". You are supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation of "naH" is very close to "nah" though slightly different. Again, this is supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make it "naha". Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong.In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol "H" is pronounced differently in "raamaH", "hariH" and "guruH". The same symbol"H" or ":" is pronounced as "ha", "hi" and "hu" in the 3 words, respectively (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 words.Watch out for these 3 common mistakes.However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other things I mentioned here are not that easy!Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "sbm_sharma" <sbm_sharma ><>Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source> Dear Narasimha,>> Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed?>> Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much.>> Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Namaste, >3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in >Sanskrit as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga >means " letting go " . You are supposed to let air go from you lungs >in a quick exhalation. > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 > words. I had this query in my mind since long time but i didn't ask you. also in the past, few questions which i wanted to ask you but didn't has been always answered by you by means of this forum. Now coming back to the Visarga - I was convinced when i read your above paragraph regarding pronunciation of Visarga (:, Ha). Technical also it looked correct. but when i was reciting CP yesterday i was having some doubts which are mentioned below along with some other related queries. 1) I came across Deva Uchu: in the 4th chapter. Now i am convinced about DevaaH, RaamaH. IN This two words when you let go the air, you can naturally (effortlessly-without affecting the flow) pronuonce Ha (Not Haa). and i thought it is the same for others but when i came across Uchu:, i was in doubt for the consistency of the rule. What i mean here is that when i pronounce Uchu and then let go the air, the natural pronunciation seems to be 'Hu'. for Uchu--Ha, i have to do some extra efforts. it does not seem natural. Likewise for the word, Devaei:, when you let go, natural following voice seems to be 'Hi..' Surprisingly for Dewaa:, Ha seems to follow naturally and no need for Haa. 2) More importantly, when i recite CP or any other Shlokaas, i have found that, many a times it obstruct the rythm when you try to pronounce Visargaas. Especially when Visarga come in between a shloka. what is the basic purpose of the Visarga in Sanskrit language? and what if i avoid some of the Visargaas which obstruct the flow?. Please ignore if these questions are like unnecessary hair splitting analysis because I also feel that way at the moment. But I thought of asking you finally because the topic is relevant and the points I mentioned are practically experienced. Yours, Utpal , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. > > Please buy the book " Mantrapushpam " by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri > mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too. > > I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: > > (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines > below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For > example, all the three letters in " dheemahi " are without any lines below or > above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up > introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, > pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do > not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of > udattas. > > (2) The last syllable of " prachodayaat " is " yaat " . It is supposed to be one > syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, " t " is hardly audible. If you > artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it " prachodayaatu " , you > will end up introducing an extra syllable ( " tu " ) and mess up everything. A > lot of people do not pronounce " t " correctly. Probably some guru sometime > back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending > in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he > was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for > teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with > a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT > add a brief vowel after that consonant. > > (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in Sanskrit > as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . You are > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation > of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, this is > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make > it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is pronounced > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 > words. > > Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. > > However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of > it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more > important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all > other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda > mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please > note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other > things I mentioned here are not that easy! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM > Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - > Audio Source > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? > > > > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. > > > > Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2009 Report Share Posted June 27, 2009 Namaste, In 4th chapter of Chandipath, it is " deevaaH UchuH " . When you do sandhi, " aaH + U " becomes " aaU " , i.e. visarga after " aa " disappeares. So it becomes " deevaaUchuH " . The visarga at the end (after Uchu) cannot be skipped. When one pronounces visarga as ha, hi, hu etc (e.g. raamaha, harihi, guruhu, devaaha, devyaha, devaihi etc), it may add a letter and break the flow and rhythm. If you pronounce visarga correctly, it should not break the flow. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak Saturday, June 27, 2009 4:24 AM Re: Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - Audio Source > Namaste, > >>3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in >> >Sanskrit as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga >means " letting >>go " . You are supposed to let air go from you lungs >in a quick exhalation. > >> differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol >> " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, >> respectively >> (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as >> letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 >> words. > > I had this query in my mind since long time but i didn't ask you. also in > the past, few questions which i wanted to ask you but didn't has been > always answered by you by means of this forum. > > Now coming back to the Visarga - > I was convinced when i read your above paragraph regarding pronunciation > of Visarga (:, Ha). Technical also it looked correct. > > but when i was reciting CP yesterday i was having some doubts which are > mentioned below along with some other related queries. > > 1) I came across Deva Uchu: in the 4th chapter. Now i am convinced about > DevaaH, RaamaH. IN This two words when you let go the air, you can > naturally (effortlessly-without affecting the flow) pronuonce Ha (Not > Haa). and i thought it is the same for others but when i came across > Uchu:, i was in doubt for the consistency of the rule. What i mean here is > that when i pronounce Uchu and then let go the air, the natural > pronunciation seems to be 'Hu'. for Uchu--Ha, i have to do some extra > efforts. it does not seem natural. > Likewise for the word, Devaei:, when you let go, natural following voice > seems to be 'Hi..' > Surprisingly for Dewaa:, Ha seems to follow naturally and no need for Haa. > > 2) More importantly, when i recite CP or any other Shlokaas, i have found > that, many a times it obstruct the rythm when you try to pronounce > Visargaas. Especially when Visarga come in between a shloka. what is the > basic purpose of the Visarga in Sanskrit language? and what if i avoid > some of the Visargaas which obstruct the flow?. > > > Please ignore if these questions are like unnecessary hair splitting > analysis because I also feel that way at the moment. But I thought of > asking you finally because the topic is relevant and the points I > mentioned are practically experienced. > > Yours, > > Utpal > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr > wrote: >> >> Namaste, >> >> I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. >> >> Please buy the book " Mantrapushpam " by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri >> mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras >> too. >> >> I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: >> >> (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines >> below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. >> For >> example, all the three letters in " dheemahi " are without any lines below >> or >> above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up >> introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda >> mantras, >> pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do >> not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string >> of >> udattas. >> >> (2) The last syllable of " prachodayaat " is " yaat " . It is supposed to be >> one >> syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, " t " is hardly audible. If you >> artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it " prachodayaatu " , >> you >> will end up introducing an extra syllable ( " tu " ) and mess up everything. >> A >> lot of people do not pronounce " t " correctly. Probably some guru sometime >> back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words >> ending >> in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant >> he >> was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good >> for >> teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it >> with >> a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do >> NOT >> add a brief vowel after that consonant. >> >> (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in >> Sanskrit >> as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . You are >> supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. >> Pronunciation >> of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, this is >> supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, >> make >> it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added >> to >> the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. >> >> In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is >> pronounced >> differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol >> " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, >> respectively >> (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as >> letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 >> words. >> >> Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. >> >> However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage >> of >> it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more >> important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all >> other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda >> mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. >> Please >> note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the >> other >> things I mentioned here are not that easy! >> >> Best regards, >> Narasimha >> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana >> Spirituality: >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org >> >> >> - >> " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma >> >> Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM >> Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and >> Intonation - >> Audio Source >> >> >> > Dear Narasimha, >> > >> > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the >> > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? >> > >> > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so >> > much. >> > >> > Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2009 Report Share Posted June 30, 2009 Dear Narasimha, Namaskar. Thank you for graciously answering my questions. I understand that you are not able to type out (Phonetically or otherwise) the Gayatri mantra, however does this prohibition apply to the " Pre Gayatri " ? This is actually something I was most confused about as to pronunciation: " Om bhur bhuva swaha " , I have also seen as " Om bhu bhuvaha swaha " . Does the " r " in " bhur " get vocalized? Is " bhuva " correct or is it the later and in both instances regarding " bhuva " or " bhuvaha " is the " u " pronounced like " boo " or more like in " but " . Thank you very much. , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I cannot point to any audio that I found satisfactory. > > Please buy the book " Mantrapushpam " by Ramakrishna Mutt. It gives Gayatri > mantra with intonation marked correctly. It has many other veda mantras too. > > I will point out a few standard mistakes I have seen people make: > > (1) People normally pronounce anudattas and svaritas (letters with lines > below or above) correctly, but mess up when a few udattas come in a row. For > example, all the three letters in " dheemahi " are without any lines below or > above. They have to be pronounced in the same pitch. People end up > introducing some pitch variation and mispronouncing them. In veda mantras, > pronouncing all udattas in the same pitch is the most important thing. Do > not stress any letter or take the pitch up/down when pronouncing a string of > udattas. > > (2) The last syllable of " prachodayaat " is " yaat " . It is supposed to be one > syllable. When you pronounce it correctly, " t " is hardly audible. If you > artificially add an vowel at the end of it and make it " prachodayaatu " , you > will end up introducing an extra syllable ( " tu " ) and mess up everything. A > lot of people do not pronounce " t " correctly. Probably some guru sometime > back started the practice of adding a brief vowel at the end of words ending > in a consonant, so that his sishyas could listen clearly what consonant he > was saying. Unfortunately, it became a standard practice. This is good for > teaching, but wrong for sadhana. If a word ends in a consonant, end it with > a consonant (which cannot be heard clearly unless one tried hard) and do NOT > add a brief vowel after that consonant. > > (3) Take " dhiyo yo naH " . The " H " in " naH " is a visarga (written in Sanskrit > as " : " and notated in itrans as " H " ). Visarga means " letting go " . You are > supposed to let air go from you lungs in a quick exhalation. Pronunciation > of " naH " is very close to " nah " though slightly different. Again, this is > supposed to be one syllable. A lot of people, especially south Indians, make > it " naha " . Due to extra vowel added (a), an extra syllable (ha) is added to > the mantra and that messes up everything. Again this is wrong. > > In this style of mispronouncing visarga, the same symbol " H " is pronounced > differently in " raamaH " , " hariH " and " guruH " . The same symbol > " H " or " : " is pronounced as " ha " , " hi " and " hu " in the 3 words, respectively > (i.e. raamaha, harihi, guruhu). That is wrong. If you pronounce it as > letting air go, without adding any vowel, it sounds identical in the 3 > words. > > Watch out for these 3 common mistakes. > > However, as I keep saying, the pronunciation is only a small percentage of > it. Creating the right mental images and the perfect mental focus is more > important. If you lose awareness of your body, successfully shut down all > other thoughts in the mind and achieve a perfect mental focus on any veda > mantra with correct pronunciation, it will be a fantastic experience. Please > note that correct pronunciation is not difficult to achieve, but the other > things I mentioned here are not that easy! > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " sbm_sharma " <sbm_sharma > > Wednesday, June 24, 2009 8:57 PM > Proper Gayatri Mantra Pronunciation and Intonation - > Audio Source > > > > Dear Narasimha, > > > > Could you point me towards any easily obtainable audio recording of the > > Gayatri mantra which you deem to be correctly executed? > > > > Also, would you mind typing it out here, phonetically? Thank you so much. > > > > Regards > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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