Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Namaste Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where it ends with "||" ? Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. http://www.stutimandal.com/gif_devi/tantroktam_devisuktam.htm -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM Namaste, > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. * * * The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. * * * Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. * * * A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "m540i98" <m540i98 > <> Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > Namaste> > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter.> > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > times daily and that is enough.> > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > his biography.> > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > with reciting chandi paath. > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > maa as follows> > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link.> > Best Regards> Mitesh> > , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@. ..> > wrote:>>>> Namaste>> >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > Kunjika >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.>> >> -Regards>> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Namaste, i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta. My opinion to add Swaha as under: Add Swaha after - Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha, Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru, Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha. there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per how i recite. warm regards, utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > > Namaste >  > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with " | " or where it ends with " || " ? >  > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. >  > http://www.stutimandal.com/gif_devi/tantroktam_devisuktam.htm >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM > Namaste, >  > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it >  > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. >  > > *       *       * >  > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. >  > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. >  > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. >  > Similarly, one chanting a " powerful mantra " and a " normal mantra " will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. >  > *       *       * >  > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. >  > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? >  > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . >  > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. >  > *       *       * >  > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. >  > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- ----- > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- ----- >  > - > " m540i98 " <m540i98 > > <> > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra >  > Namaste > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter. > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > > times daily and that is enough. > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > > his biography. > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > > maa as follows > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link. > > > > Best Regards > > Mitesh > > > > , " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ ..> > > wrote: > >> > >> Namaste > >> > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > > Kunjika > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti. > >> > >> -Regards > >> Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 namaste, if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual. Warm Regards, utpal , " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak wrote: > > Namaste, > > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta. > > My opinion to add Swaha as under: > Add Swaha after - > Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha, > Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru, > Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha. > > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per > how i recite. > > warm regards, > > utpal > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@> > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste > >  > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with " | " or where > it ends with " || " ? > >  > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. > >  > > http://www.stutimandal.com/gif_devi/tantroktam_devisuktam.htm > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > >  > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it > >  > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. > >  > > > > *       *       * > >  > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > actually work. > >  > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > objects. > >  > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more > breathtaking view than the others. > >  > > Similarly, one chanting a " powerful mantra " and a " normal mantra " > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. > >  > > *       *       * > >  > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. > >  > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even > try? > >  > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > moola mantra (navaakshari) . > >  > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. > >  > > *       *       * > >  > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. > >  > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- -- > ----- > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- -- > ----- > >  > > - > > " m540i98 " <m540i98 > > > <> > > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > >  > Namaste > > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > atleast I > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, > instead > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > lighter. > > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are > wrong) a > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant > for 11 > > > times daily and that is enough. > > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has > written > > > his biography. > > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may > have done > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of > shree > > > maa as follows > > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there > is a link. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , " rajarshi14 " > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Namaste > > >> > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > fluent with > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > > > Kunjika > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > since in > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti. > > >> > > >> -Regards > > >> Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger./invite/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Thank you Utpalji. I was asking about Devi Suktam itself. As per Narasimhaji's advise I have told the person to carry on homas of devi suktam (which she is comfortable with) instead of anything else. I will check the Chandi homa manual. Thanks. The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Devi Suktam Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 10:50 AM namaste,if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual.Warm Regards,utpal, "utpal pathak" <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste,> > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta.> > My opinion to add Swaha as under:> Add Swaha after -> Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha,> Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru,> Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha.> > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per > how i recite.> > warm regards,> > utpal> > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > wrote:> >> > > > Namaste> >  > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where > it ends with "||" ?> >  > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam.> >  > > http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm> >  > > -Regards> >  Rajarshi> > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>> > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,> >  > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it> >  > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification.> >  > > > > *       *       *> >  > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > actually work.> >  > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > objects. > >  > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more > breathtaking view than the others.> >  > > Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times.> >  > > *       *       *> >  > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine.> >  > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even > try?> >  > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > moola mantra (navaakshari) .> >  > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too.> >  > > *       *       *> >  > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days.> >  > > Best regards,> > Narasimha> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> -----> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > tarpana> > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----> ----- > >  > > - > > "m540i98" <m540i98 >> > <>> > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM> > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> >  > Namaste> > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > atleast I > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, > instead > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > lighter.> > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are > wrong) a > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant > for 11 > > > times daily and that is enough.> > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has > written > > > his biography.> > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may > have done > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of > shree > > > maa as follows> > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there > is a link.> > > > > > Best Regards> > > Mitesh> > > > > > , "rajarshi14" > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > wrote:> > >>> > >> Namaste> > >> > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > fluent with > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > > > Kunjika > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > since in > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.> > >> > > >> -Regards> > >> Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > http://messenger. / invite/> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Namaste Rajarshi, Ooops! sorry for the misleading information. i went thro' the manual again. In the manual Narasimha has suggested following: [After kavacham, argala and keelakam, read " Ratri sooktam " without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add " swaahaa " at the end of each verse.] [ Then " Devi sooktam " may be read without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add " swaahaa " at the end of each verse ] The Reason for above is mentioned in the following foot note. [ Adding " swaahaa " in veda mantras may require changing the swaram (intonation) of the last few syllables of the mantra. Most people are unfamiliar with the relevant rules. Even some good priests end up reading the verse with the original swaram and simply add " swaahaa " . This is not correct. It is instead better to not add " swaahaa " and to read it as is and not make an offering. ] Warm Regards, utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Thank you Utpalji. I was asking about Devi Suktam itself. As per Narasimhaji's advise I have told the person to carry on homas of devi suktam (which she is comfortable with) instead of anything else. I will check the Chandi homa manual. Thanks. > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Devi Suktam > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 10:50 AM namaste, > > if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is > mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual. > > Warm Regards, > utpal > > , " utpal pathak " > <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta. > > > > My opinion to add Swaha as under: > > Add Swaha after - > > Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha, > > Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru, > > Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha. > > > > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per > > how i recite. > > > > warm regards, > > > > utpal > > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > >  > > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked > > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted > to > > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with " | " or > where > > it ends with " || " ? > > >  > > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. > > >  > > > http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm > > >  > > > -Regards > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > >  > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it > > >  > > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in > homam. > > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and > > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. > > >  > > > > > > *       *       * > > >  > > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > > actually work. > > >  > > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* > with > > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the > mind > > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal > > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways > (specific > > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in > the > > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > > objects. > > >  > > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has > > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path > > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a > > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top > > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is > > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a > more > > breathtaking view than the others. > > >  > > > Similarly, one chanting a " powerful mantra " and a " normal > mantra " > > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and > get > > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a > more > > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > > correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily > > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. > > >  > > > *       *       * > > >  > > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam > with > > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing > several > > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for > a > > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden > > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful > > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the > > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. > > >  > > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant > to > > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are > > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be > given > > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why > even > > try? > > >  > > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long > > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or > just > > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > > moola mantra (navaakshari) . > > >  > > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam > > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. > > >  > > > *       *       * > > >  > > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I > am > > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various > > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. > > >  > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- > -- > > ----- > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -- > -- > > ----- > > >  > > > - > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98 > > > > <> > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM > > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > >  > Namaste > > > > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > > atleast I > > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, > > instead > > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > > lighter. > > > > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are > > wrong) a > > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant > > for 11 > > > > times daily and that is enough. > > > > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone > has > > written > > > > his biography. > > > > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may > > have done > > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice > of > > shree > > > > maa as follows > > > > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there > > is a link. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > , " rajarshi14 " > > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Namaste > > > >> > > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > > fluent with > > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of > the > > > > Kunjika > > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > > since in > > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti. > > > >> > > > >> -Regards > > > >> Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger./?wm=n/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Namaste Adding "swaahaa" in veda mantras may require changing the swaram (intonation) of the last few syllables of the mantra. Mostpeople are unfamiliar with the relevant rules. Even some good priests end up reading the verse with the original swaram and simplyadd "swaahaa". This is not correct. It is instead better to not add "swaahaa" and to read it as is and not make an offering. So if someone is doing a homa of only the Devi Suktam, how to do? Or what to do? -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Devi Suktam Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 12:08 PM Namaste Rajarshi,Ooops! sorry for the misleading information. i went thro' the manual again. In the manual Narasimha has suggested following: [After kavacham, argala and keelakam, read "Ratri sooktam" without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add "swaahaa" at theend of each verse.][Then "Devi sooktam" may be read without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add "swaahaa" at the end of each verse]The Reason for above is mentioned in the following foot note.[Adding "swaahaa" in veda mantras may require changing the swaram (intonation) of the last few syllables of the mantra. Mostpeople are unfamiliar with the relevant rules. Even some good priests end up reading the verse with the original swaram and simplyadd "swaahaa". This is not correct. It is instead better to not add "swaahaa" and to read it as is and not make an offering.]Warm Regards,utpal, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Thank you Utpalji. I was asking about Devi Suktam itself. As per Narasimhaji' s advise I have told the person to carry on homas of devi suktam (which she is comfortable with) instead of anything else. I will check the Chandi homa manual. Thanks.> > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:> > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...>> Re: Devi Suktam> > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 10:50 AM> > > > > > > namaste,> > if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is > mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual.> > Warm Regards,> utpal> > , "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> > > > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta.> > > > My opinion to add Swaha as under:> > Add Swaha after -> > Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha,> > Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru,> > Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha.> > > > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per > > how i recite.> > > > warm regards,> > > > utpal> > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Namaste> > >  > > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked > > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted > to > > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or > where > > it ends with "||" ?> > >  > > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam.> > >  > > > http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm> > >  > > > -Regards> > >  Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>> > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,> > >  > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it> > >  > > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in > homam. > > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and > > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification.> > >  > > > > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > > actually work.> > >  > > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* > with > > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the > mind > > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal > > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways > (specific > > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in > the > > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > > objects. > > >  > > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has > > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path > > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a > > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top > > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is > > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a > more > > breathtaking view than the others.> > >  > > > Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal > mantra" > > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and > get > > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a > more > > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > > correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily > > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times.> > >  > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam > with > > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing > several > > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for > a > > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden > > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful > > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the > > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine.> > >  > > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant > to > > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are > > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be > given > > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why > even > > try?> > >  > > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long > > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or > just > > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > > moola mantra (navaakshari) .> > >  > > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam > > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too.> > >  > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I > am > > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various > > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days.> > >  > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----------> --> > -----> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----------> --> > ----- > > >  > > > - > > > "m540i98" <m540i98 >> > > <>> > > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM> > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> > >  > Namaste> > > > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > > atleast I > > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, > > instead > > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > > lighter.> > > > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are > > wrong) a > > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant > > for 11 > > > > times daily and that is enough.> > > > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone > has > > written > > > > his biography.> > > > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may > > have done > > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice > of > > shree > > > > maa as follows> > > > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there > > is a link.> > > > > > > > Best Regards> > > > Mitesh> > > > > > > > , "rajarshi14" > > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > > wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Namaste> > > >> > > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > > fluent with > > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of > the > > > > Kunjika > > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > > since in > > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.> > > >> > > > >> -Regards> > > >> Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/> Check out the all-new Messenger 9.0! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Namaste Rajarshi, Swaaha should be added where the line ends with "||" (It is also numbered). If one is chanting n times devi suktam in the homam, then vaushat is added at the end of the nth repitition. RegardsRavirajarshi nandy <rajarshi14To: Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59:09 PMRe: Devi Suktam Namaste Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where it ends with "||" ? Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Question on Kunjika StotraTuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM Namaste, > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. * * * The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. * * * Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. * * * A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "m540i98" <m540i98 > <> Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > Namaste> > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter.> > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > times daily and that is enough.> > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > his biography.> > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > with reciting chandi paath. > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > maa as follows> > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link.> > Best Regards> Mitesh> > , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@. ..> > wrote:>>>> Namaste>> >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > Kunjika >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.>> >> -Regards>> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Namaste Rajarshi, I just looked at the link that you provided for Devi Suktam. There are 2 versions of Devi Suktam, one tantric and the other vedic. Narasimhaji was suggesting Vedic Devi Sukta Homam which contains 8 verses. The text is available in Durga Saptasati by Geeta Press, after the nyasas that occur after 13 chapters.RegardsRavirajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59:09 PMRe: Devi Suktam Namaste Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where it ends with "||" ? Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Question on Kunjika StotraTuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM Namaste, > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. * * * The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. * * * Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. * * * A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "m540i98" <m540i98 > <> Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > Namaste> > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter.> > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > times daily and that is enough.> > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > his biography.> > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > with reciting chandi paath. > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > maa as follows> > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link.> > Best Regards> Mitesh> > , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@. ..> > wrote:>>>> Namaste>> >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > Kunjika >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.>> >> -Regards>> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Namaste Ravi Thank you for explaining. I have found the correct Devi Suktam. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Ravi Poruri <rporuri wrote: Ravi Poruri <rporuriRe: Devi Suktam Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:39 PM Namaste Rajarshi, I just looked at the link that you provided for Devi Suktam. There are 2 versions of Devi Suktam, one tantric and the other vedic. Narasimhaji was suggesting Vedic Devi Sukta Homam which contains 8 verses. The text is available in Durga Saptasati by Geeta Press, after the nyasas that occur after 13 chapters.RegardsRavi rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Monday, February 23, 2009 11:59:09 PMRe: Devi Suktam Namaste Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where it ends with "||" ? Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Question on Kunjika StotraTuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM Namaste, > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. * * * The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. * * * Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. * * * A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "m540i98" <m540i98 > <> Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > Namaste> > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter.> > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > times daily and that is enough.> > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > his biography.> > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > with reciting chandi paath. > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > maa as follows> > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link.> > Best Regards> Mitesh> > , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@. ..> > wrote:>>>> Namaste>> >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > Kunjika >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.>> >> -Regards>> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Sir, what you have shown in online Devi Suktam is Tantrik one. I think, Narsimhaji has mentioned about Vedokta dEVI --- On Tue, 2/24/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14Re: Devi Suktam Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 4:59 AM Namaste Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted to know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or where it ends with "||" ? Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> Re: Question on Kunjika StotraTuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM Namaste, > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in homam. On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. * * * The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to actually work. When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* with a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the mind constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways (specific to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in the universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various objects. There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a more breathtaking view than the others. Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal mantra" will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and get control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a more powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. * * * Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam with Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing several mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for a reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant to do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be given an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why even try? My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too long for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or just the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the moola mantra (navaakshari) . If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. * * * A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I am aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days.. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - "m540i98" <m540i98 > <> Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > Namaste> > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, atleast I > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, instead > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and lighter.> > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are wrong) a > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant for 11 > times daily and that is enough.> > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone has written > his biography.> > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may have done > with reciting chandi paath. > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice of shree > maa as follows> > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there is a link.> > Best Regards> Mitesh> > , "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@. ..> > wrote:>>>> Namaste>> >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very fluent with >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of the > Kunjika >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially since in >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti.>> >> -Regards>> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear Utpalji, please give me your mobile number just to listen to different intonations of Swahaa from you. I hope you are aware of this. This is really interesting. Ashwinbhai--- On Tue, 2/24/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Devi Suktam Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 6:38 AM Namaste Rajarshi,Ooops! sorry for the misleading information. i went thro' the manual again. In the manual Narasimha has suggested following: [After kavacham, argala and keelakam, read "Ratri sooktam" without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add "swaahaa" at theend of each verse.][Then "Devi sooktam" may be read without offering anything in the fire. Do not even add "swaahaa" at the end of each verse]The Reason for above is mentioned in the following foot note.[Adding "swaahaa" in veda mantras may require changing the swaram (intonation) of the last few syllables of the mantra. Mostpeople are unfamiliar with the relevant rules. Even some good priests end up reading the verse with the original swaram and simplyadd "swaahaa". This is not correct. It is instead better to not add "swaahaa" and to read it as is and not make an offering.]Warm Regards,utpal, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Thank you Utpalji. I was asking about Devi Suktam itself. As per Narasimhaji' s advise I have told the person to carry on homas of devi suktam (which she is comfortable with) instead of anything else. I will check the Chandi homa manual. Thanks.> > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:> > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...>> Re: Devi Suktam> > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 10:50 AM> > > > > > > namaste,> > if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is > mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual.> > Warm Regards,> utpal> > , "utpal pathak" > <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> > > > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta.> > > > My opinion to add Swaha as under:> > Add Swaha after -> > Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha,> > Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru,> > Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha.> > > > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as per > > how i recite.> > > > warm regards,> > > > utpal> > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > > wrote:> > >> > > > > > Namaste> > >  > > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had asked > > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted > to > > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with "|" or > where > > it ends with "||" ?> > >  > > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam..> > >  > > > http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. htm> > >  > > > -Regards> > >  Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote:> > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@>> > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste,> > >  > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it> > >  > > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in > homam. > > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra mantras and > > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification.> > >  > > > > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > > actually work.> > >  > > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* > with > > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the > mind > > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes internal > > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways > (specific > > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in > the > > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > > objects. > > >  > > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one has > > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a path > > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to a > > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the top > > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none is > > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a > more > > breathtaking view than the others.> > >  > > > Similarly, one chanting a "powerful mantra" and a "normal > mantra" > > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and > get > > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a > more > > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > > correct to think that things will happen automatically and easily > > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times..> > >  > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam > with > > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing > several > > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is for > a > > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be hidden > > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of powerful > > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to the > > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine.> > >  > > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are meant > to > > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you are > > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be > given > > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why > even > > try?> > >  > > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses).. If that is too long > > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or > just > > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > > moola mantra (navaakshari) .> > >  > > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a homam > > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too.> > >  > > > *       *       *> > >  > > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I > am > > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with various > > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days.> > >  > > > Best regards,> > > Narasimha> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----------> --> > -----> > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > tarpana> > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -----------> --> > ----- > > >  > > > - > > > "m540i98" <m540i98 >> > > <>> > > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM> > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra> > >  > Namaste> > > > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > > atleast I > > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart too, > > instead > > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > > lighter.> > > > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings are > > wrong) a > > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can chant > > for 11 > > > > times daily and that is enough.> > > > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone > has > > written > > > > his biography.> > > > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one may > > have done > > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice > of > > shree > > > > maa as follows> > > > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page there > > is a link.> > > > > > > > Best Regards> > > > Mitesh> > > > > > > > , "rajarshi14" > > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > > wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Namaste> > > >> > > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > > fluent with > > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of > the > > > > Kunjika > > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > > since in > > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is almost > > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti..> > > >> > > > >> -Regards> > > >> Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger. / invite/> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Dear AshwinBhai, My mobile no is +971 506528981. Hu to Garib Manas chhu! I am sending Mp3 file of 'Devi Sukta' recited by our world famous garu to your personal email. There are eight verses and after end of every verse, one needs to add swaha. Just listen to his intonations which will be much more correct then mine. i hope this will be delightful for you. Humble regards, utpal , Ashwin Rawal <a.rawal wrote: > > Dear Utpalji, please give me your mobile number just to listen to different intonations of Swahaa from you. I hope you are aware of this. This is really interesting. > Ashwinbhai > > --- On Tue, 2/24/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Devi Suktam > > Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 6:38 AM Namaste Rajarshi, > > Ooops! sorry for the misleading information. i went thro' the manual > again. > > In the manual Narasimha has suggested following: > > [After kavacham, argala and keelakam, read " Ratri sooktam " without > offering anything in the fire. Do not even add " swaahaa " at the > end of each verse.] > > [ > Then " Devi sooktam " may be read without offering anything in the > fire. Do not even add " swaahaa " at the end of each verse > ] > > The Reason for above is mentioned in the following foot note. > > [ > Adding " swaahaa " in veda mantras may require changing the swaram > (intonation) of the last few syllables of the mantra. Most > people are unfamiliar with the relevant rules. Even some good > priests end up reading the verse with the original swaram and simply > add " swaahaa " . This is not correct. It is instead better to not > add " swaahaa " and to read it as is and not make an offering. > ] > > Warm Regards, > utpal > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Thank you Utpalji. I was asking about Devi Suktam itself. As per > Narasimhaji' s advise I have told the person to carry on homas of > devi suktam (which she is comfortable with) instead of anything > else. I will check the Chandi homa manual. Thanks. > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ ...> > > Re: Devi Suktam > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 10:50 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaste, > > > > if you were asking about Devi Sukt, then the Addition of Swaha is > > mentioned in The Chandi Homa Manual. > > > > Warm Regards, > > utpal > > > > , " utpal pathak " > > <vedic_pathak@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > i think you meant Kunjika Stotra and not devi sukta. > > > > > > My opinion to add Swaha as under: > > > Add Swaha after - > > > Bhavet,Vaarchanam, Labhet, Paarvati, Muttamam, phutt Swaha, > > > Mahishaardini, Kurushwa Me, Namostute, Mantrarupini, Subhamkuru, > > > Namo Namah, Swaha, Kurushwame, Paarvati, Rodanam yatha. > > > > > > there are all the chances that i made mistakes here. it is as > per > > > how i recite. > > > > > > warm regards, > > > > > > utpal > > > > > > > > > , rajarshi nandy > <rajarshi14@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > >  > > > > Thank you for your explanation. The person for whom I had > asked > > > the question is comfortable with the devi shuktam. I just wanted > > to > > > know, where would the swaha come in the devi suktam. After every > > > line or after every two lines? Like where it ends with " | " or > > where > > > it ends with " || " ? > > > >  > > > > Here is a link for the online Devi suktam. > > > >  > > > > http://www.stutiman dal.com/gif_ devi/tantroktam_ devisuktam. > htm > > > >  > > > > -Regards > > > >  Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 24/2/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > > > > > > > Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 9:43 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > >  > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it > > > >  > > > > That is not a valid reason. Even a very powerful mantra can be > > > offered in homam. On the Vedic side, Rudra namakam and Gayatri > > > mantra are very very powerful mantras and they are offered in > > homam. > > > On the Tantrik side, Pratyangira mantra, Mahasudarsana mantra, > > > Paashupata mantra etc are very very powerful astra > mantras and > > > they are offered in homam. As these examples show, even very > > > powerful mantras can be offered in fire for amplification. > > > >  > > > > > > > > *       *       * > > > >  > > > > The power of powerful mantras is a mirage for most people. The > > > experience given by a mantra and the internal/external results > > > brought by a mantra vary from mantra to mantra. But, even with a > > > very powerful mantra, one needs to be ready for the mantra to > > > actually work. > > > >  > > > > When one is able to perfectly control the mind and *fill it* > > with > > > a mantra (i.e. no thoughts but the mantra reverberating in the > > mind > > > constantly), then one experiences the mantra. This perfect > > > absorption of self-awareness in the mantra then causes > internal > > > changes by the flow of energy internally in specific ways > > (specific > > > to the mantra) and that causes corresponding external changes in > > the > > > universe and corresponding karmic interactions between various > > > objects. > > > >  > > > > There may be thousands of paths to climb a mountain. Each path > > > takes one to a different spot atop the mountain. The view one > has > > > from the top may be different accordingly. One view may be more > > > breathtaking and amazing than another. However, one taking a > path > > > leading to a breathtaking view and one taking a path leading to > a > > > normal view both have to struggle on their paths and reach the > top > > > despite obstacles. Some paths may be slightly shorter, but none > is > > > too easy. All paths are difficult to walk, but some result in a > > more > > > breathtaking view than the others. > > > >  > > > > Similarly, one chanting a " powerful mantra " and a " normal > > mantra " > > > will both have to put in effort and overcome the weaknesses and > > get > > > control over mind. The power of the powerful mantra refers to a > > more > > > powerful experience after one succeeds with the mantra (more > > > breathtaking scenery on reaching the mountain top). It is not > > > correct to think that things will happen automatically and > easily > > > because one if chanting a powerful mantra 11 (or whatever) times. > > > >  > > > > *       *       * > > > >  > > > > Coming back to Rajarshi's question, I do not recommend homam > > with > > > Kunjika stotra. Kunjika stotra is a coded stotra containing > > several > > > mantras in coded form. It is not what it may seem to be. It is > for > > a > > > reason that Shiva tells Parvati that this prayer should be > hidden > > > like one's privates. It is weird that we are discussing such a > > > secretive mantra on a public forum. It is a collection of > powerful > > > mantras for specific prayogas that would be considered > > > raajasik/taamasik unless a realized soul without attachment to > the > > > actions is acting them out as an instrument of the Divine. > > > >  > > > > I see no point in wanting to do homam with it. If you are > meant > > to > > > do a homam with Kunjika stotra to stop the army of a country in > > > their tracks or kill someone or delude someone etc and if you > are > > > detached enough to carry it off successfully, then you will be > > given > > > an opportunity by nature to learn it and do it. Otherwise, why > > even > > > try? > > > >  > > > > My advice is to drop the idea of doing a homam with Kunjika > > > stotra. Just stick to saptashati (700 verses). If that is too > long > > > for you, try saptashloki (7 verses) or just the 4th chapter or > > just > > > the 11th chapter. Another option is to do a homam with just the > > > moola mantra (navaakshari) . > > > >  > > > > If one can pronounce the 8 verses of Devi sooktam well, a > homam > > > with Devi sooktam is a great idea too. > > > >  > > > > *       *       * > > > >  > > > > A few mails from the last couple of weeks are pending reply. I > > am > > > aware of it and will try to catch up. I am very busy with > various > > > things right now. Please do not resend the mails. If I have > > > something to say, I will send a reply in the next 10 days. > > > >  > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - > -- > > -- > > > ----- > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > homam > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > tarpana > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > net > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > nath.org > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- -------- - > -- > > -- > > > ----- > > > >  > > > > - > > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98 > > > > > <> > > > > Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:29 AM > > > > Re: Question on Kunjika Stotra > > > >  > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > Kunjika Shotram is a very powerful one, why do homan of it, > > > atleast I > > > > > have never heard anybody doing it but I am very ignonart > too, > > > instead > > > > > there is a Durga Sapta Slokas that may be more easier and > > > lighter. > > > > > > > > > > Only one Shri agaram bagaram baba (I am sure my spellings > are > > > wrong) a > > > > > disciple of swami muktananda has indicated that one can > chant > > > for 11 > > > > > times daily and that is enough. > > > > > > > > > > He seemed to be very realized and lived near Nasik, someone > > has > > > written > > > > > his biography. > > > > > > > > > > Kunjika Shortram one recites to overcome any mistakes one > may > > > have done > > > > > with reciting chandi paath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the way one can listen kunjika shotram in beautiful voice > > of > > > shree > > > > > maa as follows > > > > > > > > > > http://www.shreemaa .org/drupal/ node/1546, on this page > there > > > is a link. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > , " rajarshi14 " > > > <rajarshi14@ ..> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Namaste > > > > >> > > > > >> For someone who cannot speak sanskrit or is not even very > > > fluent with > > > > >> any of the Indian lnaguges, can such a person do a homa of > > the > > > > > Kunjika > > > > >> Stotra instead of the actual full Durgasaptasati. Specially > > > since in > > > > >> the beginning of the Kunjika, it says Kunjika path is > almost > > > > >> equivalent to Durgasaptasti. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Regards > > > > >> Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > http://messenger. / invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India > Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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