Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear Raju, >I am a normal humanbeing..and desires are thre in me.. i hope i haven't hert you. i didn't write with the intention to belittle you or giving a theoritical lecture. if my message has given that feeling or it has created any feeling of complex or guilt in you,then i am sorry. most are not vignani here. you and me included. yesterday i recited durga saptashati where in i was never in to it mentally. my mind was wandering in my professional and other matters.... do you remember 'SO WHAT and SOHAM'? to kya hua? Jaisi Maa ki Ichchha. my main point to convey you and others is that we have to start at some point in our life to struggle for Truth. till now we were living and praying to god only for getting some thing or the other like money, flat, luxuries, good marks in exams, acadamic degree, fame, respect, importance, wife, children, their comfort, our comfort,career growth and infinite things. if we honestly judge, most of us have never loved god in real sense. it was mostly bagging for our maintanance of body and ego. Now i am sure that when one starts struggle for truth, it will be a real fierce struggle which will test one to the core. one might cry, feel frustrated, agitated, helpless, fallen, ruined, elated during this period. to fight selfishness and achieve desirelessness is NO easy thing. I am very happy that you have now started doing Homa every day. please forget about the feelings during Homam and after that. let it come and go. the other day you called me from Mumbai. i could feel your hapiness from you voice. thanks to our dear Guruji Shri PVR Narasimha Rao Garu for the begining of bringing this change for us. Regardlessly Yours, Utpal , rajesh rajgor <rajesh_rajgor2003 wrote: > > Dear Utpal, > > I would not deny this fact that i asked the question of performing homam from everyside keeping in mind the statement made by vijayji..I am a normal humanbeing..and desires are thre in me.. > > Honestly i do homam everyday .. and each day i find different experience... i have been doing this homam since past few months.. and since past few days i am doing everyday.. i keep it a point .. to not to miss a single day... and see the magic.. inspite of my busy schedules i can devote atleast 40 to 45 minutes each day for this homam and that had made difference to my life.. sometimes after doing homam my feelings are so great.. sometimes average.. sometimes it is not good also.. why? i think it all depends on your state of mind at the time of homam.. right? whatever may be the case, i do it everyday and i will do it in future also.. > > But, worldly pleasures like fame, power, materialistic welfare attracts me still.. and i tend to think that way.. it seems that still i have not reached to that stage where nothing would atttract me.. but i am sure most of us would be having similar kind of feelings..sometimes i am worried.. if i am doing homam, then this kind of desires should not come to my mind.. but it comes.. then i feel that i am not giving my 100% to it.. or i am lacking sadhna.. i am lacking dedication...What could be the reason? what should i do to come out of this? > > Regards, > > Rajesh > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Which is a big sin/karma > > Friday, 6 March, 2009, 2:33 AM > > > > > > Dear Raju, > > > > >As for bali... i normally use any fruit.. and after offering six >pieces, balance part of fruit is not consumed by me .. it is >thrown..but for example.. i purchase one killo grapes.. and each >day i use six grapes out of full bunch for balli.. and next day >another six grapes out of that bunch... will that be ok? > > > > Why are you asking such difficult questions?:? (. > > > > Yesterday, i didn't have fruit for Bali. I took out some Kishmish in my palm from a packet full of Kishmish. It was 8 in Nos. i used 6 for bali and 2 were put in to nirmaalya bag. > > > > by the way if you are using fruit for Bali, then why you don't try to make 6 pieces out of the fruit? so that nothing needs to be desposed off. just a suggetion. > > > > *** > > >Can we do mahaganapathi homam by sitting in different directions?. . >Like i have heard that each direction has its own importance.. > > > > I know why you have asked this question. it is because vijay gave the following details some time back. > > > > East: Spiritual progress > > West: Fame > > South: Longevity/Health (Yama) > > North: Money (Kubera) > > > > Bhai Paisa no ke Prasidhhi no vichar chhe ke Shu?. this is a problem Raju. Vijay gave this details as an answer to clarify some query but see it has created a kind of motives other than spiritual progress, in many of us. now this thing will keep on lingering in our mind for long unless we mercilessly remove it. even Narasimha mentioned few days back that Mamara is for Money, White til for Spiritual progress etc.. and that was also sufficient for creating ripples. > > > > Narsimha, in his mnual, has categorically mentioned this (I don't know if he wish to revisit and change that)- > > > > [ > > Similarly, you have to be careful if you perform a homam for certain material goals (such as > > getting money, attracting someone, destroying someone etc). If you perform a homam just to > > show your love to god, cleanse yourself spiritually and make yourself worthy of divine > > communion, then there are no risks. The procedure taught in this document is based on the > > teachings of rishis and it is safe for anybody to use. Small mistakes will not result in any > > punishment. > > In fact, it is expected that everybody who uses this document is interested in only the second > > kind of goal, i.e. spiritual cleansing and upliftment > > ] > > > > BUT important thing is that, the knowledge provided by Narasimha and vijay about Different materials for Aahuti and Direction respectively, can be used for *other Jan Hitaay*. i mean don't use it for ourself but can be used for a person who is dire difficulty of Finance/Health etc... for example, if you know somebody who is in a trouble due to financial crisis, you can suggest him to do some japa facing North Direction. for health matters, south direction can be suggested and finally thinking 'Neki kar aur dariya me dal' or 'Krishnarpana' or 'Shivarpana' > > > > I asked the same question to my guru initially. he told me that when i perform atleast 10 homa myself and become proficient in the ritual then i may think of performing it at other's home. You can ask your friends to join you and sit while you are performing the homam at you house. if they are really intrested they will come and then leave it to Mahaganapati. if he wishes, they will also start taking serious intrest. > > > > lastly, Narasimha can answer you better for all the questions. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > , rajesh rajgor <rajesh_rajgor2003@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Narsimhaji / Utpal, > > > > > > Can we do mahaganapathi homam by sitting in different directions?. . Like i have heard that each direction has its own importance.. I normally sit facing east and doing homam every day.. but for a change or for betterment is it ok if i do homam every day by sitting in different direction,? sometimes facing east, sometimes facing west., north and south? I would be happy if varous hands movements as shown by shri narsimhaji in video can be explained to us.. so that we also can perform.. during chanting ''AAVAHITO BHAV.. SANNIHOTO BHAV...ETC.. " > > > > > > I have few other friends who would like to be a part of this homam.. is it possible if i go to their house and would perform homam in their front... so that they will observe me doing this and then they can do it by themself.. I know i am not perfect by myself yet.. but my intention is to help them performing this homam. this is how i can encourage others and they also can get the benefit of this.. > > > > > > As for bali.. i normally use any fruit.. and after offering six pieces, balance part of fruit is not consumed by me .. it is thrown..but for example.. i purchase one killo grapes.. and each day i use six grapes out of full bunch for balli.. and next day another six grapes out of that bunch.. will that be ok? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> > > > Re: Which is a big sin/karma > > > > > > Friday, 6 March, 2009, 1:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a very good question by Krishna Kanth. i remember one of my friends discussed with me about the same in good old malgudi days. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that this dilemma is faced by many many more. > > > > > > as our narasimha said, refrain from giving if you know before that it will be misused. It is ideal NOT TO feel that you are giving or helping or favouring. it is best to think that " Maa ka tha, maa ne merese leke kisi aur ko diya " then i think balance sheet will tally. > > > > > > > > > > > > but most of us are yet to reach that exalted state and therfore I have a good proverb (Excellent proverb in my opinion for such tricky situation) for such dilemma > > > > > > > > > > > > " Neki Kar aur Dariya me dal " > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the money you gave was used for a sin, you will get a portion of the sin. > > > > > > > But it is usually less than the punya you get. When you know ahead that the > > > > > > > money will be misused, do not give to that person. When you do not know, > > > > > > > take a chance and give it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you donate with pride and ego, the negative effect of the bad deeds done > > > > > > > with that money are increased. If you donate without pride and thinking that > > > > > > > god is using you to give god's money to god, then the negative effects of > > > > > > > the bad deeds done with that money are minimized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " kritels " <kritels@ > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:18 AM > > > > > > > Which is a big sin/karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have once heard from one of your Astrology classes (mo3 files) that when > > > > > > > > you donate money to the beggars you might get bad karma (becasue of the > > > > > > > > misuse of that money by them), i have stopped giving money to all those > > > > > > > > road side beggars now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, in my mind i'm having a bad feeling for not giving them money > > > > > > > > whenever i see them asking me for alms. Again the thought of accruing > > > > > > > > unnecessary karma..is stopping me. Can you plese clarify which is a big > > > > > > > > sin / karma of these two. (karma of not giving alms to those beggars vs > > > > > > > > getting karma of their misuse). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Krishna Kanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: I totally agree with your point of the bad karma becuase of misuse of > > > > > > > > the money we donate, but this is putting in a fix with the thought that > > > > > > > > probably i'm not able to help the really needy guys (i typically only use > > > > > > > > to give money to very disabled and elderly people). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 Dear UtpalYour talk will never hurt me..and you should not think that way.. you are telling what you feel right... and i respect your feelings and you know that well.. sometimes truth is bitter to accept but then you donot have any choice except to accept it..well I just shared what i felt.. that day on fone also.. well one thing is for sure.. i feel that i am on the right path..and i am with the right people.. thanks to narsimhaji.. and i would thank you first.. because of you i got in to this site.. i know i am lacking so much.. i am not trying to become modest here.. but yeah i will have to work very very hard to be in this line..it reminds me one very good duha of KABIRJIJAB "MEIN" THA TAB TU NAHI.. AB TU HEIN "MEIN" NAHIPREM GALI ATI SANKARI.. JAA MEIN DO NA SAMAIHere in this, kabirji had nicely said "MEIN" i.e our ego is our enemy.. and if you have ego in you, you will never be able to reach to god. as road to god is so narrow.. one person only can walk on that road.. two cannot accomodate in it. you have to remove your ego from you..then only you can walk on that road which would take you to god..this is difficult sadhna.. and we all are working very hard for this only. but everybody is having different karmas and different sadhnas.. but each one has one goal and that is to reach to god.. this reminds me one more dua of sant KABIRJIKABIR KUVA EK HEIN.. PANIHARI ANEKBARTAN SABKE NYAARE NYAARE.. PANI SABMEIN EKyou also said it correct to fight selflishness or achive desirelessness is not easy.. but then after doing homam also i get this desires..so i was thinking that what is the use of doing homam if i cannot control my desires? i also know this fact that i would not get in life what i have desired for.. i will get what i deserves.. i just tried to analyse my feelings.. and i tried to be true to myself..i think that is very difficult.. and now most difficult things has become easy for me..thank you and narsimhaji for that..regards,rajesh--- On Fri, 6/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Which is a big sin/karma - rajesh Date: Friday, 6 March, 2009, 4:39 AM Dear Raju, >I am a normal humanbeing.. and desires are thre in me.. i hope i haven't hert you. i didn't write with the intention to belittle you or giving a theoritical lecture. if my message has given that feeling or it has created any feeling of complex or guilt in you,then i am sorry. most are not vignani here. you and me included. yesterday i recited durga saptashati where in i was never in to it mentally. my mind was wandering in my professional and other matters.... do you remember 'SO WHAT and SOHAM'? to kya hua? Jaisi Maa ki Ichchha. my main point to convey you and others is that we have to start at some point in our life to struggle for Truth. till now we were living and praying to god only for getting some thing or the other like money, flat, luxuries, good marks in exams, acadamic degree, fame, respect, importance, wife, children, their comfort, our comfort,career growth and infinite things. if we honestly judge, most of us have never loved god in real sense. it was mostly bagging for our maintanance of body and ego. Now i am sure that when one starts struggle for truth, it will be a real fierce struggle which will test one to the core. one might cry, feel frustrated, agitated, helpless, fallen, ruined, elated during this period. to fight selfishness and achieve desirelessness is NO easy thing. I am very happy that you have now started doing Homa every day. please forget about the feelings during Homam and after that. let it come and go. the other day you called me from Mumbai. i could feel your hapiness from you voice. thanks to our dear Guruji Shri PVR Narasimha Rao Garu for the begining of bringing this change for us. Regardlessly Yours, Utpal , rajesh rajgor <rajesh_rajgor2003@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Utpal, > > I would not deny this fact that i asked the question of performing homam from everyside keeping in mind the statement made by vijayji..I am a normal humanbeing.. and desires are thre in me.. > > Honestly i do homam everyday .. and each day i find different experience.. . i have been doing this homam since past few months.. and since past few days i am doing everyday.. i keep it a point .. to not to miss a single day... and see the magic.. inspite of my busy schedules i can devote atleast 40 to 45 minutes each day for this homam and that had made difference to my life.. sometimes after doing homam my feelings are so great.. sometimes average.. sometimes it is not good also... why? i think it all depends on your state of mind at the time of homam.. right? whatever may be the case, i do it everyday and i will do it in future also.. > > But, worldly pleasures like fame, power, materialistic welfare attracts me still.. and i tend to think that way.. it seems that still i have not reached to that stage where nothing would atttract me.. but i am sure most of us would be having similar kind of feelings..sometimes i am worried.. if i am doing homam, then this kind of desires should not come to my mind.. but it comes.. then i feel that i am not giving my 100% to it.. or i am lacking sadhna.. i am lacking dedication... .What could be the reason? what should i do to come out of this? > > Regards, > > Rajesh > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> > Re: Which is a big sin/karma > > Friday, 6 March, 2009, 2:33 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raju, > > > > >As for bali... i normally use any fruit.. and after offering six >pieces, balance part of fruit is not consumed by me .. it is >thrown..but for example.. i purchase one killo grapes.. and each >day i use six grapes out of full bunch for balli.. and next day >another six grapes out of that bunch... will that be ok? > > > > Why are you asking such difficult questions?:? (. > > > > Yesterday, i didn't have fruit for Bali. I took out some Kishmish in my palm from a packet full of Kishmish. It was 8 in Nos. i used 6 for bali and 2 were put in to nirmaalya bag. > > > > by the way if you are using fruit for Bali, then why you don't try to make 6 pieces out of the fruit? so that nothing needs to be desposed off. just a suggetion. > > > > *** > > >Can we do mahaganapathi homam by sitting in different directions?. . >Like i have heard that each direction has its own importance.. > > > > I know why you have asked this question. it is because vijay gave the following details some time back. > > > > East: Spiritual progress > > West: Fame > > South: Longevity/Health (Yama) > > North: Money (Kubera) > > > > Bhai Paisa no ke Prasidhhi no vichar chhe ke Shu?. this is a problem Raju. Vijay gave this details as an answer to clarify some query but see it has created a kind of motives other than spiritual progress, in many of us. now this thing will keep on lingering in our mind for long unless we mercilessly remove it. even Narasimha mentioned few days back that Mamara is for Money, White til for Spiritual progress etc.. and that was also sufficient for creating ripples. > > > > Narsimha, in his mnual, has categorically mentioned this (I don't know if he wish to revisit and change that)- > > > > [ > > Similarly, you have to be careful if you perform a homam for certain material goals (such as > > getting money, attracting someone, destroying someone etc). If you perform a homam just to > > show your love to god, cleanse yourself spiritually and make yourself worthy of divine > > communion, then there are no risks. The procedure taught in this document is based on the > > teachings of rishis and it is safe for anybody to use. Small mistakes will not result in any > > punishment. > > In fact, it is expected that everybody who uses this document is interested in only the second > > kind of goal, i.e. spiritual cleansing and upliftment > > ] > > > > BUT important thing is that, the knowledge provided by Narasimha and vijay about Different materials for Aahuti and Direction respectively, can be used for *other Jan Hitaay*. i mean don't use it for ourself but can be used for a person who is dire difficulty of Finance/Health etc... for example, if you know somebody who is in a trouble due to financial crisis, you can suggest him to do some japa facing North Direction. for health matters, south direction can be suggested and finally thinking 'Neki kar aur dariya me dal' or 'Krishnarpana' or 'Shivarpana' > > > > I asked the same question to my guru initially. he told me that when i perform atleast 10 homa myself and become proficient in the ritual then i may think of performing it at other's home. You can ask your friends to join you and sit while you are performing the homam at you house. if they are really intrested they will come and then leave it to Mahaganapati. if he wishes, they will also start taking serious intrest. > > > > lastly, Narasimha can answer you better for all the questions. > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > Utpal > > > > , rajesh rajgor <rajesh_rajgor2003@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Narsimhaji / Utpal, > > > > > > Can we do mahaganapathi homam by sitting in different directions?. . Like i have heard that each direction has its own importance.. I normally sit facing east and doing homam every day.. but for a change or for betterment is it ok if i do homam every day by sitting in different direction,? sometimes facing east, sometimes facing west., north and south? I would be happy if varous hands movements as shown by shri narsimhaji in video can be explained to us.. so that we also can perform.. during chanting ''AAVAHITO BHAV.. SANNIHOTO BHAV...ETC.. " > > > > > > I have few other friends who would like to be a part of this homam.. is it possible if i go to their house and would perform homam in their front... so that they will observe me doing this and then they can do it by themself.. I know i am not perfect by myself yet.. but my intention is to help them performing this homam. this is how i can encourage others and they also can get the benefit of this.. > > > > > > As for bali.. i normally use any fruit.. and after offering six pieces, balance part of fruit is not consumed by me .. it is thrown..but for example.. i purchase one killo grapes.. and each day i use six grapes out of full bunch for balli.. and next day another six grapes out of that bunch.. will that be ok? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/3/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> > > > Re: Which is a big sin/karma > > > > > > Friday, 6 March, 2009, 1:26 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > this is a very good question by Krishna Kanth. i remember one of my friends discussed with me about the same in good old malgudi days. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure that this dilemma is faced by many many more. > > > > > > as our narasimha said, refrain from giving if you know before that it will be misused. It is ideal NOT TO feel that you are giving or helping or favouring. it is best to think that "Maa ka tha, maa ne merese leke kisi aur ko diya" then i think balance sheet will tally. > > > > > > > > > > > > but most of us are yet to reach that exalted state and therfore I have a good proverb (Excellent proverb in my opinion for such tricky situation) for such dilemma > > > > > > > > > > > > "Neki Kar aur Dariya me dal" > > > > > > > > > > > > Warm Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Utpal > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the money you gave was used for a sin, you will get a portion of the sin. > > > > > > > But it is usually less than the punya you get. When you know ahead that the > > > > > > > money will be misused, do not give to that person. When you do not know, > > > > > > > take a chance and give it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you donate with pride and ego, the negative effect of the bad deeds done > > > > > > > with that money are increased. If you donate without pride and thinking that > > > > > > > god is using you to give god's money to god, then the negative effects of > > > > > > > the bad deeds done with that money are minimized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "kritels" <kritels@ > > > > > > > > <> > > > > > > > Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:18 AM > > > > > > > Which is a big sin/karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskaram Sri Narasimha Garu, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have once heard from one of your Astrology classes (mo3 files) that when > > > > > > > > you donate money to the beggars you might get bad karma (becasue of the > > > > > > > > misuse of that money by them), i have stopped giving money to all those > > > > > > > > road side beggars now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, in my mind i'm having a bad feeling for not giving them money > > > > > > > > whenever i see them asking me for alms. Again the thought of accruing > > > > > > > > unnecessary karma..is stopping me. Can you plese clarify which is a big > > > > > > > > sin / karma of these two. (karma of not giving alms to those beggars vs > > > > > > > > getting karma of their misuse). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Krishna Kanth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S: I totally agree with your point of the bad karma becuase of misuse of > > > > > > > > the money we donate, but this is putting in a fix with the thought that > > > > > > > > probably i'm not able to help the really needy guys (i typically only use > > > > > > > > to give money to very disabled and elderly people). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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