Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Narasimha ji, Pranam! on Akshyaya Triteya i performed the first homam using the " bare essential " procedure. Today was the third day of homam and i thought it went better than the first two days. i liked the sound of crackling fire while meditating on the mantra. i want to ask a few questions. somehow, i feel more comfortable meditating on Mahamrityunjaya mantra than pronouncing the mantra aloud. is it ok do do so without producing sound (vaikhri?)? today i felt that i should do the homam every day. is is ok if i do this in the evening when i come back from work...say 7-7.30 p.m.? For some reason, real or imagined, i am drawn to fire but am also afraid of it. people who have seen my horoscope have told me that i should be wary of fire probably because i have rahu and mars in 8th house in Saggi - aspected by Sun (and also Jupiter and Merc). Seven months ago my mother-in-law got burnt while doing Puja and passed away.This incident took place right in front of me. i have not been a believer of rituals...or a personal deity. So one of my problems was who should i meditate to while performing homam. Then on this very forum there was a discussion on mahamrityunjaya mantra and i thought this should be right for me. i also realise that Triyambake could be an ugra form of shiva. sometime back i had visited Thiruvanamallai and did girivalam...Am curious about the " fire " in / near Chennai that has been mentioned in your introductory write-up on homam. Thankyou! best wishes and regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Namaste, Yes, you can meditate at the end of homam without any sound. When chanting the mantra as a part of homam (with swaahaa and with offerings), read it with minimum sound. If lips are moving to the mantra, that is enough. But when meditating at the end, you can be absolutely soundless and movementless. It is better that way actually. Yes, you can do in the evening. Do not think of homam as just regular fire. It is a representation of divinity - the soul and the Sun. Homa purifies all elements, especially fire. If there are fire element related problems in the horoscope, homam can purify the fire element. I really suggest Ganapathi for a few months. After that, switch to Shiva. The big fire Manish was shown by those siddhas is a symbolic representation of the regular homam done by thousands of people in future. Those who are here and slowly starting are the first few. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma Saturday, May 02, 2009 4:06 AM Re: Homam - Ugra Devatas > Narasimha ji, > Pranam! > > on Akshyaya Triteya i performed the first homam using the " bare essential " > procedure. Today was the third day of homam and i thought it went better > than the first two days. i liked the sound of crackling fire while > meditating on the mantra. > > i want to ask a few questions. somehow, i feel more comfortable meditating > on Mahamrityunjaya mantra than pronouncing the mantra aloud. is it ok do > do so without producing sound (vaikhri?)? > > today i felt that i should do the homam every day. is is ok if i do this > in the evening when i come back from work...say 7-7.30 p.m.? > > For some reason, real or imagined, i am drawn to fire but am also afraid > of it. people who have seen my horoscope have told me that i should be > wary of fire probably because i have rahu and mars in 8th house in Saggi - > aspected by Sun (and also Jupiter and Merc). Seven months ago my > mother-in-law got burnt while doing Puja and passed away.This incident > took place right in front of me. > > i have not been a believer of rituals...or a personal deity. So one of my > problems was who should i meditate to while performing homam. Then on this > very forum there was a discussion on mahamrityunjaya mantra and i thought > this should be right for me. i also realise that Triyambake could be an > ugra form of shiva. > > sometime back i had visited Thiruvanamallai and did girivalam...Am curious > about the " fire " in / near Chennai that has been mentioned in your > introductory write-up on homam. > > Thankyou! > > best wishes and regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Pranam! As suggested by you i have switched over to Ganapati mantra. I picked on " om gam ganapataye namah " because it is short and simple. My curiousity has been aroused about the different " quality " of mantras. The above mantra is supposed to be a " moola " mantra and also a " bija " mantra for ganapati. Can you explain the significance of this?As a remover of obstacles which other mantra would you suggest for ganapati? i am drawn to " aum vakratundaya hum " also, but do not know how to pronounce the mantra correctly and neither do i know what is the " correct " intonation for this. Should i stick to one main mantra only? Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it mentally. Should i resist doing this since you have advised that i should do Ganapati mantra at least for a month? Thankyou Regards and best wishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2009 Report Share Posted May 9, 2009 Namaste Good Question, thanks for this, it would be nice to hear more on this subject. I feel that from one perspective all mantras do get you to same level at some point in time, if done with correct bhava and surrender etc .. What we want is chit shuddhi and to get there, there is evidence people have used different mantras and have reached similar higher levels of conscoiusness. But we still have many mantras too and people have very unique and differing opinion. Earlier I too felt differently about each mantra and was curious about it them, always wanting to do the most potent and powerful mantra so that the progress speeds up but off late I feel differently and agree with Narasimha and other to stick to one and that one mantra will do the trick, same with homa also I did some Lord Ganapati and then here and there lord krishna and goddess laxmi devi, lord narasimha dev etc and then due to winter stopped doing it, now I am gradually starting or thinking about them, may be start with lord ganapati homa and try to do it atleast 40 times or so and then may be observe at that time what is in store in the mind and also the external circumstances. For lord ganpati one mantra that resonates to me at this time is " Om Gam Gluam Ganpataye VighnaVinashine swaha " . Please pardon my spelling errors here. I am sure others feel strongly too about other mantras. I feel a lot of Lord Ganapati Mantras help removing obstacles, and there may be special mantras for special results or expectations, and a lot of people feel strongly about it. I feel that one cannot escape prarabdha karmas, when sanchit karmas take the form of prarabdha karmas, sometimes we get good direction and get special mantras and they may help but also at times even trying special mantras one seem to not get any help over prarabdha karma. It is all play of conciousness and unfolding or fruitification of karma. May be I digressed and moved in different direction, I thought it is important to see different mantras in the light of achiving progress in spiriruality, overcoming obstacles, and our curiocity at times help us get confused and lost. I do believe one should understand about different mantras and firmly pick quickly with conviction one and use that mantra for some period of time without expecting any results or quick expectations. Again this applies towards progress in spirituality and not for mantras for worldly expectations. That is a different thing altogether, for instance someone wants a child or someone wants to get married or overcome some challenges, there are mantras for it and one should consult experts on mantra shastra, and many times the karmas do play their role and to the extent possible it is better to let it play and be done with it and move forward. Best Regards Mitesh , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma wrote: > > Pranam! > > As suggested by you i have switched over to Ganapati mantra. I picked on " om gam ganapataye namah " because it is short and simple. > > My curiousity has been aroused about the different " quality " of mantras. The above mantra is supposed to be a " moola " mantra and also a " bija " mantra for ganapati. Can you explain the significance of this?As a remover of obstacles which other mantra would you suggest for ganapati? i am drawn to " aum vakratundaya hum " also, but do not know how to pronounce the mantra correctly and neither do i know what is the " correct " intonation for this. Should i stick to one main mantra only? Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it mentally. Should i resist doing this since you have advised that i should do Ganapati mantra at least for a month? > > Thankyou > > Regards and best wishes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Namaste Mitesh, it was a good notes from you. i enjoyed reading your frank thoughts. Namaste Vinitaji, >Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously >towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it > >mentally. In my opinion, if you have decided to perform Ganapati Homam, then no need to get confused about Mantra Selection during Homam. for Ganapati Homam, Narasimha has suggested to do 3 specific Mantars/Stotra. Bija Mantra, Vedic Mantra and Atharvashirsha (pl. Refer the manual)- over and above it is perfectly fine to offer Aahutis with 'Mritunja Mahamantra or Gayatri Mantra or soime other nantra'. I used to offer initially Mritunjaya and Gayatri Mantra Aahuti during Ganapati Homam but now since a couple of months, i have discontinued that and only stick to the 3 suggested above. If one performs the Homam, over period of time the deity will inspire saadhaka with right mantra and attitude. it is best to live with confusions and pray MahaGanapati to do anything and everything including removal of doubts. this is offcourse my attitude and people need not agree. Warm Regards, Utpal , " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote: > > Namaste > > Good Question, thanks for this, it would be nice to hear more on this subject. > > I feel that from one perspective all mantras do get you to same level > at some point in time, if done with correct bhava and surrender etc .. > > What we want is chit shuddhi and to get there, there is evidence > people have used different mantras and have reached similar higher levels of conscoiusness. > > But we still have many mantras too and people have very unique and differing opinion. Earlier I too felt differently about each mantra and was curious about it them, always wanting to do the most potent > and powerful mantra so that the progress speeds up but off late > I feel differently and agree with Narasimha and other to stick to > one and that one mantra will do the trick, same with homa also > > I did some Lord Ganapati and then here and there lord krishna and goddess laxmi devi, lord narasimha dev etc and then due to winter stopped doing it, > now I am gradually starting or thinking about them, may be start with > lord ganapati homa and try to do it atleast 40 times or so and then > may be observe at that time what is in store in the mind and also the external circumstances. > > For lord ganpati one mantra that resonates to me at this time is > " Om Gam Gluam Ganpataye VighnaVinashine swaha " . Please pardon my spelling errors here. I am sure others feel strongly too about other mantras. > > I feel a lot of Lord Ganapati Mantras help removing obstacles, and there may be special mantras for special results or expectations, > and a lot of people feel strongly about it. > > I feel that one cannot escape prarabdha karmas, when sanchit karmas take the form of prarabdha karmas, sometimes we get good direction and get special mantras and they may help but also at times even trying special mantras one seem to not get any help over prarabdha karma. It is all play of conciousness and unfolding or fruitification of karma. > > May be I digressed and moved in different direction, I thought it is important to see different mantras in the light of achiving progress in spiriruality, overcoming obstacles, and our curiocity at times help us get confused and lost. > > I do believe one should understand about different mantras and firmly pick quickly with conviction one and use that mantra for some period of time without expecting any results or quick expectations. Again this applies towards progress in spirituality and not for mantras for worldly expectations. That is a different thing altogether, for instance someone wants a child or someone wants to get married or overcome some challenges, there are mantras for it and one should consult experts on mantra shastra, and many times the karmas do play their role and to the extent possible it is better to let it play and be done with it and move forward. > > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> wrote: > > > > Pranam! > > > > As suggested by you i have switched over to Ganapati mantra. I picked on " om gam ganapataye namah " because it is short and simple. > > > > My curiousity has been aroused about the different " quality " of mantras. The above mantra is supposed to be a " moola " mantra and also a " bija " mantra for ganapati. Can you explain the significance of this?As a remover of obstacles which other mantra would you suggest for ganapati? i am drawn to " aum vakratundaya hum " also, but do not know how to pronounce the mantra correctly and neither do i know what is the " correct " intonation for this. Should i stick to one main mantra only? Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it mentally. Should i resist doing this since you have advised that i should do Ganapati mantra at least for a month? > > > > Thankyou > > > > Regards and best wishes. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Utpalji, Miteshji, many thanks for your views. i have been following the " bare minimum " procedure and not the more elaborate and full mahaganapati homam procedure of the manual. in the manual of mahaganapati homam there is a shorter procedure at appendix B...but this is a little bit at variance with the bare minimum procedure specified later by narasimhan ji. i follow the latter. In the bare minimum procedure there is only one ganapati mantra which i keep repeating. That appears to be fine to me right now because of its simplicity. However, at some point of time i may like to graduate to more mantras and therefore wanted to know what different mantras to the same deity signify. But all that can wait, if need be, so long as i get established in the main practice. i understand that total surrender and love towards the deity may be the stepping stones to deepening the sadhana. However, in my present stage of sadhana i have a long long way to go. for many many years i have been struggling with different practices thinking that the ultimate goal of all this is to feel unshakled / have the experience of inner freedom and joy. This has eluded me so far...and may never be part of my present life's experience, ...but the sadhana continues in one form or another...in the hope that the vighnas may dissolve, to some extent, in some subtle way...that i may not be aware of in my present state of consciousness. i have started looking at ganapati as a remover of vighnas...mostly internal blocks in my case... yes, it appears that from a stage when rituals appeared to be ridiculous, and i couldn't imagine which deity i could pray to...some changes have surely come about. thankyou love and best wishes , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Namaste Mitesh, > > it was a good notes from you. i enjoyed reading your frank thoughts. > > Namaste Vinitaji, > > >Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously > >towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it > > >mentally. > > In my opinion, if you have decided to perform Ganapati Homam, then no need to get confused about Mantra Selection during Homam. for Ganapati Homam, Narasimha has suggested to do 3 specific Mantars/Stotra. > Bija Mantra, Vedic Mantra and Atharvashirsha (pl. Refer the manual)- over and above it is perfectly fine to offer Aahutis with 'Mritunja Mahamantra or Gayatri Mantra or soime other nantra'. I used to offer initially Mritunjaya and Gayatri Mantra Aahuti during Ganapati Homam but now since a couple of months, i have discontinued that and only stick to the 3 suggested above. > > If one performs the Homam, over period of time the deity will inspire saadhaka with right mantra and attitude. it is best to live with confusions and pray MahaGanapati to do anything and everything including removal of doubts. this is offcourse my attitude and people need not agree. > > Warm Regards, > > Utpal > > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Good Question, thanks for this, it would be nice to hear more on this subject. > > > > I feel that from one perspective all mantras do get you to same level > > at some point in time, if done with correct bhava and surrender etc .. > > > > What we want is chit shuddhi and to get there, there is evidence > > people have used different mantras and have reached similar higher levels of conscoiusness. > > > > But we still have many mantras too and people have very unique and differing opinion. Earlier I too felt differently about each mantra and was curious about it them, always wanting to do the most potent > > and powerful mantra so that the progress speeds up but off late > > I feel differently and agree with Narasimha and other to stick to > > one and that one mantra will do the trick, same with homa also > > > > I did some Lord Ganapati and then here and there lord krishna and goddess laxmi devi, lord narasimha dev etc and then due to winter stopped doing it, > > now I am gradually starting or thinking about them, may be start with > > lord ganapati homa and try to do it atleast 40 times or so and then > > may be observe at that time what is in store in the mind and also the external circumstances. > > > > For lord ganpati one mantra that resonates to me at this time is > > " Om Gam Gluam Ganpataye VighnaVinashine swaha " . Please pardon my spelling errors here. I am sure others feel strongly too about other mantras. > > > > I feel a lot of Lord Ganapati Mantras help removing obstacles, and there may be special mantras for special results or expectations, > > and a lot of people feel strongly about it. > > > > I feel that one cannot escape prarabdha karmas, when sanchit karmas take the form of prarabdha karmas, sometimes we get good direction and get special mantras and they may help but also at times even trying special mantras one seem to not get any help over prarabdha karma. It is all play of conciousness and unfolding or fruitification of karma. > > > > May be I digressed and moved in different direction, I thought it is important to see different mantras in the light of achiving progress in spiriruality, overcoming obstacles, and our curiocity at times help us get confused and lost. > > > > I do believe one should understand about different mantras and firmly pick quickly with conviction one and use that mantra for some period of time without expecting any results or quick expectations. Again this applies towards progress in spirituality and not for mantras for worldly expectations. That is a different thing altogether, for instance someone wants a child or someone wants to get married or overcome some challenges, there are mantras for it and one should consult experts on mantra shastra, and many times the karmas do play their role and to the extent possible it is better to let it play and be done with it and move forward. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> wrote: > > > > > > Pranam! > > > > > > As suggested by you i have switched over to Ganapati mantra. I picked on " om gam ganapataye namah " because it is short and simple. > > > > > > My curiousity has been aroused about the different " quality " of mantras. The above mantra is supposed to be a " moola " mantra and also a " bija " mantra for ganapati. Can you explain the significance of this?As a remover of obstacles which other mantra would you suggest for ganapati? i am drawn to " aum vakratundaya hum " also, but do not know how to pronounce the mantra correctly and neither do i know what is the " correct " intonation for this. Should i stick to one main mantra only? Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it mentally. Should i resist doing this since you have advised that i should do Ganapati mantra at least for a month? > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards and best wishes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Vinitaji, 1. Good that you have started. But, don't limit yourself to short version for ever. You do not have to follow short/medium/long version as if. You can take bits and pieces and do the homam your way. I have taken few from longer version, but, predominantly do the medium version. Starting with shorter version is good as you will easily get used to it. After a while, do look out side the shorter version and adapt your self. 2. I have a slightly different opinion. As Narasimha earlier mentioned, sticking to a mantra is better how ever, if you are drawn naturally to a specific mantra, I would advise against opposing it. Don't analyse much as to why you are drawn to a mantra on a specific mantra. The most important thing is concentration and devotion. By opposing some thing naturally coming you will more likely get distracted. During my homam, I do manny mantras, how ever, I repeat one mantram several times. 1) OM SrIM hrIM klIM glauM gaM gaNapatayE varavarada sarvajanaM mE vaSamAnaya svAhA$ 2) OM ga@NAnAM$ tvA ga@Napa#ti#f3;#e8; havAmahE ka@viM ka#vI@nAmu#pa@maSra#vastamaM| jyE#ShTa#rAjaM# brahma#NAM brahmaNaspata# A naH# SRu@NvannU@tibhi#ssIda@ sAda#naM || svAhA$| 3) gaNapati atharva SIrShaM 4) OM harE rAma harE rAma rAma rAma harE harE harE kRuShNa harE kRuShNa kRuShNa kRuShNa harE harE OM svAhA$ 4) OM harE rAma kRuShNa namaH svAhA$ 5) OM vinAyakAya svAhA$ 6) OM SrImallakShmInArAyaNAbhyAM namaH svAhA$ 7) gAyatri 8) mRutyunjaya maMtraM 9) OM namO bhagavatE nArasiMhAya svAhA$ 10) OM namO nArasiMhAya svAhA$ 11) OM vajranakhAya vidmahE tikShna daMShTrAya dhImahi nannOnArasiMhAya pracOdayAt OM svAhA$ 12) ugraM vIraM mahavishNuM jvalaMtaM sarvatO mukhaM nRusiMhaM bhIShaNaM bhadraM mRutyu mRutyuM namAmyahaM svAhA$ Best regards, Vijay , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Namaste Mitesh, > > it was a good notes from you. i enjoyed reading your frank thoughts. > > Namaste Vinitaji, > > >Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously > >towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it > > >mentally. > > In my opinion, if you have decided to perform Ganapati Homam, then no need to get confused about Mantra Selection during Homam. for Ganapati Homam, Narasimha has suggested to do 3 specific Mantars/Stotra. > Bija Mantra, Vedic Mantra and Atharvashirsha (pl. Refer the manual)- over and above it is perfectly fine to offer Aahutis with 'Mritunja Mahamantra or Gayatri Mantra or soime other nantra'. I used to offer initially Mritunjaya and Gayatri Mantra Aahuti during Ganapati Homam but now since a couple of months, i have discontinued that and only stick to the 3 suggested above. > > If one performs the Homam, over period of time the deity will inspire saadhaka with right mantra and attitude. it is best to live with confusions and pray MahaGanapati to do anything and everything including removal of doubts. this is offcourse my attitude and people need not agree. > > Warm Regards, > > Utpal > > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > Namaste > > > > Good Question, thanks for this, it would be nice to hear more on this subject. > > > > I feel that from one perspective all mantras do get you to same level > > at some point in time, if done with correct bhava and surrender etc .. > > > > What we want is chit shuddhi and to get there, there is evidence > > people have used different mantras and have reached similar higher levels of conscoiusness. > > > > But we still have many mantras too and people have very unique and differing opinion. Earlier I too felt differently about each mantra and was curious about it them, always wanting to do the most potent > > and powerful mantra so that the progress speeds up but off late > > I feel differently and agree with Narasimha and other to stick to > > one and that one mantra will do the trick, same with homa also > > > > I did some Lord Ganapati and then here and there lord krishna and goddess laxmi devi, lord narasimha dev etc and then due to winter stopped doing it, > > now I am gradually starting or thinking about them, may be start with > > lord ganapati homa and try to do it atleast 40 times or so and then > > may be observe at that time what is in store in the mind and also the external circumstances. > > > > For lord ganpati one mantra that resonates to me at this time is > > " Om Gam Gluam Ganpataye VighnaVinashine swaha " . Please pardon my spelling errors here. I am sure others feel strongly too about other mantras. > > > > I feel a lot of Lord Ganapati Mantras help removing obstacles, and there may be special mantras for special results or expectations, > > and a lot of people feel strongly about it. > > > > I feel that one cannot escape prarabdha karmas, when sanchit karmas take the form of prarabdha karmas, sometimes we get good direction and get special mantras and they may help but also at times even trying special mantras one seem to not get any help over prarabdha karma. It is all play of conciousness and unfolding or fruitification of karma. > > > > May be I digressed and moved in different direction, I thought it is important to see different mantras in the light of achiving progress in spiriruality, overcoming obstacles, and our curiocity at times help us get confused and lost. > > > > I do believe one should understand about different mantras and firmly pick quickly with conviction one and use that mantra for some period of time without expecting any results or quick expectations. Again this applies towards progress in spirituality and not for mantras for worldly expectations. That is a different thing altogether, for instance someone wants a child or someone wants to get married or overcome some challenges, there are mantras for it and one should consult experts on mantra shastra, and many times the karmas do play their role and to the extent possible it is better to let it play and be done with it and move forward. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " vinita kumar " <vinitakuma@> wrote: > > > > > > Pranam! > > > > > > As suggested by you i have switched over to Ganapati mantra. I picked on " om gam ganapataye namah " because it is short and simple. > > > > > > My curiousity has been aroused about the different " quality " of mantras. The above mantra is supposed to be a " moola " mantra and also a " bija " mantra for ganapati. Can you explain the significance of this?As a remover of obstacles which other mantra would you suggest for ganapati? i am drawn to " aum vakratundaya hum " also, but do not know how to pronounce the mantra correctly and neither do i know what is the " correct " intonation for this. Should i stick to one main mantra only? Today, the mahamrityunjaya mantra came spontaneously towards the end of the homam and i found myself reciting it mentally. Should i resist doing this since you have advised that i should do Ganapati mantra at least for a month? > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards and best wishes. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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