Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Namaste Janak Bhai, Probably final words from me as i just wanted to correct your misunderstanding. what Mitesh meant (if i understood correctly) was not about the sharing of knowledge but Sharing of Joyfullness. i don't think that he also will have any dispute about sharing of knowledge. don't correct me if i amnt wrong ;-) warm reagards, utpal , RJ <a_k_r_j wrote: > > Dear Mitesh and Friends, > > In view of Narasimha's mail in this connection and Mitesh's personal email to me, I will restrain from responding to this thread, except to make one request to Mitesh and one observation. Please bear with me. > > I request Mitesh to go through the exchange with Narasimha one more time with the hope that he will be able to see where the confusion has set in, in the first place. > > " When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of > joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non- > voluntaryly starts sharing it > > I am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of > the times. " > > I can write a very long response to this statement but instead, will just state that Narasimha has voluntarily and involuntarily shared his knowledge - his actions speak for itself, of that no one can have a shred of doubt, even his most ardent critic!! > > With this, I thank everyone for being patient through this exchange. > > Regards, > RJ > > > > --- On Wed, 2/18/09, m540i98 <m540i98 wrote: > > m540i98 <m540i98 > Re: Agni > > Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 10:12 AM Dear RJ > > Namaste > > Interesting, My goodness, what a mess! > > Dear RJ I suggest you need to be a silent reader in both priase and > lighter moments or exchange of disagreements, > > it really takes time :-)..... > > What good is observing Narasimha for long time ..... > > I am just kidding here, camn down! > > We are all grown ups we donot need to give gentle reminders to > ourselves and others... > > We need to enjoy the moment, be joyful, laugh atleast 20 times a day > and most important make others laugh too. We all need to be less > sensitive and more accomodating, this one is for me, be joyful in > pleasure and pain or praise and criticism. I am trying now to do this > and learning to be the best. > > Please you or others don't shoot miseales at me from whereever you > are :-) and please don't butt me too :-), I have one wife who does it > full time and I have no more quota in my karma bank balance to the > best of my knowledge, ouch it seems now that there may be more ... > > I am not going to be defensive but now I shall shed more light on > things for the benefit of all. > > When anyone does more sincere sadhana and is progressing, a state of > joyfullness engulfs that person internally and externally. He non- > voluntaryly starts sharing it > > I am afriad to state that atleast I fail to see in Narasimha many of > the times. > > I wanted to influence him indirectly about that and all of us, He and > all of us need to be more joyful and cheerful. Also we do a lot of > things mechanically like drinking water, taking shower etc. you know > what I mean. So all I was trying to influence indirectly to Narashima > that > for quoting shastras i.e. where the names are described one does not > need mother's direction, it is for the sake of completeness and it > also helps others if they want to do more research. One can always > describe their own experiance or teaching acquired from others. > > As Narasimha states our email exchange was confusing to him first and > his response to me, am not sure about others or you, more confusion > to .... > > Now I have added even more confusion, but I promise on this subject > it is the last one from my side. > > Have a joyful day. > Best Regards > Mitesh > > , " a_k_r_j " <a_k_r_j@ > wrote: > > > > Namaste Mitesh, > > > > I am sure you are not blaming Narasimha but your way of expression > > clearly shows that you are not familiar with his writings. I had > the > > good fortune of observing him and his writings for over a decade > now > > and I have seen no other person who is as crystal clear in his > > writings and who is as mindful of his responsibilities and who is > as > > etiquette as Narasimha is. He almost never answers unless he feels > > that what he is going to write is useful not only to the person who > > has asked the query but to many more. All his posts are very > > thorough, informative and I for one believe that not only the > people > > in this group but also others who will have the good fortune of > > seeing his posting in the future will benefit immensely from these > > postings on the net. When I look at the development and > > transformation that he has gone through in this period, it amazes > me > > to no end. Initially he was (of course still is) a scholar of Vedic > > astrology and later is developing in to a spiritual giant. In all > > these years, he has unselfishly contributed to whatever he takes up > > and made it a point to spread the knowledge all around for the > > benefit of the humanity in general. > > > > I know Narasimha will not appreciate this mail as it contains no > > valuable information for the seekers and it might sound as though I > > am praising him. My intention is not that, for I believe he has > risen > > above accolade. > > > > You can certainly make requests or even oppose/question his > writings > > and can extend other opinions that you may have, in a way that will > > not offend the members of the group. Particularly the paragraph " We > > eat… " is not at all in good taste, although Utpal has taken them as > > hilarious comments, which shows his magnanimity. It clearly shows > > your lack of understanding of the context and level of Narasimha's > > spiritual attainments. > > > > I have never written in support of anyone so far nor do I have the > > habit of participating in the discussions on the various groups. I > > have been a silent member, as many are, reading the wonderful > > writings of people like Narasimha and trying to learn from them. > > > > I hope I have not offended you with my comments, I just felt like > > butting in! I know Narasimha does not need support of anyone, much > > less from me:-) > > > > Regards, > > RJ > > > > , " m540i98 " <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rajarshi > > > > > > I am not blaming him. I saw the names and definitions and asked > him > > > for scriptural reference and he gave a very defensive answer that > > > created more confusion. These concepts were totally new to me so > I > > > thought for a while if he came up with terms and their > definitions. > > > > > > What I have requested him is not wrong or bad. When we write on > the > > > internet there is a wide audiance and we need to be careful and > not > > > give answers from how we feel in our heart only, heart is > important > > > but things like the above if had some scriptural reference than > it > > is > > > always better. > > > > > > We eat food, we take shower, we do a lot of things, we have > > > responsibilities and other things, we donot say then oh mother > told > > > me to do this or that. > > > > > > These postings here shall be there for a long period of time and > so > > > we should all endeavour to be more complete and provide > references > > if > > > there are any. > > > > > > I hope you understand my concerns and am not blaming him or > anyone > > > else. > > > Best Regards > > > Mitesh > > > > > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Mitesh > > > >  > > > > The Mandukya Upanish mentiones of the seven tongues of Agni. I > > just > > > did a google search. Also I had asked Narasimhaji for his views > on > > > the same, the mystical significnace. The explanations that > > > he gave, I feel were wonderful and can come either through > direct > > > sadhana or when you are told by someone who has realized it > through > > > sadhana. I don't think these explanations are there in such > details > > > in our scriptures. I was not really looking for scriptural > > > references. I understand and appreciate your views, but I feel it > > is > > > unfair to blame Narasimhaji in this regard. A sadhak does not > > > necessarily have to be scholar at all. > > > >  > > > > -Regards > > > >  Rajarshi > > > >  > > > > PS: Please don't misunderstand my intentions in replying to > your > > > mail. I just thought of clarifying. > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 16/2/09, m540i98 <m540i98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > m540i98 <m540i98@> > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > Monday, 16 February, 2009, 9:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Narasimha > > > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > Yes I am little disappointed, I did not expect this from you. I > > > feel > > > > that when we put things out on internet, they should be backed > up > > > > with appropriate reference and should try to stick to our > > > scriptures, > > > > as there is lot of depth. We can interpret them as per our > > > abilities > > > > and state that too. > > > > > > > > For one when information posted on internet, we donot know > when, > > > how > > > > and who will use the information. This leads to a lot of > > > > bastardization and eventually lead to wrong practices for the > > wrong > > > > reason. We practice many even today without understanding or if > > we > > > > need. > > > > > > > > Why coin new fancy names and definitions as there may already > be > > > > appropriate names and definitions in our scripture. > > > > > > > > You always question Pt Sanjay Rath and ask for source parampara > > or > > > > himself or other, I appreciate that. > > > > > > > > I hope you take this in a positive way. There a lot of good > > things > > > > that you have done and are trying to do, please keep it up and > as > > > > time goes on, you need to be more vigilant and careful. > > > > > > > > I recommend take some time to get your references straight and > > then > > > > share as that would also improve the quality greatly. If you > > donot > > > > have time, give pointers to others to research and come up. > > > > Collabrating is always good. > > > > > > > > Why do you want to share something and tell please accept it > with > > a > > > > pinch of salt, types of agni, we definately should have > > definition > > > in > > > > black and white. > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > > > <pvr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > > puran? > > > > > > > > > > I may disappoint some with this answer, but I have to be > honest. > > > > > > > > > > I am not aware of the specific external source of some things > I > > > > know. I know > > > > > some things because I heard from a person or read in a book > and > > > > hence I can > > > > > identify the external source of that knowledge. But some > > > knowledge > > > > just > > > > > comes from inside and I am not really sure of the source. > This > > > one > > > > is like > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, there are no guarantees that what I know, from > > outside > > > > or from > > > > > within, is correct. So please take what I write with a pinch > of > > > > salt. > > > > > > > > > > I always remind people that I am not much of a scholar and > > merely > > > a > > > > dumb > > > > > servant of my guru and Mother. What *they* give me, from > > outside > > > or > > > > from > > > > > within, I merely share with others. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > - > > > > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > homam > > > > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ > > > tarpana > > > > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. > net > > > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org > > > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > nath.org > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ --- > - > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " m540i98 " <m540i98@ > > > > > > <> > > > > > Sunday, February 15, 2009 12:38 PM > > > > > Re: Agni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha > > > > > > Good Post, Thanks for the definitions > > > > > > What is the source of the definition of fire, is it agni > > puran? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Mitesh > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. > Rao " > > > <pvr@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Namaste friends, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> You ask a very good question. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Agni is the element of transformation. It symbolizes > > absorbing > > > > and > > > > > > digesting experiences. As you make offerings in fire and > they > > > > burn in > > > > > > fire, various spiritual experiences are processed and > > digested > > > by > > > > > > your internal fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Tongue is that which allows one to taste things that one > is > > > going > > > > > > to accept inside and digest. Each tongue of fire stands for > a > > > > spirit > > > > > > that controls how you absorb spiritual experiences. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The seven tongues of Agni are: Kaali, Karaali, Manojava, > > > > Sulohita, > > > > > > Sudhoomra-Varna, Sphulingini, and Vishwaruchi. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Kaali is the dark and black/blue fire. It symbolizes the > > > spirit > > > > of > > > > > > detachment. Spirit of detachment controls how you absorb > your > > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Karaali is the monstrous, dreadful fire that looks like a > > wide > > > > open > > > > > > mouth. Spirit of attachment and desire controls how you > > absorb > > > > your > > > > > > experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Manojava is the swiftly moving, flickering and unstable > > flame. > > > > > > Spirit of wavering (could also be flexibility) controls how > > you > > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that > tongue > > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sulohita is the (copper like) dark red color flame. Spirit > of > > > > > > determination and strength controls how you absorb your > > > > experiences, > > > > > > when you are offering in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sudhoomra-Varna is the greyish/purple/ smoke-colored fire. > > > Spirit > > > > of > > > > > > confusion (could also be resolution of confusion) controls > > how > > > you > > > > > > absorb your experiences, when you are offering in that > tongue > > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sphulingini is the fire with sparks. Spirit of aggression > > and > > > > haste > > > > > > (could also be a great intuition/insight) controls how you > > > absorb > > > > > > your experiences, when you are offering in that tongue of > > fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Vishwaruchi is the bright fire. Spirit of focus, knowing, > > > being > > > > and > > > > > > bliss controls how you absorb your experiences, when you > are > > > > offering > > > > > > in that tongue of fire. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> As you keep performing homam and a relationship is formed > > > between > > > > > > you and fire, the external fire in the homa kundam will > > reflect > > > > your > > > > > > internal fire. When your mind is well-focused and blissful, > > the > > > > fire > > > > > > will automatically burn bright. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The state of your mind will decide how you will taste the > > > > spiritual > > > > > > experiences you are going to absorb from around you. That > in > > > turn > > > > > > decides which tongues (tasting agents) of your internal > fire > > are > > > > > > receiving food right now. That in turn decides which > tongues > > of > > > > the > > > > > > external fire are receiving offerings right now. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> The external fire is a mirror to your internal state. An > > adept > > > > may > > > > > > be able to detect, looking at the fire, which tongues of > fire > > > are > > > > > > active right now and hence guess the state your mind is in. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> * * * > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Of course, trying to pay too much attention to this > > > technicality > > > > > > and becoming over-conscious of the nature of fire is > > unneeded. > > > > Though > > > > > > external can be used to manipulate the internal (within > some > > > > limits), > > > > > > it can become a distraction. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Whether internal follows external or external follows > > internal > > > a > > > > > > invalid question. The reality is that the two change > together. > > > > > > Neither is the cause and neither is the effect. They just > > happen > > > > > > together. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Without thinkiing much, just make offerings in the fire > with > > > the > > > > > > *firm belief* that god is in fire. The rest will happen > > > > > > automatically. It may take time, but it will happen by > itself. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Best regards, > > > > > >> Narasimha > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- > -- > > - > > > - > > > > - > > > > > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst > rologer.org/ > > > homam > > > > > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > > > > >> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > > > > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. > home.comcast. > > > net > > > > > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst > > > rologer.org > > > > > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan > > > nath.org > > > > > >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --- --- > -- > > - > > > - > > > > - > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ > > > > > > >> <> > > > > > >> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 8:13 AM > > > > > >> Agni > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Namaste > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > What do the seven " tongues " of Agni mean? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > -Regards > > > > > >> > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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