Pitri Tarpana Question (Vishnu Sahasra Naama Homam..)

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Thank you Narasimha jee for clarifying. I was momentarily disturbed seeing the

word Bali. I knew deep with in my heart its not PASU bali but wanted to clarify

any way.

 

-Bijay

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> It wasn't pasu bali (animal sacrifice). It was merely some raisins that we

> offered as bali, around the homa kundam.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

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>

>

> -

> " ybijay " <ybijay

>

> Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:21 PM

> Pitri Tarpana Question (Re: " Vishnu Sahasra Naama

> Homam " ..)

>

>

> > you wrote:

> >

> > " Also, when we offered bali at the end of homam, suddenly all the dogs got

> > up and started running together towards the southwestern direction while

> > jumping up now and then, as though they were chasing somebody. " .

> >

> > My question is - did you give pasu bali? If yes, WHY??

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Bijay

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Manoj,

> >>

> >> In addition to fire, gods can be invoked in water as well as idols or any

> >> objects in general. In fact, gods can be invoked and worshipped in one's

> >> breathing. Gods can be worshipped without any external invocation also,

> >> as they have an indwelling presence always. However, external worship in

> >> fire gives the best results and useful for progressing for most sadhakas

> >> in the beginning.

> >>

> >> Kurukshetra is the land of BhagavadGita and you are blessed to be from

> >> that sacred land. I and my guru spent a couple of days at Kurukshetra for

> >> shooting a documentary movie on Krishna's historicity in May 2008. That

> >> whole region is filled with some powerful and strange spiritual energy.

> >> We had a couple of really nice homams and meditation sessions in

> >> Kurukshetra. I loved the place.

> >>

> >> Particularly, one Chandi homam we did in the night atop a small hill in

> >> Kurukshetra (Karna ka teela) was very nice. An old yogi and his grandson

> >> lived there and did sadhana everyday. They belonged to Naath pantha and

> >> were Gorakshaanaath (Gorakhnath) followers. When we were climbing the

> >> hill in the afternoon, Manish told me we probably had a rina there and

> >> might end up doing something there. When we found these yogis, we talked

> >> to them for a while. Just when leaving, Manish saw their havan kund where

> >> they do a havan everyday. Manish asked them it would be alright if we do

> >> Chandi homam in that havan kund that night. They welcomed us under the

> >> condition that we would not call any dark energies, as they were

> >> worshippers of Narayana. We told them we would call Mahalakshmi in fire

> >> and they consented. We went back later that night with all materials and

> >> did a Chandi homam. The place had around 10 dogs. They were barking loud

> >> before, but they all came and sat around the homam once fire started.

> >> Surprisingly, the dogs just sat around the fire without any sounds or

> >> barking for a whole 2 hours. It was Manish, I, that old naath panthaa

> >> yogi and a bunch of dogs that sat around the havan kund for 2 hours.

> >>

> >> Until we invoked the Mother, it was very silent except for our soft

> >> voices. But the moment we invoked the Mother in fire, there were strange

> >> noises all around us on the hill and in the valley. Suddenly, so many

> >> birds and flies started making various noises. The effect of

> >> transitioning from such silence to such an animated state all around us

> >> was quite strange and eerie. That animated state continued for a few

> >> minutes. Also, when we offered bali at the end of homam, suddenly all the

> >> dogs got up and started running together towards the southwestern

> >> direction while jumping up now and then, as though they were chasing

> >> somebody.

> >>

> >> There was no electricity there. The ONLY light in the vicinity was homam

> >> fire. There were so many mosquitos all around us and biting us

> >> continuously. We did not eat anything since noon and it was 10:30 pm when

> >> we finished. Still, it was so nice. Like I said, there is something

> >> ethereal about the air of Kurukshetra. Though I only spent only a couple

> >> of days there, I have fond memories of that place.

> >>

> >> Best regards,

> >> Narasimha

> >>

> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> >> Spirituality:

> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> manoj sharma

> >>

> >> Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:42 AM

> >> Re: Pitri Tarpana Question (Re: " Vishnu Sahasra

> >> Naama Homam " ..)

> >>

> >> JAI MAA

> >>

> >> Narsimha ji & others

> >>

> >> Namaskar

> >>

> >> i am sharing one thing, but don't want to disturb you.

> >> my native village is in Kurukshetra and there is a water pond in

> >> almost every village the elders told us that you can worship or meditate

> >> any devta or devi standing in these ponds, your spiritual progress will

> >> magnifying by many folds. one day a old village prist also told that when

> >> the fire homa is not possible due to rain (in our tradition the homa done

> >> in open) then you can invoke the deva in water and perform the ahuti in

> >> it.

> >>

> >> thanks

> >>

> >> --- On Sat, 13/6/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >>

> >> Namaste Ram ji,

> >>

> >> Shraaddham is an offering of balls of solid food for deceased

> >> ancestors on special occasions.

> >>

> >> Pitri tarpana is an offering of water for pitris (deceased

> >> ancestors who are stuck with some desires) to satisfy them. Not so long

> >> ago, every Braahmana used to perform a brief pitri tarpana everyday, as a

> >> part of daily rituals. This is not without reason.

> >>

> >> * * *

> >>

> >> The thoughts of the minds around us do have a subtle impact on

> >> our mind. When too many depressed, sad or frustrated people are around

> >> you, it will have a negative effect on you. Similarly, when some peaceful

> >> and blissful people or elevated souls are around you, it will have a

> >> positive effect on you. Thus, thoughts in the minds around you does have

> >> an impact on you.

> >>

> >> This is particularly true with respect to the minds of people

> >> who have genetic/kaarmik links/debts with you. When minds of such people

> >> are in great distress or great excitement, it has an impact on your mind.

> >>

> >> If a deceased ancestor to whom you have a kaarmik debt has some

> >> strong desires and unable to progress to a higher loka or be reborn, his

> >> thoughts and desires will have an impact on your mind.

> >>

> >> Thus, we invest our mental energy praying for their relief.

> >> While offering balls of solid food (shraaddha) on special occasions, pray

> >> that the ancestor may get an appropriate body again to fulfil remaining

> >> desires. While leaving water in pitri tarpana, pray that the ancestor's

> >> desires may be satisfied and the ancestor may be overcome the weaknesses.

> >> By praying for helping an ancestor, you are indirectly helping yourself,

> >> by removing a powerful negative influence on your mind and getting rid of

> >> some weaknesses.

> >>

> >> Unfortunately, the extremely simple ritual of pitri tarpana is

> >> out of fashion today. However, so many people will benefit tremendously

> >> if they do it atleast once every month if not daily. Vimalananda says

> >> that he will pick pitri tarpana if there is only one ritual he can

> >> perform.

> >>

> >> * * *

> >>

> >> Not long ago, every orthodox Braahmana used to perform a fire

> >> ritual and a water ritual (tarpana) everyday. Rituals use external

> >> symbols to induce internal changes. These two rituals are really

> >> important and useful rituals.

> >>

> >> A small comparison of homam and tarpana is reproduced from

> >> archives:

> >>

> >> ------------ --------- -----

> >> One word on Homam vs Tarpana. In homam, you are calling devatas

> >> and the medium is fire. In tarpana, you are calling pitris and the medium

> >> is water. Both sadhanas are applicable to all people irrespective of

> >> whether watery signs/planets are strong or fiery signs/planets in their

> >> horoscope.

> >>

> >> In homam, devatas come in fire and burn your blocking karmas to

> >> purify you. In tarpana, pitris come in water and free you from vasanas

> >> (conditioning of the mind) that were karmically inherited from them. If

> >> you have genes from (and rina with) an ancestor who was lustful or angry

> >> or jealous and the consciousness of the deceased ancestor is still having

> >> those thoughts, you will also suffer from such thoughts due to the

> >> connection and may even commit some bad karmas because of the weaknesses.

> >> You can free yourself from the rina by working on giving a rebirth to

> >> that ancestor. If the ancestor's consciousness is attached to a new body,

> >> the thoughts and cravings of that consciousness will not affect your

> >> consciousness in the same way. Thus, tarpana aims to cut off a strong

> >> source of bad karmas, while homam burns off previously committed bad

> >> karmas. Both are very important sadhanas for spiritual progress.

> >>

> >> Devatas are very subtle forms of consciousness. Their

> >> self-identification is to what is known as soul and represented by Sun.

> >> They work on your individual soul and free it from the karmas it carries.

> >> Pitris are grosser forms of consciousness with strong attachments and

> >> desires. Their self-identification is with what is known as mind and

> >> represented by Moon. You may note that Sun and Moon are associated with

> >> Devas and Pitris in the hora chart of astrology. Fire and water are the

> >> natural media for them respectively.

> >>

> >> Devas and pitris have different ways of working and influencing

> >> us and helping our spiritual progress. But both are relevant to all of us

> >> and have a role to play in our spiritual evolution. Worshipping devas in

> >> fire and satisfying pitris in water are very important.

> >> ------------ --------- -----

> >>

> >> Best regards,

> >> Narasimha

> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> >> ---------

> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

> >> homam

> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

> >> tarpana

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> >> net

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> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan

> >> nath.org

> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> >> ---------

> >>

> >> , Ramakrishnan

> >> Krishnamurthy <ramki108@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Dear Narasimha,

> >> >

> >> > Thanks for this valuable manual. Could you enlighten me on

> >> the difference between Pitri Tarpana and Shraddham? I believe Shraddham

> >> is performed once a year on the thithi of demise of one's father (to be

> >> performed by the eldest son). There are some variants such as performing

> >> it during the Shraddha Paksham instead of on the actual thithi, every

> >> year. Also, have heard of a Gaya Shraddham, which is to be performed once

> >> in a lifetime, and which makes it unnecessary to perform yearly Shraddham

> >> subsequently.

> >> >

> >> > Have tried to search for material on this but have not

> >> succeeded so far. At least if you can provide information on some

> >> sources, it would be a great help.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks and regards,

> >> > Ram

> >> >

> >> > --- On Fri, 12/6/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Namaste,

> >> >

> >> > Now a Vishnu sahasra naama homam manual is available. It

> >> contains a very short procedure for Vishnu sahasra naama homam. It is

> >> very detailed and pretty much anybody can follow it.

> >> >

> >> > Those who regularly chant Vishnu sahasra naama stotram should

> >> be able to perform a homam if they spend an extra 10 minutes, after a

> >> little practice. For those who are pressed for time and yet want to do a

> >> homam, a super-short procedure involving one verse is also given.

> >> >

> >> > The manual is available in English language, with mantras

> >> given in Sanskrit/Hindi, English, Telugu, Kannada or Malayalam scripts.

> >> >

> >> > In addition to this manual, manuals for Mahaganapathi homam,

> >> Chandi homam, Krishna homam, Shiva homam, Mahalakshmi homam, Sani homam

> >> and Kuja homam are available. More will be coming later.

> >> >

> >> > Chanting Vishnu's 1000 names is very powerful in this age. It

> >> is the best antidote for many problems, material and spiritual. Fire of a

> >> reasonable size augments the effect. The philosophy of fire ritual is

> >> explained in the manual.

> >> >

> >> > This is a part of the effort to enable a community of

> >> sadhakas who worship various deities in fire, as per the command of the

> >> divine Mother to my spiritual master at Kalikambal temple in Chennai in

> >> March 2006.

> >> >

> >> > Please go to the homam website below to download the manuals.

> >> It is hoped that spiritual sadhakas interested in homam will benefit from

> >> this and also help in increasing collective dharma in this world with

> >> their contribution. Please feel free to spread this link among interested

> >> people.

> >> >

> >> > Any philosophical or practical questions on homam or any

> >> spiritual sadhana can be discussed on the .

> >> >

> >> > Best regards,

> >> > Narasimha

>