Element of Vayu and Pavak - Kriya Yoga and Homa !!!

[Guest guest]

Namaste Garu!

 

One questioning thought which is stuck in my mind which i wish to put it in

front of you & list.

 

Agni is purer then Vayu - this comparision statement is not very difficult to

accept.

 

BUT i am thinking about Yogis, who reached the truth by first holding on to the

silk thread (breath) which is the only available external link which connects

external and internal world contineously.

 

for example take a couple of cases such as Babaji and his leanage. Sri Sri

Ravishankar, Rishi Prabhakar and many such known and unknown.

these people (especially the first to names) advocated 'Kriya Yoga' in a very

big way. Paramhamsa Yogananada in his celebrated work 'The autobiography of a

yogi' categorically mention that Kriya Yoga is like a Jet Flight to reach the

truth in comparision to the other methods which are like bullock cart. he also

mentions that Kriya yoga was first taught by Krishna to Arjuna and then it was

lost in time and was again revived by Mahaavatar Bababji and passed on to Lahir

Mahashaya and the others.

It is claimed that Sri sri Ravishankar went in to deep silence for some 8 days

in the year 1980 and he came out with 'Sudarshan Kriya Yoga' for the world. he

started teaching that and now it is practised regularly by millions of people.

I know from my abstract experiences that Kriya yoga of Babaji and Sudarshan

kriya yoga by Sri Sri are essentially same. why i say that because one day i

yearningly prayed babaji for helping me to learn Kriya yoga and within a month i

learnt Sudarshan kriya by AOL accidently.

***

The point is that these people are advocating some or the other form of Kriya

yoga, Raja Yoga, Hathyoga etc.. for all of these initial base is external medium

which is Air (Vayu). I myself have done Sudarshan Kriya for some 2 years.

***

Babaji or Sri Sri or any other master (present day or ancient) have stressed on

this medium. they actually didn't advocate Agni for the masses (Though as i said

in prevous message that some have started advocating Homa of late). it is

obvious that they may not be oblivious of the fact that Agni is more purer

medium then air.

 

***

I Wish to have your views on this whole subject.

 

yours spiritually,

 

Utpal

[Guest guest]

Namaste Utpal

 

Good Question?

 

Why compare Apple and an Orange. They are two distinctly different items.

Any path practised sincerely under the guidance of a siddha gurudev

leads to end place, and once reaching there everything is alike.

 

What path one gets attracted to and make progress depends on the constituent

sanskars that person has, accumulated over many past lives.

 

All paths are equal having their own pros and cons.

Kriya Yoga is very effective in doing Nadi Shudi, the first step, along with

this one needs to practise Vaivhar Shuddi - good conduct.

 

I am not sure about Sri Sri's sudarshan kriya, but babaji's kriya yoga had 10 or

so different kriya, which were taught to the sadhak one after other as he made

progress, these kriyas can be also termed as pranayams or yogic breathing

technics.

 

But as one progress eventually the Kundalini Shakti rises and it takes over and

that is what is called the Raja Yoga in Bhagvat Geeta.

 

Once Kundalini Shakti starts rising and does chakra bhadan, the sadhaka starts

to do interesting meditation, yoga, mantra in spontanous way, i.e he is not the

doer, he is just the observer to the play of shakti.

 

This leads to experiances that are not very easy to explain or describe.

 

Similarly doing Homam also, the path is slightly different as with control and

concentration on fire, one regulates internal fire and that is also the way.

 

The main benefit of fire is the impact on environment, it cleans up the

environment. Also their a sloka, from fire, we have smoke and it creates clouds

and clouds create rain and rain creats food, it supports the natural cycle.

 

These days we see a lot of people proposing Homams is due to the fact that we

have severly polluted our environment, global warming, water pollution etc.

Homams help in cleaning up the environment.

 

Why worry about air and fire, practice what suits your mind or practise both. do

kriya yoga in morning and homan in evening.

 

In my opionion an integrated systematic approach of

vyavhaar suddi, nadi suddhi, service or seva, mantra yoga, other forms of yoga,

bhajans and satsang is needed in these trying times to

get focused. One needs to constantly focus on his chitta and look at the

impurties and try to clean them using one or more of above techniques.

 

Best Regards

Mitesh

 

 

, " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Namaste Garu!

>

> One questioning thought which is stuck in my mind which i wish to put it in

front of you & list.

>

> Agni is purer then Vayu - this comparision statement is not very difficult to

accept.

>

> BUT i am thinking about Yogis, who reached the truth by first holding on to

the silk thread (breath) which is the only available external link which

connects external and internal world contineously.

>

> for example take a couple of cases such as Babaji and his leanage. Sri Sri

Ravishankar, Rishi Prabhakar and many such known and unknown.

> these people (especially the first to names) advocated 'Kriya Yoga' in a very

big way. Paramhamsa Yogananada in his celebrated work 'The autobiography of a

yogi' categorically mention that Kriya Yoga is like a Jet Flight to reach the

truth in comparision to the other methods which are like bullock cart. he also

mentions that Kriya yoga was first taught by Krishna to Arjuna and then it was

lost in time and was again revived by Mahaavatar Bababji and passed on to Lahir

Mahashaya and the others.

> It is claimed that Sri sri Ravishankar went in to deep silence for some 8 days

in the year 1980 and he came out with 'Sudarshan Kriya Yoga' for the world. he

started teaching that and now it is practised regularly by millions of people.

> I know from my abstract experiences that Kriya yoga of Babaji and Sudarshan

kriya yoga by Sri Sri are essentially same. why i say that because one day i

yearningly prayed babaji for helping me to learn Kriya yoga and within a month i

learnt Sudarshan kriya by AOL accidently.

> ***

> The point is that these people are advocating some or the other form of Kriya

yoga, Raja Yoga, Hathyoga etc.. for all of these initial base is external medium

which is Air (Vayu). I myself have done Sudarshan Kriya for some 2 years.

> ***

> Babaji or Sri Sri or any other master (present day or ancient) have stressed

on this medium. they actually didn't advocate Agni for the masses (Though as i

said in prevous message that some have started advocating Homa of late). it is

obvious that they may not be oblivious of the fact that Agni is more purer

medium then air.

>

> ***

> I Wish to have your views on this whole subject.

>

> yours spiritually,

>

> Utpal

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mitesh,

 

I appreciate you knowledge in various branches. what you said about integrated

approach is also suitable for some or many. Even i am thinking of doing

Sudarshan kriya in front of Homa fire but it is not happening.

 

My question was rather academic and out of curiosity. i am not really worried

about air or fire or something else. actually i am not worried of anything in

life.

I have done Sudarshan Kriya, PadmaSadhana, Hariom Pranaayam etc... Taught by

AOL, and now doing Homam, i realized that when the work of one tool is done, if

one is sincere, one is automatically lead to the next tool for further progress.

 

I am not aware of Kriya yoga as it is taught by society founded by ParamaHansa

Yogananda. and actually now i don't desire to know that. I read many a books in

last 4/5 years and now it seems that they have done their job and hence i have

no inclination to read any book now. what i am interested now is the internal

transformation and Sadhana for that. not much interested in intellectual

discussions also but some time one get in to that.

All the knowledge of Mahavakya and Theory of Kundalini Shakti etc.. are of no

use unless it is experienced and that is what now interests me.

 

I think now i have found my Guru and Narasimha's instructions are the one on

which i wish to settle down with all my faith but before that i need to clear

every question that arises.

 

Warm Regards,

 

Utpal

 

 

 

 

, " m540i98 " <m540i98 wrote:

>

> Namaste Utpal

>

> Good Question?

>

> Why compare Apple and an Orange. They are two distinctly different items.

> Any path practised sincerely under the guidance of a siddha gurudev

> leads to end place, and once reaching there everything is alike.

>

> What path one gets attracted to and make progress depends on the constituent

sanskars that person has, accumulated over many past lives.

>

> All paths are equal having their own pros and cons.

> Kriya Yoga is very effective in doing Nadi Shudi, the first step, along with

this one needs to practise Vaivhar Shuddi - good conduct.

>

> I am not sure about Sri Sri's sudarshan kriya, but babaji's kriya yoga had 10

or so different kriya, which were taught to the sadhak one after other as he

made progress, these kriyas can be also termed as pranayams or yogic breathing

technics.

>

> But as one progress eventually the Kundalini Shakti rises and it takes over

and that is what is called the Raja Yoga in Bhagvat Geeta.

>

> Once Kundalini Shakti starts rising and does chakra bhadan, the sadhaka starts

to do interesting meditation, yoga, mantra in spontanous way, i.e he is not the

doer, he is just the observer to the play of shakti.

>

> This leads to experiances that are not very easy to explain or describe.

>

> Similarly doing Homam also, the path is slightly different as with control and

concentration on fire, one regulates internal fire and that is also the way.

>

> The main benefit of fire is the impact on environment, it cleans up the

environment. Also their a sloka, from fire, we have smoke and it creates clouds

and clouds create rain and rain creats food, it supports the natural cycle.

>

> These days we see a lot of people proposing Homams is due to the fact that we

have severly polluted our environment, global warming, water pollution etc.

Homams help in cleaning up the environment.

>

> Why worry about air and fire, practice what suits your mind or practise both.

do kriya yoga in morning and homan in evening.

>

> In my opionion an integrated systematic approach of

> vyavhaar suddi, nadi suddhi, service or seva, mantra yoga, other forms of

yoga, bhajans and satsang is needed in these trying times to

> get focused. One needs to constantly focus on his chitta and look at the

impurties and try to clean them using one or more of above techniques.

>

> Best Regards

> Mitesh

>

>

> , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Garu!

> >

> > One questioning thought which is stuck in my mind which i wish to put it in

front of you & list.

> >

> > Agni is purer then Vayu - this comparision statement is not very difficult

to accept.

> >

> > BUT i am thinking about Yogis, who reached the truth by first holding on to

the silk thread (breath) which is the only available external link which

connects external and internal world contineously.

> >

> > for example take a couple of cases such as Babaji and his leanage. Sri Sri

Ravishankar, Rishi Prabhakar and many such known and unknown.

> > these people (especially the first to names) advocated 'Kriya Yoga' in a

very big way. Paramhamsa Yogananada in his celebrated work 'The autobiography of

a yogi' categorically mention that Kriya Yoga is like a Jet Flight to reach the

truth in comparision to the other methods which are like bullock cart. he also

mentions that Kriya yoga was first taught by Krishna to Arjuna and then it was

lost in time and was again revived by Mahaavatar Bababji and passed on to Lahir

Mahashaya and the others.

> > It is claimed that Sri sri Ravishankar went in to deep silence for some 8

days in the year 1980 and he came out with 'Sudarshan Kriya Yoga' for the world.

he started teaching that and now it is practised regularly by millions of

people.

> > I know from my abstract experiences that Kriya yoga of Babaji and Sudarshan

kriya yoga by Sri Sri are essentially same. why i say that because one day i

yearningly prayed babaji for helping me to learn Kriya yoga and within a month i

learnt Sudarshan kriya by AOL accidently.

> > ***

> > The point is that these people are advocating some or the other form of

Kriya yoga, Raja Yoga, Hathyoga etc.. for all of these initial base is external

medium which is Air (Vayu). I myself have done Sudarshan Kriya for some 2 years.

> > ***

> > Babaji or Sri Sri or any other master (present day or ancient) have stressed

on this medium. they actually didn't advocate Agni for the masses (Though as i

said in prevous message that some have started advocating Homa of late). it is

obvious that they may not be oblivious of the fact that Agni is more purer

medium then air.

> >

> > ***

> > I Wish to have your views on this whole subject.

> >

> > yours spiritually,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

>

[Guest guest]

||Om||

Dear Utpal,

Namaste.

Shubaste Panthanah!

Best wishes for the journey you have started.

I can see you are on suitable path to your goal, Guru remains now the most

important link.

 

Best regards,

Himanshu Mohan

 

, " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Namaste Mitesh,

>

> I appreciate you knowledge in various branches. what you said about integrated

approach is also suitable for some or many. Even i am thinking of doing

Sudarshan kriya in front of Homa fire but it is not happening.

>

> My question was rather academic and out of curiosity. i am not really worried

about air or fire or something else. actually i am not worried of anything in

life.

> I have done Sudarshan Kriya, PadmaSadhana, Hariom Pranaayam etc... Taught by

AOL, and now doing Homam, i realized that when the work of one tool is done, if

one is sincere, one is automatically lead to the next tool for further progress.

>

> I am not aware of Kriya yoga as it is taught by society founded by ParamaHansa

Yogananda. and actually now i don't desire to know that. I read many a books in

last 4/5 years and now it seems that they have done their job and hence i have

no inclination to read any book now. what i am interested now is the internal

transformation and Sadhana for that. not much interested in intellectual

discussions also but some time one get in to that.

> All the knowledge of Mahavakya and Theory of Kundalini Shakti etc.. are of no

use unless it is experienced and that is what now interests me.

>

> I think now i have found my Guru and Narasimha's instructions are the one on

which i wish to settle down with all my faith but before that i need to clear

every question that arises.

>

> Warm Regards,

>

> Utpal

>

>

>

>

> , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Utpal

> >

> > Good Question?

> >

> > Why compare Apple and an Orange. They are two distinctly different items.

> > Any path practised sincerely under the guidance of a siddha gurudev

> > leads to end place, and once reaching there everything is alike.

> >

> > What path one gets attracted to and make progress depends on the constituent

sanskars that person has, accumulated over many past lives.

> >

> > All paths are equal having their own pros and cons.

> > Kriya Yoga is very effective in doing Nadi Shudi, the first step, along with

this one needs to practise Vaivhar Shuddi - good conduct.

> >

> > I am not sure about Sri Sri's sudarshan kriya, but babaji's kriya yoga had

10 or so different kriya, which were taught to the sadhak one after other as he

made progress, these kriyas can be also termed as pranayams or yogic breathing

technics.

> >

> > But as one progress eventually the Kundalini Shakti rises and it takes over

and that is what is called the Raja Yoga in Bhagvat Geeta.

> >

> > Once Kundalini Shakti starts rising and does chakra bhadan, the sadhaka

starts to do interesting meditation, yoga, mantra in spontanous way, i.e he is

not the doer, he is just the observer to the play of shakti.

> >

> > This leads to experiances that are not very easy to explain or describe.

> >

> > Similarly doing Homam also, the path is slightly different as with control

and concentration on fire, one regulates internal fire and that is also the way.

> >

> > The main benefit of fire is the impact on environment, it cleans up the

environment. Also their a sloka, from fire, we have smoke and it creates clouds

and clouds create rain and rain creats food, it supports the natural cycle.

> >

> > These days we see a lot of people proposing Homams is due to the fact that

we have severly polluted our environment, global warming, water pollution etc.

Homams help in cleaning up the environment.

> >

> > Why worry about air and fire, practice what suits your mind or practise

both. do kriya yoga in morning and homan in evening.

> >

> > In my opionion an integrated systematic approach of

> > vyavhaar suddi, nadi suddhi, service or seva, mantra yoga, other forms of

yoga, bhajans and satsang is needed in these trying times to

> > get focused. One needs to constantly focus on his chitta and look at the

impurties and try to clean them using one or more of above techniques.

> >

> > Best Regards

> > Mitesh

> >

> >

> > , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste Garu!

> > >

> > > One questioning thought which is stuck in my mind which i wish to put it

in front of you & list.

> > >

> > > Agni is purer then Vayu - this comparision statement is not very difficult

to accept.

> > >

> > > BUT i am thinking about Yogis, who reached the truth by first holding on

to the silk thread (breath) which is the only available external link which

connects external and internal world contineously.

> > >

> > > for example take a couple of cases such as Babaji and his leanage. Sri Sri

Ravishankar, Rishi Prabhakar and many such known and unknown.

> > > these people (especially the first to names) advocated 'Kriya Yoga' in a

very big way. Paramhamsa Yogananada in his celebrated work 'The autobiography of

a yogi' categorically mention that Kriya Yoga is like a Jet Flight to reach the

truth in comparision to the other methods which are like bullock cart. he also

mentions that Kriya yoga was first taught by Krishna to Arjuna and then it was

lost in time and was again revived by Mahaavatar Bababji and passed on to Lahir

Mahashaya and the others.

> > > It is claimed that Sri sri Ravishankar went in to deep silence for some 8

days in the year 1980 and he came out with 'Sudarshan Kriya Yoga' for the world.

he started teaching that and now it is practised regularly by millions of

people.

> > > I know from my abstract experiences that Kriya yoga of Babaji and

Sudarshan kriya yoga by Sri Sri are essentially same. why i say that because one

day i yearningly prayed babaji for helping me to learn Kriya yoga and within a

month i learnt Sudarshan kriya by AOL accidently.

> > > ***

> > > The point is that these people are advocating some or the other form of

Kriya yoga, Raja Yoga, Hathyoga etc.. for all of these initial base is external

medium which is Air (Vayu). I myself have done Sudarshan Kriya for some 2 years.

> > > ***

> > > Babaji or Sri Sri or any other master (present day or ancient) have

stressed on this medium. they actually didn't advocate Agni for the masses

(Though as i said in prevous message that some have started advocating Homa of

late). it is obvious that they may not be oblivious of the fact that Agni is

more purer medium then air.

> > >

> > > ***

> > > I Wish to have your views on this whole subject.

> > >

> > > yours spiritually,

> > >

> > > Utpal

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Utpal,

 

There are many paths. They are all different, but all are valid paths. But

each comes with different strengths and weaknesses.

 

Homam requires external substances that need to be acquired and used. By

god's grace, many of us can afford to do it and we do it. But it is not

affordable to all. Can a poor person with not much to eat do a homam

everyday? Even if homam is done on a very small scale, it still requires

atleast half a coconut and some ghee. That costs money. One can buy some

food with that money!

 

But the strength of homam is that nobody is at risk with it. Even one with

very bad vaasanas and not supervised by a capable guru will only benefit

from homam. As one performs it everyday, one's vasanas will be purified one

by one. There is no risk of fall.

 

Raja yoga practices need your body and air that is available everywhere

freely. It is far simpler and easier and everyone can afford it.

 

However, it is not risk free. If one is eating saattwik food in limited

amounts, leading a saattwik lifestyle, has good control over mind and the

air being breathed is pure and a guru is available to save if energy rises

and becomes uncontrollable, then raja yoga and hatha yoga practices will

work. If one of these is lacking, one can run into problems.

 

These are not just my words. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, who mastered various

spiritual paths (including various sects of Hinduism, Christianity, Islam,

jnaana yoga, bhakti yoga, karma yoga and raja yoga), told his sishyas that

raja yoga and hatha yoga are risky in this age.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

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-

" utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

 

Friday, March 06, 2009 1:05 AM

Element of Vayu and Pavak - Kriya Yoga and Homa !!!

 

> Namaste Garu!

>

> One questioning thought which is stuck in my mind which i wish to put it

> in front of you & list.

>

> Agni is purer then Vayu - this comparision statement is not very difficult

> to accept.

>

> BUT i am thinking about Yogis, who reached the truth by first holding on

> to the silk thread (breath) which is the only available external link

> which connects external and internal world contineously.

>

> for example take a couple of cases such as Babaji and his leanage. Sri Sri

> Ravishankar, Rishi Prabhakar and many such known and unknown.

> these people (especially the first to names) advocated 'Kriya Yoga' in a

> very big way. Paramhamsa Yogananada in his celebrated work 'The

> autobiography of a yogi' categorically mention that Kriya Yoga is like a

> Jet Flight to reach the truth in comparision to the other methods which

> are like bullock cart. he also mentions that Kriya yoga was first taught

> by Krishna to Arjuna and then it was lost in time and was again revived by

> Mahaavatar Bababji and passed on to Lahir Mahashaya and the others.

> It is claimed that Sri sri Ravishankar went in to deep silence for some 8

> days in the year 1980 and he came out with 'Sudarshan Kriya Yoga' for the

> world. he started teaching that and now it is practised regularly by

> millions of people.

> I know from my abstract experiences that Kriya yoga of Babaji and

> Sudarshan kriya yoga by Sri Sri are essentially same. why i say that

> because one day i yearningly prayed babaji for helping me to learn Kriya

> yoga and within a month i learnt Sudarshan kriya by AOL accidently.

> ***

> The point is that these people are advocating some or the other form of

> Kriya yoga, Raja Yoga, Hathyoga etc.. for all of these initial base is

> external medium which is Air (Vayu). I myself have done Sudarshan Kriya

> for some 2 years.

> ***

> Babaji or Sri Sri or any other master (present day or ancient) have

> stressed on this medium. they actually didn't advocate Agni for the masses

> (Though as i said in prevous message that some have started advocating

> Homa of late). it is obvious that they may not be oblivious of the fact

> that Agni is more purer medium then air.

>

> ***

> I Wish to have your views on this whole subject.

>

> yours spiritually,

>

> Utpal