Guest guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 Namaste :-) I mentioned that I don't desire to read any book for past 6 months or so. This message of Narasimha adds to that desireless ness. Even his compulsive critic would think before making any comments after reading this. Just a lighter comment. don't take seriously friends. nothing more is required to read on *The Mother Kundalini*. She will do the needful when time comes. sorry for the praise again. i couldn't actually contain myself. Best Regards, Utpal , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > Whatever is one's path, Kundalini is not only awakened but goes to Sahasrara > when one is established in undifferentiated Self. Even if one does not think > in those terms, it still happens. It is incorrect to say that one can > realize the highest truths without Kundalini awakened. A more accurate > statement would be that one can realize the highest truths without engaging > in any specific practices geared at awakening or raising Kundalini. > > Some people following the so-called " Kundalini yoga " or other raja/hatha > yoga paths specifically try to awaken Kundalini. However, such practices are > not at all needed for awakening Kundalini. People belonging to various > traditions and paths, not just limited to Hinduism, can experience Kundalini > awakening, without knowing anything about the name or the symbolism. There > are a lot of misconceptions about Kundalini. > > * * * > > Kundalini is essentially the force of one's self-awareness. Awakened and > raised kundalini implies a more refined and higher self-awareness. > > At the lowest level, we bind our selves to specific bodies and our > self-awareness is limited to a body, a name and other things associated with > the body and name. This experience of self as a body corresponds to > Kundalini sleeping at Mooladhara. At the highest level, we are the > undifferentiated Self, known as Brahman, that is all-pervading. This > 'experience' of self corresponds to Kundalini at Sahasrara. As > self-awareness goes from the former to the latter, it may traverse through > many stages in between. Correspondingly, many experiences are possible. > > * * * > > Kundalini rises as high as it can when it awakens for the first time, like a > spring suppressed for a long time. However, it comes down again and the > process of rise from then onwards will be slower, Kundalini will work its > way up while the nadis are continuously cleaned (i.e. undesirable > conditioning of mind is cleaned). When Kundalini rises high at the time of > awakening, it may encounter impurities in nadis and yet rise high through > the impurities. This may manifest physically as a powerful experience > similar to heavy electricity flowing in the back. > > There are thousands of nadis in the sookshma sareera. The exact path taken > by Kundalini as it rises for the first time is not fixed. It may change from > person to person, based on the impurities in various nadis. The exact > " experience " will vary depending on the path traversed and the final point > reached by self-awareness (kundalini), before withdrawal. > > I actually know one person who had kundalini awakening, rise to Sahasrara > and samadhi for 7 days, all happening at the same time. His nadis had > already been purified. Once kundalini awakened, he directly went into > samadhi, stayed there for 7 days and came back as a fully realized person. > But it is a much longer journey for most. > > Saying " this is what happens in a Kundalini awakening " is difficult. The > exact experience changes from person to person, depending on the path > traversed the final point reached by Kundalini. However, I can say one thing > confidently: Once Kundalini truly awakens and rises, one will not have any > confusion about what happened. But, until kundalini awakening occurs, one > may confuse various other experiences (such as some movement of vayu in > various nadis) for kundalini movement and wrongly think that kundalini is > awakened. > > * * * > > Sensation like ants or worms crawling along the spine or in the head are NOT > due to kundalini awakening or rise. That can be due to a little vaayu > flowing in various nadis. This can be a premonitory sign (but not a > guarantee) of kundalini awakening. Same thing can be said about the > sensation of tilting to one side (back or left or right) or the sensation > of having completely fallen back (even though one is sitting normally in > reality). There are several such premonitory signs. > > * * * > > As a reference, I can narrate the experience of ONE person. He was > meditating with a Veda mantra everyday. His guru had told him a few months > earlier that his time for Kundalini awakening had come. However, he had > absolutely no idea what kundalini was and was totally uninformed about > nadis, chakras and kundalini. He did not engage in any specific raja/hatha > yoga practices. All he did was to sit with his back erect and eyes closed > and meditate with a veda mantra. In the weeks before kundalini awakening, he > started experiencing various premonitory signs. He guru told him not to be > distracted by them and to keep the focus on the mantra and try to forget > everything else. When mind starts dwelling on an experience, it gets stuck > there and cannot go higher. > > When he was meditating oneday, his mind was perfectly and intensely focused > on the mantra and other thoughts ceased momentarily. Suddenly he became > aware of his body. It felt like there was a really tremendous explosion at > the base of his spine. Then it felt like a huge amount of electric current > was going up his spine from the base. Then it felt like he was not a body > but a small point. Then it felt like he was going up like a rocket at a > tremendous speed. Then it felt like there was a tremendously bright white > light and there was nothing else. It felt like he was not a small point in > that light, but he was the light itself. There was an undescribable sense of > peace and happiness. Suddenly, from nowhere, a thought came " what is this? > What happened to my body? I have responsibilities still. " Then he became > aware of himself as a body sitting in pooja room. When he left pooja room > and went out, he felt great love for everyone and happiness. For example, a > serial was coming on TV and characters in the serial that he normally > disliked for their shallow personalities suddenly felt like real people and > he had great love and compassion for those TV serial characters (and other > real people too). That state of love and compassion lasted a while and then > he was normal. > > This short experience was only the beginning of a journey. He experienced > many things later on. These experiences were different from each other. As I > said earlier, the experience varies based on the path traversed and the > point reached by the self-awareness (kundalini). On various occasions, > kundalini rose and he saw several sights and several beings within and heard > several sounds, including veda mantras and beejaaksharas, again within. > > He realized the transientness of a lot that we cling on to and the existence > of something far higher and more permanent. > > All this slowly started to change his attitude. His senses turned inwards > and he critically started to analyze his own thoughts and motives and worked > on correcting his attitude. The impact of what was happening around him, > what others did and said started to make lesser and lesser impact on him. > Luckily, he had a guru who put things in perspective and said that kundalini > awakening was just a beginning and the real work was ahead. Depending on > one's readiness, that real work can take many many years or even lives. > > * * * > > Kundalini awakening is only a beginning. It is not an end. Even the rise of > kundalini to a chakra is not an end. In fact, a big percentage of people > with awakened kundalini end up getting stuck at mooladhara itself. Very few > make it to the next chakra or the one after, but end up getting stuck there. > Very very few make it to higher chakras. And a very small minority actually > realise self. > > Complete overcoming of ego and sthita prajnataa described by Sri Krishna in > BhagavadGita is the only real end goal of sadhana, whether you are into raja > yoga or karma yoga or bhakti yoga or jnaana yoga. Thinking of a mystical > experience can only distract one from this goal. I urge sadhakas, especially > those who respect my advice, to forget about kundalini and chakras and just > keep doing homam and japam (or whatever path they have chosen), keep > purifying themselves with sadhana, keep working on their attitude and > thought process and keep improving self-control. When (or as) mind becomes > purified and one overcomes ego, whatever needs to happen with kundalini WILL > happen automatically. Thinking of things in terms of kundalini and mystical > experiences is a big deterrent rather than a boost, in one's spiritual > sadhana. Instead of trying to manipulate kundalini, try to manipulate the > way your mind works and perfect your self-control. Kundalini will > automatically follow. One will do well to remember these words. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > - > " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak > > Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:30 PM > Re: Urdhwa-Retas > > > Namaste, > > Relevant to this on going subject, i remember reading autobiography of Shri > Yogeshwarji (Prakah na Panthe) in which he had mentioned that Kundalini > Awakening is not mandatory for realization. A person can realize highest > truth without experience of Kundali awakening. > > Warm Regards, > > Utpal > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > Namaste > > > > Kundalini Awakening is more than this, it is not very easy to describe and > > do justice. It is no use to get bits and pieces. > > > > Please read some good books on it, there are quite a few good ones > > from Swami Muktananda his book " Chiti Leela " . Swami ShivomTirth also wrote > > very good books that extensively cover this in a very special way. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > > >  > > > When praana and apaana combine for the first time, it may feel like an > > > explosion within one > > >  > > > Is this " esplosion " what is known as Kundalini Awakening? > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > > Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > > > > > Saturday, 7 March, 2009, 9:28 AM > > > > > >  > > > Namaste, > > >  > > > Praana is the movement in consciousness that sustains the lifeforce. > > > Apaana is the downward force. When one attains a perfect focus on a > > > mantra and distracting thoughts cease, praana moves downward from > > > lungs/stomach and apaana moves upward. After praana and apaana combine, > > > they can move upward at a rapid speed. > > >  > > > When praana and apaana combine for the first time, it may feel like an > > > explosion within one. As praana moves up, it will feel like one is freed > > > from the body and one does not exist. This is similar to death, except > > > that there is fear and confusion at death and one may feel a kind of > > > bliss when this happens during meditation. However, if one's focus on > > > mantra relaxes and one become " aware of " the experience and starts > > > analyzing it with the rational mind, there is a chance of one becoming > > > worried and confused. So one should sustain the state where there is > > > full focus on mantra and no other distractions, for as long as possible. > > >  > > > These things happen automatically without thinking about them and > > > engaging in any specific practicies. In fact, thinking about them, > > > desiring them and doing specific practices may become an obstacle and > > > delay things. If you surrender to a deity and do a mantra with a high > > > level of focus, that is enough. Do NOT run after any experience and > > > think of an experience as an end result. The focus should be mantra and > > > mantra alone. > > >  > > > Even when an experience occurs, I tell people to not be tied to it and > > > not think too much about it. > > >  > > > Suchaka dream is a vision of something that is going to happen. > > >  > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > > - > > > rajarshi nandy > > > > > > Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:17 AM > > > Re: Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > > > > > Namaste > > >  > > > One feels a strange coolness on the skin and on the eyes. > > > A few repititions of the mantra bring about a situation where the deity > > > possesses the sadhaka and the sadhaka's prana goes upward very > > > quickly( Urdhwa Retas), > > > During all meditation the sadhaka sees the feet or clothes or hands or > > > face, etc of the deity sitting beside him along with minute details of > > > the room (even though the sadhak's eyes are closed). > > > The sadhak typically becomes dreamless except for suchaka dreams. > > > The whole day the sadhaka behaves like a love lorn person. How can i > > > again experience the Beloved. > > >  > > > What exactly is urdhwa retas and the experineces of prana going up? How > > > does it really feel? > > >  > > > What is suchaka dreams? > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > > Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > > > > > Tuesday, 3 March, 2009, 6:56 AM > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Sorry, the thing to repeat should be: > > > > > > Om tatsavitur .... prachodayaat Om > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > > - > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > > > > Monday, March 02, 2009 8:24 PM > > > Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > > Namaste friends, > > >  > > > This is what I recommend: > > >  > > > Say " Om Bhur bhuvah suvah " once in the beginning. Then start repeating > > > the following: > > >  > > > Om tatsavitur .... varenyam Om > > >  > > > This is what should be repeated for one mala or two malas or, as Manish > > > said below, 10 malas. > > >  > > > *       *       * > > >  > > > I know something about Manish. He has the rare ability to transform > > > normal people into instruments of the divine and egoistic people into > > > detached persons fulfilling their dharma without ego. I know that there > > > is some power in his words. The following is a specific advice from him > > > in vaikhari. Those who are interested can try following it. > > >  > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > > > > - > > > Murahari Vadapalli > > > > > > Monday, March 02, 2009 6:50 PM > > > Re: Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > When reciting gayatri, should we start from " Om bhur bhuva swah tat sa > > > ..... " or > > > " Om tat sa vitur varendyam " > > > Please clarify. > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > --Murahari > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> > > > Fw: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: > > > Resolving Points) > > > , sohamsa@ .com, > > > vedic astrology, > > > Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 6:54 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > >  > > > My guru Dr Manish Pandit sent me a few comments on this thread. I am > > > forwarding his comments as they are. > > >  > > > Sometimes, he can be difficult to understand and something he says may > > > become clear only after a few years. But it is my experience that he > > > does not waste words. > > >  > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- > > >  > > > - > > > Manish Pandit > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > Monday, March 02, 2009 8:09 AM > > > Re: On Remedial Measures Difference (Re: Resolving Points) > > > > > >  > > > Dear Narasimha, > > >  > > > When the sadhaka effaces his own personality such that the deity of the > > > mantra comes and occupies him, then at that stage there is > > > no real difference between the sadhaka and the Deity(even if the deity > > > is with the sadhaka all day I would say that there is no real > > > difference). > > > The difference that one feels is as follows: > > > One feels a strange coolness on the skin and on the eyes. > > > A few repititions of the mantra bring about a situation where the deity > > > possesses the sadhaka and the sadhaka's prana goes upward very > > > quickly( Urdhwa Retas), > > > During all meditation the sadhaka sees the feet or clothes or hands or > > > face, etc of the deity sitting beside him along with minute details of > > > the room (even though the sadhak's eyes are closed). > > > The sadhak typically becomes dreamless except for suchaka dreams. > > > The whole day the sadhaka behaves like a love lorn person. How can i > > > again experience the Beloved. > > > That then is the experience of mantra when it is done correctly. > > > When the sadhak's personality is effaced such that the deity's > > > personality sits there then the sadhak experiences himself as that > > > Deity(Devata) . > > > There then arises no difference in the sadhak or the deity commanding a > > > certain thing to happen( be it what appears to be good or be it that > > > which appears to be bad) . The deity's personality is crucial. Ugra > > > devatas make the person care almost for nothing himself, so self > > > identification is minimised and the person's spiritual evolution > > > continues. > > > Remember, there is very little according to me which is black magic. > > > It is all a use of Shakti. If your Shakti and deity is a higher shakti > > > such as Prachand Chandika, MahaKali, Tara, Chinnamasta, then your power > > > will be that of God himself( Provided you have Vijnana). After the death > > > of the body, such a sadhaka joins the realm of the deity or if he was > > > originally a Nath or a Muni goes to a separate realm reserved for these > > > beings. > > > Attacking such a sadhak brings the full bearing of karma onto the heads > > > of the attackers and some people may realise this to their detriment( > > > Patan comes from Jalandhar Nath burying the city of Patan with his > > > Shakti causing an earthquake). Some people may even equate this with > > > black magic. Here there is only action and reaction.(Bit like you attack > > > a normal person, and you will get a result of this from that same Atma > > > whom you harmed maybe 5 to 10 lifetimes later. But if you attack > > > somebody who is identifying with the universe and has very few karmas > > > left, then the Universe itself attacks you, because your attack is not > > > on the sadhaka, but on his identification, ie God or the universe). > > > If people persist in using the Shakti possesed by a small Pisacha, > > > Bhuta, then there is only a little Shakti which can be used, moreover > > > then their minds and intellects will not be free of identification with > > > the body and so their actions are those which are generally termed as > > > black magic. These people usually join the same spirits which they have > > > been using after death, this is not an enjoyable experience. > > > Imagine if somebody is worshipping Chandika for a few lifetimes, then > > > even in this birth he or she is drawn to that deity and such a sadhak > > > may acheive after a few repitions of a mantra(because of his previous > > > effort). > > > On the other hand somebody doing this mantra only in this lifetime may > > > feel that the 64 things which bind every mantra are crucial and may not > > > acheive in this lifetime. > > > According to me the proof of the pudding is in the eating, so let me > > > suggest an easy sadhana. > > > If one is so inclined, then starting on some good day, do 1000 > > > reititions of the Savitri(some call this the Gayatri, but the real > > > Gayatri is hidden) every day, main constraints > > > Same time every day. > > > Same place. > > > Same materials. > > > Same direction. > > > As little movement as one can. > > > Count on rudraksha or Tulsi as is your inclination. > > > Complete restraint on sex(from the mind and the body, not just the > > > body), reduce food intake, grow a beard. > > > Do not eat 2 hrs before you start, make sure your bowels are empty > > > before you start. > > > Continue this for 100 days and do this whole procedure 3 times. > > > See the difference in your personality before and after. > > > Long and short , what is important is that life may be short, so do some > > > sadhana, and persist with that sadhana for as long as is physically > > > possible. > > > I hope this clarifies some of the concepts which were being discussed. > > >  > > > Kind Love and Regards > > > manish > > > You may post this on the list as a clarification from me if you feel > > > that this is suitable. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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