Guest guest Posted March 13, 2009 Report Share Posted March 13, 2009 Dear Shri Narasimha: I have a small question: During regular Gayatri Japam, we are recommended to not chant it aloud. During offering the same to the fire-god, is it ok to say it aloud (and swaahaa to it)? thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 You can pronounce the Gayatri along with Swaha mentally. It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. , " suvarnatejas " <suvarnatejas wrote: > > Dear Shri Narasimha: > > I have a small question: During regular Gayatri Japam, we are > recommended to not chant it aloud. During offering the same > to the fire-god, is it ok to say it aloud (and swaahaa to it)? > > thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Namaste, In general, when svAhA is added to the end of a mantra, there can be some changes to the intonation of the swaras at the end of the mantra. In addition, for some reason, there is a difference in the pronounciation of this mantra itself, when it is offered in homam (the chandas is different). If possible, please clarify this with your elders in person. bhavadIyaH, ajit On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:03 PM, suvarnatejas <suvarnatejas wrote: Dear Shri Narasimha:I have a small question: During regular Gayatri Japam, we arerecommended to not chant it aloud. During offering the same to the fire-god, is it ok to say it aloud (and swaahaa to it)?thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao wrote: > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? Thanks in advance. ../Dinesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2009 Report Share Posted March 14, 2009 Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. - In , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh wrote: > > , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > Thanks in advance. > ./Dinesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Namaste, Just an addition of a point to this. I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. Om suragarave namahRaviVijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. - In , "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh wrote: > > , "Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali" <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > Thanks in advance. > ./Dinesh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Dear Ravi: However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? Regards , Ravi Poruri <rporuri wrote: > > Namaste, > Just an addition of a point to this. > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > Om suragarave namah > Ravi > > > > > > ________________________________ > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > - In , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > ./Dinesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Namaste, The general rule is that any mantra chanting during a homam should be loud, atleast there should be little sound. However, this rule does not apply to Gayatri Mantra. You can chant Gayatri mantra while offerings are made in any Homam, Mahaganapathi, Chandi, Srikrishna etc, but in mind only. You can infact do a seperate homa for Savitru Gayatri consisting entirely of Gayatra Mantra. When you offer naivedyam, when you do praanayama etc also, do it mentally. That's what I meant when I said to keep it to oneself at all times. Hope it's clear now.RegardsRavisuvarnatejas <suvarnatejas Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:11:33 PM Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam Dear Ravi: However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? Regards , Ravi Poruri <rporuri > wrote: > > Namaste, > Just an addition of a point to this. > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > Om suragarave namah > Ravi > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao@.. .> > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > - In , "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > , "Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali" <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > ./Dinesh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 You will be mentally pronouncing the mantra. This is similar to reading a book with out reading aloud. This may be difficult in the beginning. Just hum the tune while remembering the actual words mentally. I am recording Om Namo Bhagavate Naarasimhaya in humming as an example. Listen to File > pronunciation > mantram1.wav After a while, you will be able to cut out the humming sound, but internally you will engage your vocal cord. After some time, even that can be avoided. Any japam when done mentally, gives you better results than when you pronounce aloud. Best regards, Vijay , " suvarnatejas " <suvarnatejas wrote: > > > Dear Ravi: > > However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends > offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how > one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. > Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? > > Regards > > , Ravi Poruri <rporuri@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Just an addition of a point to this. > > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > > > Om suragarave namah > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao@> > > > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > > > - In , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > > > , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > ./Dinesh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2009 Report Share Posted March 15, 2009 Ravi, I am surprised that there is a general rule that recommend us to read out mantra loud during homa. I thought the entire homam can be done with out making sound if we can do it. Once you get the mantra, it is much easier when we pronounce it loud. It takes much more effort to pronounce it completely mentally while keeping the correct swara. There were times when many of the mantras were secret (one may recall the story of Ramanuja giving out Om Namoe Narayanaaya to all. It was kept a secret for a long time). All the mantras are making our conversation with the gods during the mantra. The communication with Gods is at thought level and physical plane is not required. In fact, if ones internal fire is very strong, then even physical fire may not be really required. How ever, the internal fire in most of us is perhaps very weak. Best regards, Vijay Best regards, Vijay , Ravi Poruri <rporuri wrote: > > Namaste, > The general rule is that any mantra chanting during a homam should be > loud, atleast there should be little sound. However, this rule > does not apply to Gayatri Mantra. > You can chant Gayatri mantra while offerings are made in any Homam, Mahaganapathi, Chandi, Srikrishna etc, but in mind only. You can infact do a seperate homa for Savitru Gayatri consisting entirely of Gayatra Mantra. > When you offer naivedyam, when you do praanayama etc also, do it mentally. That's what I meant when I said to keep it to oneself at all times. > Hope it's clear now. > > Regards > Ravi > > > > > ________________________________ > suvarnatejas <suvarnatejas > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:11:33 PM > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > Dear Ravi: > > However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends > offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how > one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. > Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? > > Regards > > , Ravi Poruri <rporuri@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Just an addition of a point to this. > > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > > > Om suragarave namah > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao@ .> > > > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > > > - In , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > > > , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > ./Dinesh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Vijay, Narasimha said it is generally recommended by many to read out mantra loud during Homa, but according to him, even if you are chanting the mantra almost mentally, there should be a minimum sound produced, atleast by way of the movement of lips. When you are doing japam, however, it is better if there is no movement of the lips also. Here is an article /message/615 which talks about the Sabda and it's various levels.Warm RegardsRaviVijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:58:09 PM Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam Ravi, I am surprised that there is a general rule that recommend us to read out mantra loud during homa. I thought the entire homam can be done with out making sound if we can do it. Once you get the mantra, it is much easier when we pronounce it loud. It takes much more effort to pronounce it completely mentally while keeping the correct swara. There were times when many of the mantras were secret (one may recall the story of Ramanuja giving out Om Namoe Narayanaaya to all. It was kept a secret for a long time). All the mantras are making our conversation with the gods during the mantra. The communication with Gods is at thought level and physical plane is not required. In fact, if ones internal fire is very strong, then even physical fire may not be really required. How ever, the internal fire in most of us is perhaps very weak. Best regards, Vijay Best regards, Vijay , Ravi Poruri <rporuri > wrote: > > Namaste, > The general rule is that any mantra chanting during a homam should be > loud, atleast there should be little sound. However, this rule > does not apply to Gayatri Mantra. > You can chant Gayatri mantra while offerings are made in any Homam, Mahaganapathi, Chandi, Srikrishna etc, but in mind only. You can infact do a seperate homa for Savitru Gayatri consisting entirely of Gayatra Mantra. > When you offer naivedyam, when you do praanayama etc also, do it mentally. That's what I meant when I said to keep it to oneself at all times. > Hope it's clear now. > > Regards > Ravi > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > suvarnatejas <suvarnatejas@ ...> > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:11:33 PM > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > Dear Ravi: > > However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends > offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how > one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. > Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? > > Regards > > , Ravi Poruri <rporuri@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > Just an addition of a point to this. > > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > > > Om suragarave namah > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao@ .> > > > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > > > - In , "Dinesh Nambisan" <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > > > , "Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali" <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > ./Dinesh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Namaste friends, I am in Seoul, South Korea on office work for a week. I will not be able to send too many mails from here. I will write some quick points on this topic. Apart from the link given by Ravi, another relevant article is: /message/757 It talks about the best way to chant a mantra when doing japam vs when doing homam. Please read it. * * * Some people chant Gayatri mantra loud, while many traditional people do it silently. If one has experienced something with a mantra and chants it loud and lets other people hear it, some of the shakti is transmitted to other people. It is for this reason that getting a mantra from a guru's mouth is considered useful (assuming that guru has accumulated some shakti with the mantra). It is always a good idea to keep some mantras to yourself, as you do sadhana. In my case, Savitru Gayatri mantra gives me spiritual food and I am selfish with just that mantra. Which mantras to say loud and share with all and which mantras to keep personal can be an individual decision. It depends on which mantras are giving you some results. * * * When I chant Gayatri mantra in japam, I chant it without lips or vocal cords having ANY motion. Of course, still someone can " listen " . For example, when I met my guru in 2005, he made me do japam in front of him and made a correction at the end. Gross sound is heard using gross perception (ears) and subtle sound is heard using subtle perception. When I offer Gayatri mantra in fire, I chant it with a small movement of vocal cords. Some minimal vaikhari sound is produced. It is enough for the external fire to hear (at the gross level), but not enough for most people to hear with their ears. Though I am spending some energy in producing vaikhari sound (as opposed to using all the energy for producing subtler levels), it is not a wastage. This small vaikhari sound reaches fire and fire then magnifies it. The subtle sound generated by fire is higher than the subtle sound I can generate normally. * * * As Ajit correctly said, adding swaahaa to veda mantras may require some modification of intonation at the end. As he advised, seek advice from elders or gurus. If that is not possible, I suggest adding swaahaa after a small break. Say the mantra, then give a small break and then say " swaahaa " . In the case of Gayatri mantra, I can suggest the following: " Om <small break> tatsavitur .... prachodayaat <small break> Om swaahaa " Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org ---- Ravi Poruri <rporuri wrote: > Vijay, > Narasimha said it is generally recommended by many to read out mantra loud during Homa, but according to him, even if you are chanting the mantra almost mentally, there should be a minimum sound produced, atleast by way of the movement of lips. When you are doing japam, however, it is better if there is no movement of the lips also. > Here is an article /message/615 which talks about the Sabda and it's various levels. > > Warm Regards > Ravi > > > > > ________________________________ > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:58:09 PM > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > Ravi, > > I am surprised that there is a general rule that recommend us to read out mantra loud during homa. I thought the entire homam can be done with out making sound if we can do it. Once you get the mantra, it is much easier when we pronounce it loud. It takes much more effort to pronounce it completely mentally while keeping the correct swara. > > There were times when many of the mantras were secret (one may recall the story of Ramanuja giving out Om Namoe Narayanaaya to all. It was kept a secret for a long time). > > All the mantras are making our conversation with the gods during the mantra. The communication with Gods is at thought level and physical plane is not required. > > In fact, if ones internal fire is very strong, then even physical fire may not be really required. How ever, the internal fire in most of us is perhaps very weak. > > Best regards, > Vijay > Best regards, > Vijay > , Ravi Poruri <rporuri > wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > The general rule is that any mantra chanting during a homam should be > > loud, atleast there should be little sound. However, this rule > > does not apply to Gayatri Mantra. > > You can chant Gayatri mantra while offerings are made in any Homam, Mahaganapathi, Chandi, Srikrishna etc, but in mind only. You can infact do a seperate homa for Savitru Gayatri consisting entirely of Gayatra Mantra. > > When you offer naivedyam, when you do praanayama etc also, do it mentally. That's what I meant when I said to keep it to oneself at all times. > > Hope it's clear now. > > > > Regards > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > suvarnatejas <suvarnatejas@ ...> > > > > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:11:33 PM > > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > > > > > Dear Ravi: > > > > However in the Mahaganapati homam audio, Shri PVR recommends > > offering Gayatri mantra to the fire. I was wondering how > > one would do that if one cannot say it aloud. > > Are you saying it is not recommended to offer it? > > > > Regards > > > > , Ravi Poruri <rporuri@ > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > Just an addition of a point to this. > > > I was told that the Gayatri mantra is the main food for one's spirituality and hence it is advised to keep it to oneself, at all times. > > > > > > Om suragarave namah > > > Ravi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali <pvklnrao@ .> > > > > > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:31:36 PM > > > Re: Gayatri Mantra in Homam > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is recommended not to pronounce Gayathri even in private. You are advised to pronounce it mentally. If you can not do it, give out humming kind of sound while mentally chanting the mantra. > > > > > > - In , " Dinesh Nambisan " <dinesh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > , " Vijaya Kumara Lakshmi Narayana Rao Pingali " <pvklnrao@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is not advisable to pronounce Gayatri in any circumstance. > > > > > > > > I'm confused, can you please clarify this statement? Is one never supposed to chant/speak it out, even privately (generally, not specifically at Homam)? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > ./Dinesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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